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Big Brother IS watching
« on: August 01, 2013, 01:47:36 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/google-pressure-cookers-backpacks-visit-feds-140900667.html

Michele Catalano was looking for information online about pressure cookers. Her husband, in the same time frame, was Googling backpacks. Wednesday morning, six men from a joint terrorism task force showed up at their house to see if they were terrorists. Which begs the question: How'd the government know what they were Googling?


Catalano (who is a professional writer) describes the tension of that visit.

[T]hey were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked. ...
Have you ever looked up how to make a pressure cooker bomb? My husband, ever the oppositional kind, asked them if they themselves weren’t curious as to how a pressure cooker bomb works, if they ever looked it up. Two of them admitted they did.

The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. Among them: the FBI and Homeland Security.


Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans — although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?


It's possible that one of the two of them is tangentially linked to a foreign terror suspect, allowing the government to review their internet activity. After all, that "no more than two other people" ends up covering millions of people. Or perhaps the NSA, as part of its routine collection of as much internet traffic as it can, automatically flags things like Google searches for "pressure cooker" and "backpack" and passes on anything it finds to the FBI.


Or maybe it was something else. On Wednesday, The Guardian reported on XKeyscore, a program eerily similar to Facebook search that could clearly allow an analyst to run a search that picked out people who'd done searches for those items from the same location. How those searches got into the government's database is a question worth asking; how the information got back out seems apparent.


It is also possible that there were other factors that prompted the government's interest in Catalano and her husband. He travels to Asia, she notes in her article. Who knows. Which is largely Catalano's point.

They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing. I don’t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I’m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

One hundred times a week, groups of six armed men drive to houses in three black SUVs, conducting consented-if-casual searches of the property perhaps in part because of things people looked up online.

But the NSA doesn't collect data on Americans, so this certainly won't happen to you.
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Re: Big Brother IS watching
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 01:48:56 PM »
Well, congress voted last week to let this shit continue unimpeded so....
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 02:05:59 PM »
Well, congress voted last week to let this shit continue unimpeded so....

Well I am officially about to start googling a bunch of stuff.
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 02:14:07 PM »
My wife was googling pressure cookers the other night.   Will the brown shirts show up at my door or do I have to search for backpacks as well?
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 02:20:07 PM »
Well I am officially about to start googling a bunch of stuff.

Don't worry if what you have googled to date hasn't brought them to your door nothing will.   

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2013, 02:21:12 PM »
Don't worry if what you have googled to date hasn't brought them to your door nothing will.   



I think that's a different department that handles that.
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2013, 02:37:34 PM »
My wife was googling pressure cookers the other night.   Will the brown shirts show up at my door or do I have to search for backpacks as well?

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2013, 02:48:10 PM »
Just search for The Turner Diaries and watch the fun ensue.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2013, 03:19:52 PM »
Because of this article, hundreds of people will start googling pressure cooker and backpack.

If the DHS jackboots have to interview everyone who does this, they will need to hire a shitload more people.

If they have to hire a shitload more people, unemployment drops.

Obama - that sneaky genius bastard...  IT'S PART OF THE PLAN!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2013, 03:42:32 PM »
Because of this article, hundreds of people will start googling pressure cooker and backpack.

If the DHS jackboots have to interview everyone who does this, they will need to hire a shitload more people.

If they have to hire a shitload more people, unemployment drops.

Obama - that sneaky genius bastard...  IT'S PART OF THE PLAN!!!!

I look to hear the tromp of their boots any moment.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2013, 04:04:22 PM »
I just hope they don't come asking questions about gerbils and PVC pipe. Can you make a bomb out of that? I know someone who was researching Richard Gheyer and gerbiling.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 04:16:14 PM »
Ok, so here's a hypothetical question...

Let's say a bunch of Americans get all pissed off after reading this and hit Google simultaneously and search for every possible trigger word, individually and in combination. 

Turnerdiariespressurecookerbombbackpackterrorismallahbostonpartridgeinapeartree

If the Jackboots know we looked up those words, they will also know we read this article.

If we did this in a protest, how long before someone decides to criminalize or otherwise penalize folks for "deliberately perpetuating a false Google Search"?  Like filing a false police report or misuse of the 9-1-1 system or an unintentional home alarm report.  Resources have to be expended to investigate anyone who sets off this trigger, and if it turns out to be bullshit, like the task force guy admitted was 99% of the time, then how long before you get fined for that, just like the fine you pay in Houston if your cat sets off the motion detector in your home and the alarm company dispatches the cops to a false alarm.

I get that this sounds like something Bottomshitbreather would write, but my mind is pondering the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely and it is scary as shit...
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 04:18:00 PM »
I just hope they don't come asking questions about gerbils and PVC pipe. Can you make a bomb out of that? I know someone who was researching Richard Gheyer and gerbiling.

Felching with a gerbil.  ARMAGEDDON

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2013, 04:18:58 PM »
Felching with a gerbil.  ARMAGEDDON

The Google search it took you to find that video is gonna cost you a visit... from whom, I have no idea, but someone...
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 04:24:01 PM »
The Google search it took you to find that video is gonna cost you a visit... from whom, I have no idea, but someone...

I look to hear the tromp of their boots any moment.

Srsly, I had forgotten about that video.  I had the laffing tears.  ARMAGEDDON
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2013, 04:25:38 PM »
Felching with a gerbil.  ARMAGEDDON



Your computer history I would like to see. #winning
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2013, 04:27:49 PM »
Your computer history I would like to see. #winning

My God man.  It's The Muppets
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2013, 04:29:58 PM »
I look to hear the tromp of their boots any moment.

Get off my kool aid
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2013, 04:32:50 PM »
Get off my kool aid

All up in my kool aid and you don't even know what flavor it is.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2013, 04:35:02 PM »
All up in my kool aid and you don't even know what flavor it is.

you just put your pants on one leg at a time, they just happen to be cherry.
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