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I Agree with David Pollack
« on: October 07, 2013, 02:30:20 PM »
I usually think he's a douche.  Well, I think he's a douche even in this clip, but I agree with what he had to say.

I might have added in - "If there is a woman out there who has coached or played at the collegiate level, then I would be okay with her being on the committee." 

The playoff committee isn't a budget team.  It's not an ethics convention.  It's a group of people who are going to decide which four teams are the best football teams in the country.  When picking those teams, I'd hope that the decisions are based primarily on on-the-field reasons and nothing else. 

Of course he's in hot water over this. 

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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 03:21:50 PM »
Twitter is piling on drunk ol' Pat Dye as well. Except he's spot on.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/10/pat_dye_on_condoleeza_rice_all.html
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Pat Dye on Condoleezza Rice: 'All she knows about football is what somebody told her'

Matt Scalici | mscalici@al.com

on October 07, 2013 at 1:51 PM

After reports that former Secretary of State and Alabama native Condoleezza Rice would be a member of the upcoming College Football Playoff selection committee, several columnists and analysts criticized the choice, questioning Rice's football credentials.

Former Auburn head coach Pat Dye joined those ranks on Monday when he criticized the addition of Rice to the committee on WJOX morning show The Opening Drive.

"All she knows about football is what somebody told her," Dye said. "Or what she read in a book, or what she saw on television. To understand football, you've got to play with your hand in the dirt."

"I love Condoleezza Rice and she's probably a good statesman and all of that but how in the hell does she know what it's like out there when you can't get your breath and it's 110 degrees and the coach asks you to go some more?"

Dye also said that the he feels addition of Rice to the committee could make the selection process less about Xs and Os and more about personal relationships.

"That goes back to politics. Which one she likes the best. Which one's the smoothest talker. The game is played on the field."

Listen to Dye's full interview from WJOX's.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 03:54:41 PM »
"No puss for you!"
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 04:36:28 PM »
Here's the thing. The same people losing their shit over this on Twitter are the same people that never in a million years be saying this about Donald Rumsfeld, or Dick Cheney, or any other male member of the Bush White House that never played a down of football in their lives, and never had any professional association with analyzing the game.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 04:49:42 PM »
Dennis Dodd trolling like hell now.

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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 05:09:44 PM »
The emotional rhetoric coming out of this proves his point.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 11:53:23 PM »
If you have to have played an actual down of football to be on the committee, then 99% of the sports writers and talking heads that we listen to all season are not qualified.

I think she would do a helluva job.  She is a student of the game, and a brilliant person.  For Pat Dye or anyone else to say you have to have personally owned a sweaty jock strap to understand what it takes to be a champion, then they are full of shit.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 12:49:22 AM »
If you have to have played an actual down of football to be on the committee, then 99% of the sports writers and talking heads that we listen to all season are not qualified.

I think she would do a helluva job.  She is a student of the game, and a brilliant person.  For Pat Dye or anyone else to say you have to have personally owned a sweaty jock strap to understand what it takes to be a champion, then they are full of shoot.

I think she's a dumbass and will suck.  Agree with Dye that her decisions will be based on emotion and which uniforms she likes best. 

What makes you think she's a "student of the game?" 

There's a HELLUVA difference between being smart and being football smart.  And yeah, you have to have played or coached to understand that.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 09:35:02 AM »
What makes you think she's a "student of the game?" 

Because she's a huge bama fan.  Nothing says football smarts more than that.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2013, 09:47:57 AM »
If you have to have played an actual down of football to be on the committee, then 99% of the sports writers and talking heads that we listen to all season are not qualified.

I think she would do a helluva job.  She is a student of the game, and a brilliant person.  For Pat Dye or anyone else to say you have to have personally owned a sweaty jock strap to understand what it takes to be a champion, then they are full of shit.

I 100% agree, which means I would not advocate any sports writers or talking heads from being on the committee.

She can have a valid opinion to espouse on ESPN's College Gameday all she wants.  Any man, woman, or child can go on a radio show and discuss what they think about college football.

But this is like picking Bill Gates to be a gymnastics judge in the Olympics.  He's a high profile guy.  Very successful.  Very smart.  Surely he can offer a valid and innovative opinion on which athlete performed the best tumbling routine. 

I played high school football.  I worked in the Auburn athletic department and sat in on a few meetings between the coaches and players.  I watched the break down game film.  I attended practices.  I read message boards and watch ESPN.  I talk to my friends about football.  I give my opinion all the time about Auburn games and games going on around the country.  I critique play calls and question decisions made by the coaches.  I analyze talent and state who will be a good NFL player and who won't be.  I do all of the things a football fanatic does, and I would never consider myself qualified to choose who should be in the playoff and who should not be. 

I watched a video not too long ago of Nick Saban breaking down the Rip/Liz defense, and I could barely keep up with the jargon.  I sure as hell wouldn't be able to identify that defense on the field.  I can tell if I'm watching closely enough if the secondary is in man or zone.  I can tell if someone blitzes.  I can tell if the d-line runs a stunt.  But I can't pick up on proper technique as the plays are happening.  If I watched game film in slow motion, I may be able to guess at what players are doing right and wrong. 

But guys playing D-1 football see all of that instantly.  When I was at Auburn practices, I loved watching Coach Dunn.  They'd run a play, and he would instantly start roaring at players to fix this and that about their technique and fundamentals.  He could just see it at live speed.

Former players and coaches can and have seen things on the football field that I don't have the experience to understand.  And because of that, those are the type of people who should choosing who gets into the playoff.  Not someone who would be a great spokesperson or one who can handle the politics.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 10:05:30 AM »
If you have to have played an actual down of football to be on the committee, then 99% of the sports writers and talking heads that we listen to all season are not qualified.

I think she would do a helluva job.  She is a student of the game, and a brilliant person.  For Pat Dye or anyone else to say you have to have personally owned a sweaty jock strap to understand what it takes to be a champion, then they are full of shit.
If she's a "student of the game" then so am I, everyone on this board, and about 50 million other football fans out there.

Here's Pat Dye blasting Mike Leach for having never played the game:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/462135-mike-leach-disses-tide-pat-dye-defends-whattt

Has zero to do with gender.

I would be more inclined to agree that having actually played the game of football is not necessarily a requirement for understanding it. But it certainly helps.

More importantly, making your living off of analyzing or anything in the realm of college football would be a plus for anyone given this much power for deciding who gets into a 4 team playoff.

Donald Rumsfeld played football at Princeton. In spite of this, he too is not qualified for this position. Same goes for any member of the Bush white house. Or Obama's. Unless they were also ESPN analysts on the side.

For the record, I doubt Dye would have made a comment like this if, say, Erin Andrews had been selected. She still wouldn't be at the top of my list, but I'd put her up there a billion times before a former secretary of State. For the same reasons I don't think Pat Dye is qualified to hold that office.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 10:08:19 AM »
Well that's cause Pat Dye can't spare the time to be on some panel. 

He is too busy running the AU athletic department.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 11:31:17 AM »
  I read message boards


That should disqualify anybody.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 01:36:23 PM »

That should disqualify anybody.

You know what else should disqualify anybody?

Being a Finebaum listener.  According to Finebaum, when he met Condi Rice, she talked to him about specific callers on his show as if she was a listener. 
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2013, 01:48:05 PM »
You know what else should disqualify anybody?

Being a Finebaum listener.  According to Finebaum, when he met Condi Rice, she talked to him about specific callers on his show as if she was a listener.

If she listened it was because she needed to be reminded of what rednecks really were.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2013, 02:37:59 PM »
I would be horrible on this committee.

There would only be one team eligible every year for all four spots.

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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2013, 02:50:56 PM »
I would be horrible on this committee.

There would only be one team eligible every year for all four spots.

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And so will whoever they choose, The screams of homerism will be very loud. Why don't they let ESPN choose the judges, they could be:

Lou Holtzzzzzzssssss-That way ND is always in the top four.
Nick Saban- They him suck him off so much.
Jenna Jameson-If your going to have a female at least make it interesting.
Stuart Scott: That crazy fucking eye would drive everybody crazy.
Keith Olbermann: Since nobody is going to like the panel anyway have somebody on there that is easy to hate.
Joe Schad: Can't have a board without at least one male who doesn't know jack shit.

I am sure there are more.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2013, 03:34:58 PM »
What does it matter?  They'll put whomever ESPN pimps from start to finish.  They are CLEARLY...CLEARLY the 4 best teams out there.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2013, 05:54:04 PM »
Okay, I don't see why some are making a big deal about Condi possibly being on the committee. She sure the heck has experience in being in a room full of people who can't agree on shit and would probably be the least likely, of the names mentioned, to show bias. Isn't that what we want out this committee? If you put former players, coaches, and ADs on this committee, then you are looking at a board full of biased members. We all know that media members tend to be bias, despite many saying they are not. So, I ask how do we put non-biased members on the selection committee? Should it be made up of people that have no ties to football and can just look at numbers to come up with a final four? Should it be made up of only people who are students of the game and what qualifies them as such? Only those that at least played or coached at the collegiate level? Hell, including myself, I bet 90% of this board believes they have the qualifications to be able to pick the top 4 teams at the end of the year.

We finally get some semblance of a playoff system and now we can't agree who is qualified to be on the selection committee.
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Re: I Agree with David Pollack
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2013, 06:13:06 PM »
Okay, I don't see why some are making a big deal about Condi possibly being on the committee. She sure the heck has experience in being in a room full of people who can't agree on shoot and would probably be the least likely, of the names mentioned, to show bias. Isn't that what we want out this committee? If you put former players, coaches, and ADs on this committee, then you are looking at a board full of biased members. We all know that media members tend to be bias, despite many saying they are not. So, I ask how do we put non-biased members on the selection committee? Should it be made up of people that have no ties to football and can just look at numbers to come up with a final four? Should it be made up of only people who are students of the game and what qualifies them as such? Only those that at least played or coached at the collegiate level? Hell, including myself, I bet 90% of this board believes they have the qualifications to be able to pick the top 4 teams at the end of the year.

We finally get some semblance of a playoff system and now we can't agree who is qualified to be on the selection committee.

She has no qualifications.

It would be like putting a gymnast on the panel to select the Oscar nominees.  Or turning Sasquatch loose to pick best rock album at the Grammys. 

It's stupid to put her gap-tooth mug on there.

On top of that, her only God-bless't reference to college football at ALL is sitting around with Deddy listening to Bear Freaking Bryant.  Jesus.

I know more about EVERYTHING than 95% of all ya'll.  And I wouldn't put myself on that committee.
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