Phillip Marshall: "If you can't stop it, outlaw it"

[AUownsU]

Hell I always looked at the HUNH as a way for offenses to gain the possesions back that they lost when the play clock moved from 24 to 40 seconds a few years back (another rule change that greatly benefited the updyke stlye of football). All this talk is nothing more than updyke propaganda started by the head updyke pure and simple. Players today ain't playing anymore plays than they were a few years ago.

[boartitz]

Saban usually loses a few players each year due to "injuries", mostly in the (summer?). Just because they can't cut the mustard. He's afraid that he'll lose some that are actually hurt. PAIN.
I'm glad that Gus finally has a chance to run his scheme on the big stage. His Defense has to be loaded with some long winded motherfuckers or they will collapse in the 4th quarter.
Oh yeah. Fuck Saban and what he wants.

[The Prowler]

Saban usually loses a few players each year due to "injuries", mostly in the (summer?). Just because they can't cut the mustard. He's afraid that he'll lose some that are actually hurt. PAIN.
I'm glad that Gus finally has a chance to run his scheme on the big stage. His Defense has to be loaded with some long winded motherfuckers or they will collapse in the 4th quarter.
Oh yeah. Fuck Saban and what he wants.

The good thing is Auburn's defense, under Coach Johnson, isn't a bend but don't break type defense anymore...meaning, Auburn's defense will take a lot more chances, they'll blitz more & they'll play closer to the LOS at the CB positions (no more 15 yard cushions).

[Saniflush]

Saban usually loses a few players each year due to "injuries", mostly in the (summer?). Just because they can't cut the mustard. He's afraid that he'll lose some that are actually hurt. PAIN.
I'm glad that Gus finally has a chance to run his scheme on the big stage. His Defense has to be loaded with some long winded motherfuckers or they will collapse in the 4th quarter.
Oh yeah. Fuck Saban and what he wants.

You don't say much sir but when you do you get straight to the point and I applaud you for it.

[wesfau2]

It's cool if the injuries are caused by his own players hitting each other, though (stolt from ITAT):

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...-215404221.html

For anyone worried, Lacy points to practices at Alabama. On the scout team, he was a punching bag. One play, on a blitz, Javier Arenas drilled Lacy's AC joint. Someone on the sideline stuffed a pad over the tender shoulder, tapped Lacy on the back and sent him back in for seconds.

"Unless you were dead or your leg was physically broken or something like that," Lacy says, "there was no way to get out of practice."

At Alabama, this was the culture. Play through pain or lose your spot. There's always another player in waiting. And Lacy, linebacker Nico Johnson repeats, is "all business." If he doesn't speak with a passion, he plays with a passion. By midseason last fall, when Alabama's good-not-great ground game was a concern, Johnson remembers telling Lacy to "play with a purpose."

[AUChizad]

http://cfbmatrix.com/speed-may-kill-but-slow-gets-you-hurt/

Speed May Kill, but Slow Gets You Hurt on Offense

By Dave Bartoo
National CFB Attrition Expert and Analytics Consultant
and Founder of the College Football Matrix

I love assumptions about college football and finding new ways to look at data and information.  Whether it is showing the near zero value of returning starters myth for elite programs, or the fact that SOS rankings are not valid and bear no purpose but to drive better OOC games, using trends and numbers to prove a point is an interesting activity.

One person, Coach Bret Bielema, caught my attention with his new found interest in ‘fast’ football causing more injuries than, ummm, ‘regular’ football?  ‘Slow’ football?  I did not understand what the alternative message would be for this stance.  If ‘fast’ football causes more injuries, why not slow it down.  But if you slow it down, then why not put a number of plays per game limit.  You see, that game can be played to the wacko point of stopping football altogether.

LISTEN ))))  As I walk you through this article  Speed Kills But Slow May Hurt You

I am digressing from the “fast’ versus ‘slow’ point of his statement and my simple review.  The way I see it just take the top teams with the most plays per game (‘fast teams’) and divide out the games lost to injury in an offense to total plays run.  thus getting an injury per play ratio.  Do the same for the bottom 20 teams of plays run per game (‘slow’ teams) to get a comparable injury per play ratio.

Top 20 ‘Fast’ Teams in FBS Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 83.12
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 143
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.15
Average Starts Lost per Play: .086

Top 20 ‘Slow’ Teams in FBS Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 65.85
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 151
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.55
Average Starts Lost per Play: .115

For all of FBS football in 2012, the ‘fast’ teams averaged over 17 plays per game more than the bottom 20 ‘slow’ teams.  This is 26% more plays run per game than a ‘slow’ teams.  Even though this adds up to over 340 more plays run in a season, the ‘slow’ teams still lost 8 more starts to injury than the ‘fast teams.  Additionally, the average number of starts lost per play was 33% HIGHER for the ‘slow’ teams.    Although this is all FBS programs and just the 2012 season, that is a huge argument in favor of ‘fast’ play.

I know, I was thinking the same thing you are “That’s all FBS teams Dave, how about just big boy AQ football.”  If you were hoping the numbers got better.  Stop.  It gets worse.  Much worse.

The top 15 ‘fast*’ teams in AQ football in 2012 ran 2697 MORE plays than the 15 ‘slow’ teams in 2012.  This resulted in 24 FEWER starts lost to injury to the ‘Fast’ teams.  The ‘fast’ teams lost just 5.87 starts to injury in 2012 which is 22.7% less that the 7.50 starts lost per team for the ‘slow’ teams.  The amazing stat is that injuries that created starts lost per play occurred at a rate 56% greater for teams that play ‘slow’.

Top 15 ‘Fast’ Teams in AQ Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 81.2
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 88
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 5.87
Average Starts Lost per Play: .072

Top 15 ‘Slow’ Teams in AQ Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 66.2
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 112
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.50
Average Starts Lost per Play: .113

While this may not settle the argument of the safety of ‘fast’ up-tempo for coaches or fans against the up-tempo style of play, it certainly does not cement the suggestion that ‘fast’ play causes more injuries.  Certainly in 2012 is was the opposite of that suggestion as total starts lost to injury and frequency of this injury per play was higher across the board for all of FBS football and AQ football teams.

Data thanks to the folks at teamrankings.com for their contributions and philsteele.com for injury numbers

[divider]

*2012 ‘Slow’ Teams   2012 ‘Fast’ Teams
Cincinnati   Baylor
Mississippi State   Texas A&M
USC   Oregon
Kansas State   Duke
Utah   UCLA
Alabama   Arizona State
Florida   Syracuse
Temple   Clemson
Michigan   West Virginia
Rutgers   Oklahoma
Wisconsin   Washington State
Auburn   Oklahoma State
Georgia   Arizona
Kentucky   Penn State
Minnesota   NC State

[wesfau2]

I want to like that guy's conclusion, but how the fuck do you figure:

games lost to injury in an offense

??

[The Prowler]

I want to like that guy's conclusion, but how the fuck do you figure:
??

Concussions, ligament damage, I don't know.

[The Six]

More interesting to me is that Eddie Lacy - highly sought after 4 star running back - was used as a punching bag for Saban's goons on defense. And that they targeted those hits. Talk about humbling. Maybe if we'd done that to Dyer - or actually believed in contact at practice - he would have turned out differently.

[AUChizad]

I want to like that guy's conclusion, but how the fuck do you figure:
??

Per player. He also included "Starts lost to injury" in his analysis.

Not games lost because of injuries. Games in which a given player was unable to participate.

The wording is confusing, but the context implies that that is what he meant.

[The Prowler]

More interesting to me is that Eddie Lacy - highly sought after 4 star running back - was used as a punching bag for Saban's goons on defense. And that they targeted those hits. Talk about humbling. Maybe if we'd done that to Dyer - or actually believed in contact at practice - he would have turned out differently.

Highly sought after? Not once everyone realized he was dumber than a bag of rocks. He wouldn't have been able to get in anywhere else besides uat.

As for Brett Bielema, the reason why he's so against the HUNH is because nearly every single High School in Arkansas runs some form of that type of Offense, thanks in large part to Coach Gustav Malzahn. A lot of those offensive players don't fit in with his Pro-Style.
That's why he's so fuckin adamant about it.