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Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud

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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2013, 03:26:03 PM »
Awesome.  Was this story ever picked-up by any MSM in this country?

No clue.  But the media's decision to report or not report on certain incidents is an entirely separate issue.  The fact of the matter is that it happens on both sides of the fence, regardless of who reports what.

So that makes 71 Democrats to 1 (perhaps 2) Republicans.

Like THS said, if one side is using dirty tactics, then the other side probably is as well.  Maybe the evil media is choosing not to report Republican voter fraud?  Who knows.  I only spent a minute on Google to find a handful of Republicans who committed voter fraud; my list of four is by no means exhaustive.

Unless we look at actual numbers of arrests and convictions, rather than going solely by what the media decides to report to us, then we can't definitively determine that it's an institutional problem with only one political party and not the other.  Even if more Democratic individuals partake in voter fraud, that alone doesn't indicate that the Democratic party as an institution is involved in or otherwise promoting voter fraud.

I agree that voter fraud is a problem, but posturing the problem as being caused by Democrats is ignoring the Republicans who also commit voter fraud.  It suggests that the problem is solely due to Democrats, and thus that the problem needs to be addressed by punishing/policing Democrats or the Democratic party.  In reality, it's a problem that's perpetuated by both sides, and if we're going to address that problem, then we need to acknowledge who's doing it regardless of political alignment, how they're doing it, and how to fix it.
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2013, 04:02:30 PM »
No clue.  But the media's decision to report or not report on certain incidents is an entirely separate issue.  The fact of the matter is that it happens on both sides of the fence, regardless of who reports what.

Like THS said, if one side is using dirty tactics, then the other side probably is as well.  Maybe the evil media is choosing not to report Republican voter fraud?  Who knows.  I only spent a minute on Google to find a handful of Republicans who committed voter fraud; my list of four is by no means exhaustive.

Unless we look at actual numbers of arrests and convictions, rather than going solely by what the media decides to report to us, then we can't definitively determine that it's an institutional problem with only one political party and not the other.  Even if more Democratic individuals partake in voter fraud, that alone doesn't indicate that the Democratic party as an institution is involved in or otherwise promoting voter fraud.

I agree that voter fraud is a problem, but posturing the problem as being caused by Democrats is ignoring the Republicans who also commit voter fraud.  It suggests that the problem is solely due to Democrats, and thus that the problem needs to be addressed by punishing/policing Democrats or the Democratic party.  In reality, it's a problem that's perpetuated by both sides, and if we're going to address that problem, then we need to acknowledge who's doing it regardless of political alignment, how they're doing it, and how to fix it.

I never said that the media was evil; just that they are highly (even hyper) partisan and favorable to the Democrats.  It is, of course, a separate issue but relates to my original post on this thread.

I'm a conservative Republican so I'll posture the problem as much as I can as long as it makes Democrats look like the thuggish, ignorant, crooked, corrupt, sons-of-bitches that I generally say that they are (did I get in all the f-u's, racial, and IQ insults there?).  And it's obvious that Republicans were treated differently from Democrats by the authorities in the very specific instances that we've mentioned.

In all seriousness, as was mentioned, government-issued photo id's would probably cut down on most of these problems (but not corrupt, Democrat poll workers who vote multiple times) however the Pharaoh's Justice Department and the Democrat-friendly ACLU have been active in fighting that solution for obvious reasons.

Short of this, perhaps the best solution would be to bring in international election observers from the EU and the AU since neither side can be absolutely trusted to police themselves (nor can the Justice Dept. be trusted).
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2013, 04:07:31 PM »
I must say that I completely agree with this. You have to throw in some fuck you's, racial and IQ insults to get anywhere. BTW, you left off a Na. That could be part of the reason it doesn't work.

That's what puts the fun into politics...well, that along visceral and intellectual hatred of the opposition.
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2013, 06:28:21 PM »
I'm a conservative Republican so I'll posture the problem as much as I can as long as it makes Democrats look like the thuggish, ignorant, crooked, corrupt, sons-of-bitches that I generally say that they are (did I get in all the f-u's, racial, and IQ insults there?).  And it's obvious that Republicans were treated differently from Democrats by the authorities in the very specific instances that we've mentioned.

Your view of Democrats is my view of politicians in general, sadly I must say.  Major reform in so many ways are needed, yet aren't happening due to people on both sides of the aisle.  The system's not working, as revolutionary as that may sound.

In all seriousness, as was mentioned, government-issued photo id's would probably cut down on most of these problems (but not corrupt, Democrat poll workers who vote multiple times) however the Pharaoh's Justice Department and the Democrat-friendly ACLU have been active in fighting that solution for obvious reasons.

Showing government IDs is racist!

Yes, they should institute showing government issued IDs.  But there are other issues that would need to be addressed, such as poll workers who throw out voter registration cards or absentee votes.  Which is why, as you mentioned, we need to figure out who an impartial party would be and how to best involve them.
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 11:11:56 AM »
Your view of Democrats is my view of politicians in general, sadly I must say.  Major reform in so many ways are needed, yet aren't happening due to people on both sides of the aisle.  The system's not working, as revolutionary as that may sound.

Showing government IDs is racist!

Yes, they should institute showing government issued IDs.  But there are other issues that would need to be addressed, such as poll workers who throw out voter registration cards or absentee votes.  Which is why, as you mentioned, we need to figure out who an impartial party would be and how to best involve them.

So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2013, 11:32:11 AM »
So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.

Pffft...yeah right.  Next, he'll be suggesting the brown people should vote. :rofl:
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2013, 11:33:57 AM »
Pffft...yeah right.  Next, he'll be suggesting the brown people should vote. :rofl:
That will be the day...
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Re: Persistent Democrats and Voter Fraud
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2013, 03:47:19 PM »
So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.

No, fuck them.










Not literally, of course.  I save the fucking for the dudes.
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