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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 08:57:37 AM »
Why?
All he did was reinforce that the Alabama "compliance" department snuffed ol' Tom out.  Oh, and he threw in a few Cam shots to boot.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 09:08:46 AM »
Why?
All he did was reinforce that the Alabama "compliance" department snuffed ol' Tom out.  Oh, and he threw in a few Cam shots to boot.

Yeah because it's easy to believe Cam knew his daddy was a cheater.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 09:13:55 AM »
If the NCAA really had teeth, they could simply drive through campus parking lots of all major schools and identify what football players drive. I would bet my house that the vehicle values would be significantly more for football players vs non players. It won't happen. They don't want to know.

They can't police it and they don't want to police it. The only easier job than with the NCAA has to be some government jobs.

But, it's Friday. Don't be messin with my mo Jo. I got it working.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2013, 09:21:48 AM »
Why?
All he did was reinforce that the Alabama "compliance" department snuffed ol' Tom out.  Oh, and he threw in a few Cam shots to boot.
I suppose you're talking about this:

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It's easy to believe that Manziel didn't sign all those items out of the goodness of his heart and neither did those Alabama players. It's just as easy to believe that Newton must've known his dad discussed a pay-for-play deal with a former Mississippi State player to try to get him to sign with the Bulldogs.

Personally, I don't give a fuck if Cam got paid.  He could come out right now and say that he did, and it doesn't mean shit.  It's football, so it doesn't really effect my real life.  However, if I told you that AJ McCarron's dad was shopping him around to teams, but AJ didn't have a clue it was going on, would you believe me?  Would you believe that Alabama didn't pay him during that bidding war?  Fuck.  No.  You guys would be all over it.  You call it a "shot", but some people call it logic. 

I don't believe that these "bidding wars" are going on en masse.  Too many people involved, and when you throw kids in the mix (who tend to get pissed off at the drop of a hat, and tend to have loose lips when pissed), shit is going to come out.  Plus, if you believe the Prowlers of the world, some of these schools are paying everybody.  Use the aTm kid for example, who says he was offered up to $650,000 by other schools.  If you're offering money like that to half of your class, you're talking big bucks.  I have a hard time believing that schools are shelling this type of money out.  If you're paying half of that to 10 kids a year, you're talking $3 million.  Is the school shelling out that money?  No.  Coaches?  No.  Do you think that the same group of boosters is shelling out that type of money every single year?  No.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 09:46:33 AM »
I suppose you're talking about this:

Personally, I don't give a fuck if Cam got paid.  He could come out right now and say that he did, and it doesn't mean shit.  It's football, so it doesn't really effect my real life.  However, if I told you that AJ McCarron's dad was shopping him around to teams, but AJ didn't have a clue it was going on, would you believe me?  Would you believe that Alabama didn't pay him during that bidding war?  Fuck.  No.  You guys would be all over it.  You call it a "shot", but some people call it logic. 

I don't believe that these "bidding wars" are going on en masse.  Too many people involved, and when you throw kids in the mix (who tend to get pissed off at the drop of a hat, and tend to have loose lips when pissed), shit is going to come out.  Plus, if you believe the Prowlers of the world, some of these schools are paying everybody.  Use the aTm kid for example, who says he was offered up to $650,000 by other schools.  If you're offering money like that to half of your class, you're talking big bucks.  I have a hard time believing that schools are shelling this type of money out.  If you're paying half of that to 10 kids a year, you're talking $3 million.  Is the school shelling out that money?  No.  Coaches?  No.  Do you think that the same group of boosters is shelling out that type of money every single year?  No.
You say bidding war...but the only thing that EVER came out in regard to that situation was that his dad actually talked to someone "affiliated" with MSU about money.  Who else offered?  Wouldn't there have to be a second offer to be considered a "bidding war"?
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 09:55:20 AM »
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 10:35:14 AM »
You say bidding war...but the only thing that EVER came out in regard to that situation was that his dad actually talked to someone "affiliated" with MSU about money.  Who else offered?  Wouldn't there have to be a second offer to be considered a "bidding war"?
Beat me to it. The "shopped around" meme is flat out wrong and fabricated. There never was, never has been, and never will be any formal allegation of "shopping around" outside of the blogosphere. How that phrase became part and parcel to the Newton saga is beyond me, and one I take great issue with.

Not to beat a dead horse, but. Let me get this off my chest.

Let's start from the beginning.

In case you forgot, when the bomb dropped that Cecil Newton sought payment for Cam to play, that was a MSU whistle blower claiming that MSU boosters had conversations with Cecil about paying for Cam to play there.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5818428

Auburn never implicated. "Shopping around" was never mentioned. It was an MSU problem.

Every other school that recruited Newton, including Stoops at OU, said that there were no irregularities in his recruitment.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/bob-stoops-on-recruiting-cam-newton-didnt-notice-anything/1#.UgEDldifiM0

This is the "smoking gun" and where the axiom that Cecil "shopped around" originated. The big "confession of guilt".

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/sports/exclusive-cam-newtons-dad-admits-money-talks-says-/nD9hG/
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Exclusive: Cam Newton's Dad Admits Money Talks, Says Source

A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player's father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about **the possibility** of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football **at Mississippi State**, though he's steadfastly maintained that **no money ever changed hands** and said no **official** at Mississippi State ever made such an offer.

According to Winne’s source, Cecil Newton said his son’s hands are clean, and has made it clear that Cam Newton himself and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn University, with whom the Westlake High School grad from College Park eventually signed with out of junior college.

Winne’s source, who acknowledged sympathies on the Newton side of things, said the player and both parents have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with the NCAA, beyond even the financial records turned over by the family, and from churches Cecil Newton oversees.

The infamous source even states that no money ever changed hands, Auburn never had anything to do with it anyway, and that Cecil and his church's financial records were voluntarily handed over from day one. The NCAA, FBI, and every investigative journalist in the country found NOTHING. Any assumption that Cecil initiated these conversations, are not only pure speculation, but they are contradictory to the facts of what is known to have taken place.

Any logical person interested in facts can see that MSU offered to pay. Cecil, to a fault, considered the offer, and then took the moral high road and refused the offer. That's the start, middle, and end of this story.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 10:39:44 AM »
Any logical person interested in facts can see that MSU offered to pay. Cecil, to a fault, considered the offer, and then took the moral high road and refused the offer. That's the start, middle, and end of this story.

And also the only story which makes sense with the popular "the money is too much" quote. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2013, 10:45:52 AM »
And also the only story which makes sense with the popular "the money is too much" quote.
Don't tell that to anyone deadset that Auburn is guilty as sin.

I had a drunken barfight with a corndog I work with over this.

It was met with super sarcastic "Oh. Yeah. THAT'S what he meant by that."

Again, looking objectively it makes 100x more sense than "The money was too much"...at Auburn and so I had to take their higher offer.

Of course, "the money was too much" became "the money was too good" through the accusatory game of telephone.

Let alone the fact that that quote itself is from an anonymous source. No one has ever heard the alleged recording of it.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 12:22:00 PM »
You say bidding war...but the only thing that EVER came out in regard to that situation was that his dad actually talked to someone "affiliated" with MSU about money.  Who else offered?  Wouldn't there have to be a second offer to be considered a "bidding war"?
Poor analogy on my part, but you understand what I'm saying.  It's all in the eye of the beholder.  If you take out Cam and Auburn, and replace it with Alabama and any Alabama player, your opinion would change.  Guilty, guilty, guilty, and the NCAA is in Alabama's pocket if they find different.  The opinion of about 80% of the Alabama fanbase would change as well.  Oh, it's just a big misunderstanding.  He didn't know his dad was doing that. 

So much stupid shit happens nowadays, I don't even worry about it.  Things get so fabricated, twisted, and spun by fans on the internet, I leave it to those in the right places that know what the fuck is going on to judge the situation.   
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2013, 12:38:15 PM »
I leave it to those in the right places that know what the fudge is going on to judge the situation.   
This would be us and not you. We got skreetz biatch.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2013, 01:21:34 PM »
I just laugh at these people and say, "If I had known it only took $180,000 to buy a MNC, I would have sent in a bigger check"!

They have nothing left to argue then!
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2013, 03:53:33 PM »
I just laugh at these people and say, "If I had known it only took $180,000 to buy a MNC, I would have sent in a bigger check"!

They have nothing left to argue then!
As you should.  That shit was 3 years ago.  Which brings us to a bigger problem that people can't separate what is supposed to be a fun football world, and real life.  I'm an Alabama fan, and I hardly wear any Alabama gear because somebody is going to walk up to me when I'm out in public with my family and act stupid.  My wife especially mocks me when it is another Alabama fan.  Alabama fans want to come up and ask for stupid opinions, LSU and Auburn fans want to talk shit.  It is very seldom that another fan of any fanbase has something intelligent or rational to say down here.  I can count on one hand the number of Alabama, Auburn, and Tennessee fans that I know that you can rationally discuss football with.

Maybe I'm just an asshole and hate everybody, I don't know. 
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2013, 04:23:58 PM »

Maybe I'm just an asshole and hate everybody, I don't know.
Hey now. I'm sure you don't hate everybody.  :rimshot:
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2013, 07:32:57 PM »
Poor analogy on my part, but you understand what I'm saying.  It's all in the eye of the beholder.  If you take out Cam and Auburn, and replace it with Alabama and any Alabama player, your opinion would change.  Guilty, guilty, guilty, and the NCAA is in Alabama's pocket if they find different.  The opinion of about 80% of the Alabama fanbase would change as well.  Oh, it's just a big misunderstanding.  He didn't know his dad was doing that. 

So much stupid shit happens nowadays, I don't even worry about it.  Things get so fabricated, twisted, and spun by fans on the internet, I leave it to those in the right places that know what the fuck is going on to judge the situation.   
Well if the NCAA director of enforcement was an Auburn grad and the headman was on a first name basis with Auburn's HC then I might buy in. I'll tell you this though, it pisses me off that every team but ONE in the SECw (feel free to guess who) has either been investigated, placed on probation, or faced NCAA penalties since UAT began their run.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2013, 08:28:06 PM »
I'll tell you this though, it pisses me off that every team but ONE in the SECw (feel free to guess who) has either been investigated, placed on probation, or faced NCAA penalties since UAT began their run.
I'm just not seeing some big, huge conspiracy against the rest of the SEC West.  Emmert was the Chancellor at LSU while Saban was there.  So, why would he allow LSU to be involved in anything? 

LSU -- The only thing that LSU has had in recent memory was connected to the Willie Lyles thing.  The Lyles scandal was focused on Oregon, and an LSU assistant was only implicated in it because of the Oregon investigation.   

AU -- Auburn was involved in the Cam investigation for obvious reasons; his dad admitted that he was soliciting cash from MSU boosters.  They had to check Auburn out.  Even though it doesn't fix all the rumor and bullshit spouted by rival fans, the NCAA deemed Auburn clear of any wrongdoing.

MSU -- MSU was involved in the Cam investigation for obvious reasons; it was their booster who was talking money with Dad.  How the fuck do you not investigate them?  They have been implicated in numerous other violations as well, I would guess, because of the NCAA poking around about Cam.

Ole Miss -- They haven't been under any investigations, but a 5 star kid that committed to MSU was recently interviewed by the NCAA about his Ole Miss recruitment.  Apparently the kid was a big deal to those two schools.  It probably didn't help that in January, Hugh Freeze gave out an e-mail address at a press conference for any and everybody to e-mail tips of possible Ole Miss infractions to.  An e-mail address that received 85 tips within a week.

Arkansas -- They actually were released from probation in October 2012, after being on probation for 5 years and being labeled as a double-repeat violator.
 
aTm -- No idea how the Manziel/Autograph thing got started.  I'm not sure if anybody has even said. 
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2013, 10:39:14 PM »
I'm just not seeing some big, huge conspiracy against the rest of the SEC West.  Emmert was the Chancellor at LSU while Saban was there.  So, why would he allow LSU to be involved in anything? 

LSU -- The only thing that LSU has had in recent memory was connected to the Willie Lyles thing.  The Lyles scandal was focused on Oregon, and an LSU assistant was only implicated in it because of the Oregon investigation.   

AU -- Auburn was involved in the Cam investigation for obvious reasons; his dad admitted that he was soliciting cash from MSU boosters.  They had to check Auburn out.  Even though it doesn't fix all the rumor and bullshit spouted by rival fans, the NCAA deemed Auburn clear of any wrongdoing.

MSU -- MSU was involved in the Cam investigation for obvious reasons; it was their booster who was talking money with Dad.  How the fuck do you not investigate them?  They have been implicated in numerous other violations as well, I would guess, because of the NCAA poking around about Cam.

Ole Miss -- They haven't been under any investigations, but a 5 star kid that committed to MSU was recently interviewed by the NCAA about his Ole Miss recruitment.  Apparently the kid was a big deal to those two schools.  It probably didn't help that in January, Hugh Freeze gave out an e-mail address at a press conference for any and everybody to e-mail tips of possible Ole Miss infractions to.  An e-mail address that received 85 tips within a week.

Arkansas -- They actually were released from probation in October 2012, after being on probation for 5 years and being labeled as a double-repeat violator.
 
aTm -- No idea how the Manziel/Autograph thing got started.  I'm not sure if anybody has even said.
And yet with all the shit flying around UAT the last few years where is the NCAA? Sitting in Indy with their thumb up their ass. Seriously, wtf would have to happen for the NCAA to show up on UAT's doorstep? Players with broke ass parents riding around in 10-20k vehicles? Nope. Players signing shit tons of autographs for a guy who is also using those same players to advertise on his webpage? Nope. Players going out to eat with boosters on their birthdays? Nope. Players tweeting about getting paid? Nope.

You can call it a conspiracy theory if you want but you can't tell me that if all this shit were going down at Auburn the NCAA wouldn't be atleast wanting to do some interviews/investegating.
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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2013, 12:00:16 AM »
And yet with all the shit flying around UAT the last few years where is the NCAA? Sitting in Indy with their thumb up their ass. Seriously, wtf would have to happen for the NCAA to show up on UAT's doorstep? Players with broke ass parents riding around in 10-20k vehicles?
Which players' families are broke?  What kind of cars are they driving? Based on their income (that I guess somehow you know), what kind of vehicle should they be able to afford?  What year or newer should a vehicle be to be considered out of a typical college player's reach?  Should they all drive around 1988 Honda Civics?  I'm sure all of the Auburn players are. Shucks, I bet they all ride on their bicycles from the 8th grade.  Certainly none of them would drive a Charger, or a Yukon.

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Nope. Players signing shit tons of autographs for a guy who is also using those same players to advertise on his webpage? Nope. Players going out to eat with boosters on their birthdays? Nope.
I agree with you here.

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Players tweeting about getting paid? Nope.
So, you don't believe his explanation that his Twitter was hacked.  OK.  Because it TOTALLY makes sense for him to get on there, right before the draft, and talk about how he got paid.  After years of knowing not to.  He just couldn't help but tell everybody.  But hey, Dakota Mosley flashing all that cash.....I'm sure he has a rich grandmother or something.  Holla. 


Oh, and that ex-Auburn player that went on HBO and admitted he got paid?  A bunch of sour grapes, I tell ya.


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Re: Kevin Scarbinsky should use the elevator for a while...
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2013, 12:12:46 AM »
Drunk, but not only is he referring to the Fluker tweet, which couldconceivably have been a hack (as convenient ad that'll be...but also Dee "StruggleOverWit" Liner who tweeted that the first day he reported was a payday. With pics included.

Also, that Mosley pic was from before AU even recruited him.
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