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Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies

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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #240 on: July 03, 2014, 04:23:48 PM »
Good thing for me, I'm highly effective at obtaining confessions.  That way the court appointed attorneys can sit around, back slap each other, pretend like they give a shit about whatever thief I've ever put in jail, and leave me out of their circle-jerk of injustice when they sentence the burglar to a 780 year prison sentence, diverted to 12 days of community corrections with unsupervised probation.

Just the opposite in this county.  First, the long time D.A. is a sunuvabitch.  Every case needs the max sentence and he looks at it as an opportunity to get in front of the camera and tell the world how safe he's making this county.  Truthfully, he does a hell of a job.  I haven't done any of that work in at least 10 years and they changed the format (In case you don't know it) to assigning contracted attorneys to each Judge.  Couldn't get an appointed case if I wanted one.  I don't.  But back when I did, I saw a couple of Judge's that really looked intimidated by the D.A.  If he tried the case, he normally kicked major ass.

But the other thing is back when I was doing appointed criminal work, I was all gung ho about doing everything right and scared to death of screwing up.  I quickly noticed though, that the other lawyers really didn't give a flying monkey fuck about their appointed clients.  I'd go to arraignments and there would always be 10-12 cases called where the defendant didn't show.  The lawyers would just casually announce, "Judge, I sent him a letter" and go back to yukking it up.  If I had any type hearing and couldn't reach my client, I was in the car headed down to the projects trying to track him down.  Most of these guys just wanted to get the best deal they could and bill the State for some time.   
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #241 on: July 03, 2014, 04:33:53 PM »
I would only add to all of this discussion that the psychological battle between right and wrong, justice and injustice, likely plays a substantial role in turning most lawyers toward sucking cock.
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« Reply #242 on: July 03, 2014, 04:37:55 PM »
I would only add to all of this discussion that the psychological battle between right and wrong, justice and injustice, likely plays a substantial role in turning most lawyers toward sucking cock.

Look, sometimes money gets tight.
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« Reply #243 on: July 03, 2014, 04:57:07 PM »
Don't want to get into a big discussion about this and I certainly don't want to generate a novel from Vandy Vol wrongly explaining a million different things, so I've said all I want to say.

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« Reply #244 on: July 03, 2014, 05:18:43 PM »
I know this is true, but I NEED a link. Anyone?
lawyertalk, lawyertalk, lawyertalk - don't you guys see that Chizzad wants to see some bammerdick?
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #245 on: July 03, 2014, 05:19:26 PM »
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« Reply #246 on: July 03, 2014, 05:57:39 PM »
Absolutely.  Enjoying the right to a zealous and competent defense buttresses societal confidence in the legal system, thus ensuring the machine of society continues to run.
^^^He said buttress. :haha:
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #247 on: July 03, 2014, 09:44:24 PM »
Fuck everything about /r/childfree.  Never read more spiteful and malicious puke in my life than what you can find there.

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« Reply #248 on: July 03, 2014, 09:48:57 PM »
Wait a second...I missed something.  Sexting?  Scout? 

Am I reading this correctly?  He left his kid to die in a car then sexted with girls throughout the day before telling his buddies he'd be a little late to the movie? 
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #249 on: July 03, 2014, 10:03:14 PM »
Got 140°?
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« Reply #250 on: July 03, 2014, 11:01:23 PM »

But the other thing is back when I was doing appointed criminal work, I was all gung ho about doing everything right and scared to death of screwing up.  I quickly noticed though, that the other lawyers really didn't give a flying monkey fuck about their appointed clients.  I'd go to arraignments and there would always be 10-12 cases called where the defendant didn't show.  The lawyers would just casually announce, "Judge, I sent him a letter" and go back to yukking it up.  If I had any type hearing and couldn't reach my client, I was in the car headed down to the projects trying to track him down.  Most of these guys just wanted to get the best deal they could and bill the State for some time.   

As many times as I have sat in the court room and just had to watch lawyers sitting around and talking about how drunk they got the night before (or currently are) and do exactly that "Judge, I sent him/her a letter" "request to continue, and I will see if I can get in touch with him/her".  Most lawyers I have seen are doing just that, collecting a paycheck.  It pisses me off that lawyers try to get thier turd of a client off on a technicality.  When over half the time they walk in and have to ask ask the deputy that brought them to court which one their client is because they have never even talked to them before walking in the court room.  Much less know anything about the case.  Then when they do get a case and actually look at it before court and know a little bit about the case, they do their best to get it thrown out even when they know the sun of a bitch is guilty.  That's why we have so much crap going to the supreme court.  I understand working for your client, but let's call a spade a spade and move on with it.  Send their ass to prison, and make them actually pay their debt to society
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #251 on: July 04, 2014, 03:21:54 AM »
Link for the "Scout" reference (43:00 mark)


http://mashable.com/2014/07/03/hot-car-death-justin-ross-harris/?utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial

Also, Mr. & Mrs. Harris are quilty and both should be placed in a black sedan, with bulletproof glass, locked windows and welded doors and be made to sit in the Nevada desert for 12 hours.

The child had abrasions on the back of his head and on his face, the wife was told that Mr. Harris didn't bring their son to the daycare, she immediately responded with, "what do I do...he must've left him in the car." Then at the police station, they left Mr. & Mrs. Harris together in a room, she asked him, "did you say to much?" When a reporter asked Mrs. Harris about how her child looked, she said, "his eyes and mouth were closed and that he looked peaceful." The investigator said that was not the case, he said, "his eyes and mouth were open and he had visible wounds on his face."

Here's what will come out in the end...

Mr. & Mrs. Harris's marriage was failing. He had already cheated on her before, with her knowledge, and was still cheating on her. She wanted to make the marriage work, because she's apparently a fuckin mongoloid like him, and they love each other. They decided that they'll go on a second honeymoon (or first honeymoon if they didn't get the chance to do so previously), to spark the relationship back up. They were kinda strapped for money to afford the plane tickets and the vacation. They have two insurance policies on the baby ($25,000 & $2,500). They just need a way to get the money, without robbing a bank and a way to leave their baby, while they go off.

So, Mr. Harris charges around $4,000 on the credit card, for the sky miles & "accidentally" leaves the baby in the car in 88 degree heat for 8-10 hours (he'd just watched a video, a few days before, of a veterinarian sitting in a vehicle, in 90 degree heat, for a few hours, to show the temperature and explain how it felt and how it might feel to an animal)...needless to say, Mr. Harris knew for a fact that 8+ hours, in a vehicle, in 88 degree heat, would kill a baby. He finally talks to his wife, at the police station, after failing to reach her when he "realized" his son was dead and after he told the police officers to "shut the fuck up" when they asked him to put the phone away. The phone conservation between he and his wife lasted a little over a minute and I can pretty much guess what it consisted of (he's dead, are you sure, yes I'm sure, okay just don't talk to anyone about it, okay bye).
Also, the investigators will find more stuff about his life than he knew still existed, as well as his wife's. There'll be child pornography on his home and probably work computers and more nasty shit, stuff that he thinks that he wiped.
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #252 on: July 04, 2014, 06:45:57 AM »
This is the problem I have with defense attorneys.

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Kilgore, the defense attorney, asked the judge to dismiss the charges against Harris. He said there wasn't enough evidence against him to even support a misdemeanor, and said Harris simply forgot his son was in the car.

"Ross pulled out of Chick-fil-A and his mind went elsewhere,'' Kilgore said. "We forget in an instant because our mind races ahead."

"The results of forgetting in this case were absolutely catastrophic, but an accident doesn't become a crime because the results are catastrophic,'' Kilgore said.


How can he stand up there with a straight face and a clean conscience and promote this theory?  After everything that was presented and all the evidence to the contrary? 

The Chick Fil A is five minutes from work. Five minutes.  He fed his kid at Chick Fil A and then FORGOT to to take him from daycare because he was so busy snapping photos of his junk? 

I understand defending the guy and making sure his rights aren't violated but it is an absolute affront to human decency to promote this "he just forgot" theory and request a dismissal of charges.  And before you retort I know that it's standard practice to ask for dismissal of charges -- I find that offensive as well. 

At some point the line between competent defense and asshattery needs to be drawn.  Kilgore opted for asshattery. 
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #253 on: July 04, 2014, 08:58:31 AM »
no way he "forgot" - the CFA where they went is at the corner of Cumberland and Paces Ferry, both divided four-lane parkways just inside 285.  The access to that shopping center is only on Cumberland, and work and daycare are both left-turns out of there.  To go to  you pull left onto Cumberland, and would have to make a left at that big intersection with Paces Ferry to go to the main HD campus across 285 (where the daycare would be).  As he pulled onto Cumberland, he probably had to pause in the median to get into traffic and immediately crossed those left-turn lanes to go straight across Paces to his office, which is further up Cumberland.

It's not "forgetting" in those few minutes going a half mile.  It would be forgetting as soon as he turned out of the parking lot. 

I also understand that he parked his car backwards.  Wonder if he also made sure to park in an unshaded space, since a lot of parking in that area is in decks or shaded by landscaping.

It would surely change venue if it ever went to trial, so no chance for this Cobb County resident to be on that jury.  Dude needs to be in gen pop when he gets to the big house.  Mom should be in custody now too.
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« Reply #254 on: July 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM »
This is the problem I have with defense attorneys.
 

How can he stand up there with a straight face and a clean conscience and promote this theory?  After everything that was presented and all the evidence to the contrary? 

The Chick Fil A is five minutes from work. Five minutes.  He fed his kid at Chick Fil A and then FORGOT to to take him from daycare because he was so busy snapping photos of his junk? 

I understand defending the guy and making sure his rights aren't violated but it is an absolute affront to human decency to promote this "he just forgot" theory and request a dismissal of charges.  And before you retort I know that it's standard practice to ask for dismissal of charges -- I find that offensive as well. 

At some point the line between competent defense and asshattery needs to be drawn.  Kilgore opted for asshattery.

Yes, it sucks, but the purpose of the defense attorney is to represent the defendant.  Everyone gets a right to a fair trial.  The prosecution is accusing a man of murdering his child.  If Harris wanted to, he could have claimed that he was in Europe that day.  If he hired an attorney who took the case, he could tell his attorney about his trip to Europe and the attorney would bring his defense to the courtroom.

"My client cannot be guilty of murder.  He was in Europe that day!" 

Even though everyone would know it was bullshit including the attorney, Justin Ross Harris would still get his right to defend himself using a qualified person to go through the legal proceedings. 
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #255 on: July 04, 2014, 10:46:33 AM »
Yes, it sucks, but the purpose of the defense attorney is to represent the defendant.  Everyone gets a right to a fair trial.  The prosecution is accusing a man of murdering his child.  If Harris wanted to, he could have claimed that he was in Europe that day.  If he hired an attorney who took the case, he could tell his attorney about his trip to Europe and the attorney would bring his defense to the courtroom.

"My client cannot be guilty of murder.  He was in Europe that day!" 

Even though everyone would know it was bullshit including the attorney, Justin Ross Harris would still get his right to defend himself using a qualified person to go through the legal proceedings.

There's a difference between being fair and outright lying.
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« Reply #256 on: July 04, 2014, 10:54:28 AM »
There's a difference between being fair and outright lying.

Well, yes, of course.  The defendant is lying.  The lawyer representing that lie is just going through the legal motions.  Everyone has the right to provide a defense for an accusation. 

I think you're putting the lie in the lawyer's mouth.  The lawyer isn't the one lying.  He's simply a middle man who knows how to smoothen the statements and evidence in a courtroom to fit legal proceedings. 
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« Reply #257 on: July 04, 2014, 11:18:32 AM »
Well, yes, of course.  The defendant is lying.  The lawyer representing that lie is just going through the legal motions.  Everyone has the right to provide a defense for an accusation. 

I think you're putting the lie in the lawyer's mouth.  The lawyer isn't the one lying.  He's simply a middle man who knows how to smoothen the statements and evidence in a courtroom to fit legal proceedings.

I could not in good conscience do anything more than making sure no lies were told by the prosecution.  Mounting a false "defense" for someone of this level of moral depravity isn't something I could do and live with myself.
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« Reply #258 on: July 04, 2014, 12:04:06 PM »
I could not in good conscience do anything more than making sure no lies were told by the prosecution.  Mounting a false "defense" for someone of this level of moral depravity isn't something I could do and live with myself.

How do you know the prosecution isn't lying?  How do you know the police aren't lying?  The defense is there to make sure law enforcement isn't framing this guy.  Or maybe there's another culprit in the case.  Maybe there's just something else.  Unless the guy admitted to the defense attorney that he committed premeditated murder on his child, then the defense is simply using his side of the story to refute the prosecution's claims. 

It's not a false defense. No matter how much the media has swayed our opinion, this guy still gets his say in court, and I for one am glad that there exists a defense attorney willing to carry out due process. 
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Re: Mother Leaves Baby in Car; Baby Dies
« Reply #259 on: July 04, 2014, 02:34:28 PM »
I didn't hear the defense ask for proof.

All they did was say all of the relevant things were irrelevant. So what if be searched murdering kids, his wife asked if he messed up and said too much, he sent dick pics while a child was baking to death, he searched for childless life info. Ignore every bit of that. He accidentally forgot.

Defense lawyers should have to show good faith. If he gets the guy off he has to let him and his whore wife babysit kids and grand kids for the next five years.

Get a rapist off and he has to live with the defense attorney for a year. Murderers, whatever. Take personal responsibility.

I bet the zealous defense shit would dry up in a hurry.
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