New Era

[Kaos]

I make those kind of statements every year. 

I've been wrong a few times (Chris Todd) and I've been right a few more (Kodi Burns, Turtle Moseley).

If Frazier starts the hurt is deep.  He's the cocoa panda.  He has zero guts, zero leadership ability, zero confidence and zero ability to run an offense.  Less than zero charisma. 

We'd be better off running the Notre Dame box than ever putting that puffy penguin in there.  We'd be better with Inspector Clouseau under center. Or Richard Simmons. Or Barry Manilow.

[JR4AU]

So, judge Frazier based on his Freshman season when he attempted around 5 passes for the season and then when he had to learn a system that he'd never played in, unless you count PeeWee Ball (btw, I'm not sure what type of system parkball teams ran in Arkansas)? Okay.
IMO, he became "shell shocked" around mid season, which is around the time he lost all faith in the horrible play from the OL. I'm not saying that he's going to be Chris Todd 2009, but once a QB losses faith in the OL...they begin looking for the blitz, which is exactly what we saw last season in Kheil Frazier.

I love this time of year because the season is a few weeks away from kicking off and I also hate this time of year because just about every single year someone will say, "If so & so starts, at whatever position, then we're going to suck ass and blow dicks...we'll be lucky to win 2-3 games"....eventhough they haven't seen how that certain player or players have progressed, they're going off of what they did last season...eventhough we have a brand new staff, including the strength and conditioning staff, we have a brand new determination, plus the offense that's here has all the pieces that it needs to be successful (because that same offense was here two years ago, the players are still here that fit that offense).

IMO, with Frazier starting 6-7 wins, with Marshall starting 7-8 wins (not counting the bowl game).

I agree that this staff will put this bunch of players in the best position to be successful.  They will be improved in many areas you mentioned.  At the end of the day though, there's a great lack of talent on defense overall, and a great lack of talent at the most key position on the field on offense...QB, and the talent we do have on offense is largely unproven such at WR, or needs time to develop, and I don't mean half a season of trial by fire in games.  I mean OL that need 2 or more years of growth, weight training and conditioning to realize their potential.  I think at the end of the season, these kids will have won the game they're supposed to win.  I just don't think they're going to be supposed to win very many.   

[auburnredwing]

So, judge Frazier based on his Freshman season when he attempted around 5 passes for the season and then when he had to learn a system that he'd never played in, unless you count PeeWee Ball (btw, I'm not sure what type of system parkball teams ran in Arkansas)? Okay.
IMO, he became "shell shocked" around mid season, which is around the time he lost all faith in the horrible play from the OL. I'm not saying that he's going to be Chris Todd 2009, but once a QB losses faith in the OL...they begin looking for the blitz, which is exactly what we saw last season in Kheil Frazier.

I love this time of year because the season is a few weeks away from kicking off and I also hate this time of year because just about every single year someone will say, "If so & so starts, at whatever position, then we're going to suck ass and blow dicks...we'll be lucky to win 2-3 games"....eventhough they haven't seen how that certain player or players have progressed, they're going off of what they did last season...eventhough we have a brand new staff, including the strength and conditioning staff, we have a brand new determination, plus the offense that's here has all the pieces that it needs to be successful (because that same offense was here two years ago, the players are still here that fit that offense).

IMO, with Frazier starting 6-7 wins, with Marshall starting 7-8 wins (not counting the bowl game).

Are you insane?  Even with that same crappy offensive line Wallace was still trying to make plays, while Frazier was folding like a cheap suit.

[The Prowler]

Are you insane?  Even with that same crappy offensive line Wallace was still trying to make plays, while Frazier was folding like a cheap suit.

Did you miss the part where I stated that Frazier was "shell shocked"? He had given up all hope and trust for the Offensive Line and I don't blame him one bit. Now, regarding Wallace, he showed me that he had the desire to win the game regardless of how bad the OL was getting gang raped...while Frazier was a shell of himself, he'd lost all confidence in himself, most of that is on him but part of that blame goes to one of the worst OL in Auburn history and Coach Loeffler.

As far as talent goes, oh we have the talent...at every single position the just need to be molded & coached correctly like mandatory strength & conditioning, strict discipline & hard as a mutha fucka coaching.

Also, it ALL starts up front on both sides of the ball...it ALL starts up front. If you have a weak OL that can't get a push against Samford's DL, you're going to have a weak offense. If you have a weak DL that can't get a push against anyone, you're going to have a weak defense. If someone would've told me that Coach Chizik never made strength & conditioning mandatory, I would've said bullshit.
Btw, that still fuckin pisses me off, how the fuck do you expect your team to be able to go up against the Powerhouses in the SEC?!?!?!?

Anyway, we do have the talent...they just need to be molded/coached correctly. Yesterday's full scrimmage, making the QB live with all blitzes legal is a huge step in the right direction. Btw, tackling was done by taking players to the ground, minus Cameron Artis-Payne...he ran everyone over.

[jmar]

Did you miss the part where I stated that Frazier was "shell shocked"? He had given up all hope and trust for the Offensive Line and I don't blame him one bit. Now, regarding Wallace, he showed me that he had the desire to win the game regardless of how bad the OL was getting gang raped...while Frazier was a shell of himself, he'd lost all confidence in himself, most of that is on him but part of that blame goes to one of the worst OL in Auburn history and Coach Loeffler.

As far as talent goes, oh we have the talent...at every single position the just need to be molded & coached correctly like mandatory strength & conditioning, strict discipline & hard as a mutha fucka coaching.

Also, it ALL starts up front on both sides of the ball...it ALL starts up front. If you have a weak OL that can't get a push against Samford's DL, you're going to have a weak offense. If you have a weak DL that can't get a push against anyone, you're going to have a weak defense. If someone would've told me that Coach Chizik never made strength & conditioning mandatory, I would've said bullshit.
Btw, that still fuckin pisses me off, how the fuck do you expect your team to be able to go up against the Powerhouses in the SEC?!?!?!?

Anyway, we do have the talent...they just need to be molded/coached correctly. Yesterday's full scrimmage, making the QB live with all blitzes legal is a huge step in the right direction. Btw, tackling was done by taking players to the ground, minus Cameron Artis-Payne...he ran everyone over.

The undoing of Frazier's confidence started with Chizik not allowing him to function freely within the HUNH in 2010. I wrongly blamed Gus but it became more apparent in 2011 that Chizik's meddling approach was at fault. Even Trotter's brief mop-up duty was better prep for the coming season over the handcuffing the true freshman endured with rumblings that he couldn't throw.

Fast forward through the excrement (toss in some Zeke Pike) and we get Wallace stepping into a failed system and bringing in a sinking ship. I like this kid, how could anyone not?

I don't know if Marshall is any better than a more seasoned Tyrik Rollinson (never laid eyes on either one) but it's not a given that the highly rated JUCO player can just assume the position over Frazier and Wallace. And that's why it will not surprise me if Johnson doesn't redshirt. There are simply too many unknowns at this point.

I do think this staff will put our best on the field and we might see a combination of QBs within the system even though we want only one leader at the controls. So do Malzahn and Lashlee.




       

[The Six]

Raise your hand if you are hoping Gus can have a QB for more than one season. I'm sure he would enjoy not having to do this every year. Or maybe he's a sadist? Who knows?

Whoever suggested the ND Box offense, I'm with you. Talk about different. Is there even film of that?

[Buzz Killington]

Raise your hand if you are hoping Gus can have a QB for more than one season. I'm sure he would enjoy not having to do this every year. Or maybe he's a sadist? Who knows?

Whoever suggested the ND Box offense, I'm with you. Talk about different. Is there even film of that?

Not me...I'm hoping Marshall breaks records this year on his way to the NFL so that Jeremy Johnson can come in as the starter next season.

[djsimp]

[AUChizad]

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080813aad.html

'TACKLE FOOTBALL': AUBURN QBS LIVE IN SCRIMMAGE
Aug. 7, 2013

Jonathan Wallace is subject to being tackled in Auburn's scrimmage (Todd Van Emst photo)

By Charles Goldberg
AuburnTigers.com

AUBURN, Ala. — Linebacker Jake Holland knew Auburn's first fall scrimmage was a big deal when Gus Malzahn took the non-contact orange jerseys off his quarterbacks and told them to wear their regular blues. 

Kiehl Frazier, Jonathan Wallace, Nick Marshall and Jeremy Johnson were fair game for the defense Wednesday.

"It brings a new aspect to the scrimmage because I've never been in a scrimmage where they've been live before," Holland said. "It gives it a game-like feel, and that's what they want."

Or, as Malzahn said, "Tackle football. Real football, like you're going to see in the very first game."

Malzahn took the unusual step of the live practice because he's trying to narrow the field so he can have a smaller rotation in practice so the two primary quarterbacks will get the primary work.

Of course, he needs to name a starter, too.

"They want to see who can get out of tough situations. I think our guys handled it that way," Holland said.

Malzahn needs to evaluate, and quickly.

"When it's not live, you're blowing the whistle, and you don't know if they can break a tackle, you don't know if they can escape pressure. It gives you a chance to evaluate them," he said.

"I thought it was very important, especially when you're trying to evaluate four guys, to give them a chance to make plays, just like a regular football game."

Malzahn said Frazier, Wallace, Marshall and Johnson "had fairly equal reps." Certainly, all four got a chance with the first and second-team offenses.

"The big thing is when you're evaluating guys, and you've got four of them, you have to narrow things down," he said. "T way to do that is to go live. I've done that before, and I felt like it was important that we did that now."

Overall, he said, "I saw some good things."

Auburn didn't release any stats from the closed scrimmage, though players afterwards recounted at least three touchdowns and a few interceptions.

Malzahn didn't say who did the best.

"There were so many plays, so many guys rotating in and out, there was nothing that really stands out. But there were some plays. The good thing is there were plays on offense and plays on defense," he said. "There were things we need to correct, but at the same time, both groups made plays."

Auburn will hold its first two-a-day practice session Thursday. But that was coming only a late-night film session of the scrimmage.

"Hopefully, we can learn some information where we can at least start narrowing it down," Malzahn said. "I'm not saying we're going to for sure, but that was the goal of this scrimmage."

[AU_Tiger_2000]

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080813aad.html

I'm confused, was anybody allowed to tackle the QB or just Holland?  Because if it was just Holland then they were still safe.

[dallaswareagle]

I'm confused, was anybody allowed to tackle the QB or just Holland?  Because if it was just Holland then they were still safe.

Should never be in the same sentence. 

[AWK]

though players afterwards recounted at least three touchdowns and a few interceptions.

 

[JR4AU]

JMHO, YMMV....allowing full speed tackling of the QBs tells me Gus is at a point he can't find a QB that he thinks can take the job the traditional way (or can't play at this level), and is to the point he believes it's worth the risk of any of them getting hurt (because he doesn't think it will be a tremendous loss) to find one that shows something when the bullets are actually flying that they don't/have not shown in practice.  IOW, we don't have a QB. 

[Townhallsavoy]

JMHO, YMMV....allowing full speed tackling of the QBs tells me Gus is at a point he can't find a QB that he thinks can take the job the traditional way (or can't play at this level), and is to the point he believes it's worth the risk of any of them getting hurt (because he doesn't think it will be a tremendous loss) to find one that shows something when the bullets are actually flying that they don't/have not shown in practice.  IOW, we don't have a QB.

Agreed.

But one thing it does tell me is that he's willing to adapt.  Maybe they all suck so hard at throwing that he's going to focus more on wildcat plays and the option. 

[JR4AU]

Agreed.

But one thing it does tell me is that he's willing to adapt.  Maybe they all suck so hard at throwing that he's going to focus more on wildcat plays and the option.

Yeah, that will go over like a lead balloon! 

[Kaos]

Can we do that play where we let the RB hide right behind the line?  That was funny. Can we do that 50 times a game?

[Godfather]

though players afterwards recounted at least three touchdowns and a few interceptions.

I read 3 INT's, including one by the Holland Monster himself.

[dallaswareagle]

Can we do that play where we let the RB hide right behind the line?  That was funny. Can we do that 50 times a game?

It only works when your playing Auburn (Arky 2006)

[Buzz Killington]

I read 3 INT's, including one by the Holland Monster himself.

It's good to hear the future starter at Mike is getting his hands on the ball.

[JR4AU]

It's good to hear the future starter at Mike is getting his hands on the ball.

You gonna give some here a heart attack!