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Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« on: May 21, 2013, 12:32:27 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/business/apple-avoided-billions-in-taxes-congressional-panel-says.html?_r=0
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Apple’s Web of Tax Shelters Saved It Billions, Panel Finds

Apple’s Tax Avoidance Strategies: The Times’s Charles Duhigg on the financial practices of Apple and a corporate culture that pushed for great innovation, in both products and tax strategies.
By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ and CHARLES DUHIGG
Published: May 20, 2013

WASHINGTON — Even as Apple became the nation’s most profitable technology company, it avoided billions in taxes in the United States and around the world through a web of subsidiaries so complex it spanned continents and went beyond anything most experts had ever seen, Congressional investigators disclosed on Monday.

The investigation is expected to set up a potentially explosive confrontation between a bipartisan group of lawmakers and Timothy D. Cook, Apple’s chief executive, at a public hearing on Tuesday.

Congressional investigators found that some of Apple’s subsidiaries had no employees and were largely run by top officials from the company’s headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. But by officially locating them in places like Ireland, Apple was able to, in effect, make them stateless — exempt from taxes, record-keeping laws and the need for the subsidiaries to even file tax returns anywhere in the world.

“Apple wasn’t satisfied with shifting its profits to a low-tax offshore tax haven,” said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations that is holding the public hearing Tuesday into Apple’s use of tax havens. “Apple successfully sought the holy grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore entities holding tens of billions of dollars while claiming to be tax resident nowhere.”

Thanks to what lawmakers called “gimmicks” and “schemes,” Apple was able to largely sidestep taxes on tens of billions of dollars it earned outside the United States in recent years. Last year, international operations accounted for 61 percent of Apple’s total revenue.

Investigators have not accused Apple of breaking any laws and the company is hardly the only American multinational to face scrutiny for using complex corporate structures and tax havens to sidestep taxes. In recent months, revelations from European authorities about the tax avoidance strategies used by Google, Starbucks and Amazon have all stirred public anger and spurred several European governments, as well as the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based research organization for the world’s richest countries, to discuss measures to close the loopholes.

Still, the findings about Apple were remarkable both for the enormous amount of money involved and the audaciousness of the company’s assertion that its subsidiaries are beyond the reach of any taxing authority.

“There is a technical term economists like to use for behavior like this,” said Edward Kleinbard, a law professor at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and a former staff director at the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation. “Unbelievable chutzpah.”

While Apple’s strategy is unusual in its scope and effectiveness, it underscores how riddled with loopholes the American corporate tax code has become, critics say. At the same time, it shows how difficult it will be for Washington to overhaul the tax system.

Over all, Apple’s tax avoidance efforts shifted at least $74 billion from the reach of the Internal Revenue Service between 2009 and 2012, the investigators said. That cash remains offshore, but Apple, which paid more than $6 billion in taxes in the United States last year on its American operations, could still have to pay federal taxes on it if the company were to return the money to its coffers in the United States.

John McCain of Arizona, who is the panel’s senior Republican, said: “Apple claims to be the largest U.S. corporate taxpayer, but by sheer size and scale, it is also among America’s largest tax avoiders.”

In prepared testimony expected to be delivered to the Senate committee by Mr. Cook and other Apple executives on Tuesday, the company said it “welcomes an objective examination of the U.S. corporate tax system, which has not kept pace with the advent of the digital age and the rapidly changing global economy.”

The executives plan to tell the lawmakers that Apple does not use tax gimmicks, according to the prepared testimony.

 Mr. Cook is also expected to argue that some of Apple’s largest subsidiaries do not reduce Apple’s tax liability, and to press for a sweeping overhaul of the United States corporate tax code — in particular, by lowering rates on companies moving foreign overseas earnings back to the United States. Apple currently assigns more than $100 billion to offshore subsidiaries.

Atop Apple’s offshore network is a subsidiary named Apple Operations International, which is incorporated in Ireland — where Apple had negotiated a special corporate tax rate of 2 percent or less in recent years — but keeps its bank accounts and records in the United States and holds board meetings in California.

Because the United States bases residency on where companies are incorporated, while Ireland focuses on where they are managed and controlled, Apple Operations International was able to fall neatly between the cracks of the two countries’ jurisdictions.

Apple Operations International has not filed a tax return in Ireland, the United States or any other country over the last five years. It had income of $30 billion between 2009 and 2012. By shuttling revenue between international subsidiaries, Apple was able largely to sidestep paying taxes, Congressional investigators said.

In the prepared testimony, Apple executives disputed the characterization of Apple Operations International. “A.O.I. performs important business functions that facilitate and enhance Apple’s success in international markets,” the testimony states. “It is not a shell company.”

The Senate investigators also found evidence that the company turned over substantially less money to the government than its public filings indicated.

While the company cited an effective rate of 24 to 32 percent in its disclosures, its effective tax rate was 20.1 percent, based on the committee’s findings. And for a company of Apple’s size, the resulting difference was substantial — more than $8 billion in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Because of these strategies, tax experts say, Washington is forced to rely more and heavily on payroll taxes and individual income taxes to finance the government’s operations. For example, in 2011, individual income taxes contributed $1.1 trillion to federal coffers, while corporate taxes added up to $181 billion.

As companies’ earnings have accumulated offshore, many executives have been pushing more aggressively for a tax holiday that would allow them to bring back funds at lower tax rates. Apple has recently announced that it will return $100 billion to shareholders over three years through a combination of dividends and purchases of its own shares. Though Apple has enough cash on hand to pay for those initiatives, the company recently announced it would take on $17 billion in debt, rather than bring overseas money back to the United States to avoid paying repatriation taxes on those returning funds.

“If Apple had used its overseas cash to fund this return of capital, the funds would have been diminished by the very high corporate U.S. tax rate of 35 percent,” Mr. Cook is planning to testify, according to the prepared text. Apple “believes the current system, which applies industrial era concepts to a digital economy, actually undermines U.S. competitiveness.”

Critics, however, say these so-called repatriation holidays, which bring back funds at lower tax rates, do virtually nothing to stimulate the economy and benefit only corporations, their executives and shareholders. Congress enacted a repatriation holiday in 2004, allowing corporations to bring back about $300 billion from overseas and pay just 5.25 percent rather than the regular 35 percent corporate rate.

But a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that 92 percent of the repatriated cash was used to pay for dividends, share buybacks or executive bonuses.

“Repatriations did not lead to an increase in domestic investment, employment or R.&D., even for the firms that lobbied for the tax holiday stating these intentions,” concluded the study, which was conducted by a team of three economists that included a former Bush administration official. Tuesday’s hearing on Capitol Hill, along with the disclosures about Apple’s tax policies, are likely to make lowering repatriation taxes a more difficult proposition for lawmakers to stomach, Congressional staff members said.

On Capitol Hill Monday, legislators made plain their fury over what they called Apple’s “egregious” and “outrageous” conduct.

While other companies have taken advantage of loopholes, Mr. Levin said, “I’ve never seen anything like this and we don’t know anybody who’s seen anything like this.”[/b]
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 12:35:06 PM »
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“Do you feel that you’ve been bullied or harassed by this committee?” Senator John McCain has just asked Tim Cook at the Senate Sub-Committee Hearing to Examine Offshore Profit Shifting and Tax Avoidance by Apple Inc.

“I feel good to be participating in this. I hope to help the process. I’d like comprehensive tax reform to be passed this year, and we will help in anyway we can.”

“I wasn’t dragged here, sir,” Tim Cook laughed.

“You’ve obviously taken advantage legally of a number of loopholes. Couldn’t you draw a conclusion that you have an unfair advantage over domestic companies?” asked McCain.

“No, it’s not the way I see it. Apple pays 30.5% of its profits in taxes on the United States. I would guess that’s high on the list of how it stacks up against other companies. We do have a low tax rate outside the U.S., but it’s for products we sell there, not within. So the way I look at this is there’s no shifting going on.”

Tim Cook is saying that because domestic companies operate only domestically, Apple has no advantage over them domestically: it only has an international advantage, which isn’t applicable in talking about “competitive advantage” in a U.S.-only context.
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2013, 12:50:53 PM »
They need to be going after Haliburton and GE. Apple is a waste of time. Rand Paul isn't please with this at all, and neither am I.
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 06:38:14 PM »
Apple is not down with "the man" therefore they've been targeted. Big banks, big oil, govt contractors, wal mart, GE- all off limits since they are all in DC's back pocket.

Screw these chumps up there.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 12:21:21 AM »
Apple is not down with "the man" therefore they've been targeted. Big banks, big oil, govt contractors, wal mart, GE- all off limits since they are all in DC's back pocket.

Screw these chumps up there.
This is the most truthful statement I've read.  Apple will make a donation and this shit will go away.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 07:14:25 AM »
This is the most truthful statement I've read.  Apple will make a donation and this shit will go away.

If they are like their clientele it will be a semen donation.

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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 09:47:16 AM »
Avoiding taxes is the CEO's job. What's the big deal here? They haven't broken the law and the money isn't hidden in the U.S. It's not taxable!

Cook shouldn't even have to answer these stupid ass questions. If they want more tax revenue, revise the system and make an even playing field.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 10:42:04 AM »
Avoiding taxes is the CEO's job. What's the big deal here? They haven't broken the law and the money isn't hidden in the U.S. It's not taxable!

Cook shouldn't even have to answer these stupid ass questions. If they want more tax revenue, revise the system and make an even playing field.

Totally agree.  It's a problem with the tax code, not those who can afford to find the loopholes.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 11:14:43 AM »
Totally agree.  It's a problem with the tax code, not those who can afford to find the loopholes.

Correct good counselor.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 11:21:22 AM »
Totally agree.  It's a problem with the tax code, not those who can afford to find the loopholes.

I make $41k/year as a teacher.  Can I afford loopholes?
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 11:24:08 AM »
I make $41k/year as a teacher.  Can I afford loopholes?

GE uses them more than any other company but since their CEO is cozy with the PTB in DC, well...move along, nothing to see here. Only thing Apple is guilty of is not being BFF with Washington.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2013, 11:51:52 AM »
I make $41k/year as a teacher.  Can I afford loopholes?

Beats the shit out of me.  I don't do taxes.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 12:08:22 PM »
I make $41k/year as a teacher.  Can I afford loopholes?
Prob worth looking in to this. Since we aren't on an even playing field and I believe the latest figures are about 1/2 of the country actually pays taxes (maybe less. i don't have time to googles)--we need to look for any legal opportunity available to cut costs.

I believe in paying a fair share. Unfortunately, until we get a new code, there is nothing fair about it. And to top it off, we now find that the IRS is politically motivated fosho. Pretty sure it wasn't just coincidence that Bill O'reilly was audited like 8 times under Clinton's IRS.  I'm all for flat tax but that would cut out too many gov't jobs for the socialist regime, so it prob won't happen in this generation.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2013, 12:23:55 PM »
Beats the shit out of me.  I don't do taxes.

Came out of the tax portion of the bar exam and it was one of the few that I really felt good about.  I couldn't tell you jack squat about taxes now but fortunately, we had a professor who taught his course based strictly around how to pass tax on the bar.  He was good.  But as you always do during the break after a test, you have to compare notes.  The questions centered around a couple who came to you as a tax attorney to get your advice on several issues.  Me and a guy were fist bumping (Yes, you fist bumped back then) knowing we had nailed the answers.  One other guy standing there waited for us to finish and said, "I put..."These people need a tax attorney.  Why are you asking me?  I haven't even passed the Bar yet."

I didn't see him at the swearing in ceremony.
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 12:40:15 PM »
Prob worth looking in to this. Since we aren't on an even playing field and I believe the latest figures are about 1/2 of the country actually pays taxes (maybe less. i don't have time to googles)--we need to look for any legal opportunity available to cut costs.

I believe in paying a fair share. Unfortunately, until we get a new code, there is nothing fair about it. And to top it off, we now find that the IRS is politically motivated fosho. Pretty sure it wasn't just coincidence that Bill O'reilly was audited like 8 times under Clinton's IRS.  I'm all for flat tax but that would cut out too many gov't jobs for the socialist regime, so it prob won't happen in this generation.

The fair share part is fine. Someone getting to define and redefine what fair share is over and over is NOT fine. Fair is fair. It's not what you think it is that day when you wake up in order to make up for what you consider to be a social injustice and to pander to a largely emotional and factually uninformed electorate of sheep.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2013, 12:49:23 PM »
The fair share part is fine. Someone getting to define and redefine what fair share is over and over is NOT fine. Fair is fair. It's not what you think it is that day when you wake up in order to make up for what you consider to be a social injustice and to pander to a largely emotional and factually uninformed electorate of sheep.
Agree. That's why I think flat is fair.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2013, 01:22:33 PM »
Agree. That's why I think flat is fair.

The people who pay nothing or under the national avg dont think so. Neither do their favorite politicians. 
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2013, 01:31:02 PM »
Prob worth looking in to this. Since we aren't on an even playing field and I believe the latest figures are about 1/2 of the country actually pays taxes (maybe less. i don't have time to googles)--we need to look for any legal opportunity available to cut costs.

I believe in paying a fair share. Unfortunately, until we get a new code, there is nothing fair about it. And to top it off, we now find that the IRS is politically motivated fosho. Pretty sure it wasn't just coincidence that Bill O'reilly was audited like 8 times under Clinton's IRS.  I'm all for flat tax but that would cut out too many gov't jobs for the socialist regime, so it prob won't happen in this generation.

I just quit my job.  Can I have some of your money?
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2013, 01:47:57 PM »
I just quit my job.  Can I have some of your money?
Sure. All you need to do is find the unemployment office. It's quick. It's easy. It's free. And best of all, it's extended under Obama!
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Re: Apple On Trial For "Tax Evasion"
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2013, 04:26:58 PM »
A 2013 tax return already filled out.
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