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Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« on: February 13, 2013, 04:28:48 PM »
More rules and proposed changes by the NCAA.  The first, and most discussed below, is the proposed ejection of a player for hitting a defenseless player above the shoulders.  There's a part of me that understands the need for controlling those hits where a player intentionally tries to injure another. (ie, Saints....let the discussion begin) But in both the college and pro games, the enforcement of this has gone beyond logic and reason.  Football is a game of high speed collisions where players have to make split second decisions.  It's virtually every 2 or 3 plays where two are going full speed at each other and have to make that split second decision on how that collision will occur.  How many times have you seen the ball carrier tuck his head while the defender is set to make textbook tackle?  Result: blow to the head....flag. 

The only silver lining I see is the proposed use of instant replay to help validate or overturn the refs decision.  I just hope this brings some sanity back as opposed to the further pussification of the game we love.  c-c-c-copy to da' p-p-p-pasta al.com

The NCAA Football Rules Committee proposed today a new rule to eject college football players who target and contact defenseless players above the shoulders.

 If approved by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel next month, the infraction would result in a 15-yard penalty and automatic ejection of the player. The committee also wants to allow the ejection portion of the penalty to be reviewable through video replay.

 The NCAA says the replay official must have "conclusive evidence" that a player should not be ejected to overturn the call on the field. A post-game conference review remains part of the rule, allowing leagues to add a sanction.

 "The general consensus is that the officials on the field make this call properly the vast majority of the time and know what the committee is looking for with this foul," national coordinator of officials Rogers Redding said in a statement. "This move is being made to directly change player behavior and impact player safety."


The proposed ejection rule would mirror the penalty for fighting. If the foul happens in the first half of a game, the player is ejected for the rest of the game. If it occurs in the second half or overtime, the ejected player misses the rest of the game and the first half of the next contest.

The proposal comes at a time when college football is facing scrutiny on whether it's doing enough about concussions. Recently, President Barack Obama said he has more concern about the health of college football players than NFL players.


Redding mentioned in December there's not much that more can be changed in the rulebook without fundamentally changing football. "I'm not suggesting this at all," Redding said at the time. "But it may be at the point where we take a look at taking away any contact above the neck at all." 

Other proposals passed by the football rules committee:

 * Allow blocking below the wait during typical line of scrimmage play, just not from the side or behind. The NCAA says the previous rule was confusing.

* Allow the Big 12 to experiment with an eighth official in conference games in the offensive backfield opposite the referee.

 * Permit the use of electronic communication by on-field officiating crews after the "successful" experimentation by the SEC. The electronic communication is not required will be allowed.

 * Add a 10-second runoff with less than one minute remaining in either half when the sole reason for the clock to stop is an injury.

 * Establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. Offenses will have time for only one more play if one or two seconds remain on the clock.

 * Require a player that changes numbers during the game to report this to the referee, who will announce the change. Two players at the same position on the same team won't be allowed to have the same jersey number.

* Require teams to have either their jersey or pants contrast in color to the playing field. In other words, no all-blue uniforms for Boise State on its blue turf. As part of the Broncos' agreement to stay in the Mountain West, they would have been allowed to wear all-blue at home for conference games.

 * Allow instant replay to adjust the clock at the end of each quarter. Previously, this provision was only allowed at the end of each half.
 
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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 04:51:08 PM »


Other proposals passed by the football rules committee:

 * Allow blocking below the wait during typical line of scrimmage play, just not from the side or behind. The NCAA says the previous rule was confusing.


What's the penalty if they block above the wait?
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 05:00:42 PM »
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* Add a 10-second runoff with less than one minute remaining in either half when the sole reason for the clock to stop is an injury.

 * Establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. Offenses will have time for only one more play if one or two seconds remain on the clock.

What the fucking fuck?
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 05:08:28 PM »
Flag:



No flag:



Suspended:



The problem with these rules is that they are impossible to enforce fairly. 

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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 05:09:03 PM »
Couple of things.

Response to Snags...the intent of the rule is not for what you are referring to. It is for deliberate hits on unsuspecting players...or what I call the "Quinton Dial" rule.

In regards to THS
The 10 second run-off I totally agree with, in fact I believe the NFL does similar.  This is to stop defenses who are winded to fake injuries if their team has no TO's left.

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* Establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. Offenses will have time for only one more play if one or two seconds remain on the clock.

With this rule, I think their intent is to take away the lazy finger of the home field clock operator. They are establishing that it takes at least 3 seconds to spike a ball. Thus if you are under that time you cannot spike it because theoretically you wouldn't have time.  I really don't see this affecting the game that much.
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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 05:23:47 PM »
With this rule, I think their intent is to take away the lazy finger of the home field clock operator. They are establishing that it takes at least 3 seconds to spike a ball. Thus if you are under that time you cannot spike it because theoretically you wouldn't have time.  I really don't see this affecting the game that much.

I can spike a ball in less than three seconds.






But then again, I have a lot of experience with handling balls....
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 05:24:42 PM »
Couple of things.

Response to Snags...the intent of the rule is not for what you are referring to. It is for deliberate hits on unsuspecting players...or what I call the "Quinton Dial" rule.

In regards to THS
The 10 second run-off I totally agree with, in fact I believe the NFL does similar.  This is to stop defenses who are winded to fake injuries if their team has no TO's left.

Sure, it's a cheap way to slow down the clock.  But with this rule, you are discouraging teams that are trying to win the game in the last minute from reporting their injured.

Got a concussion?  If it's in the last minute, you're staying the fuck out there.  Oh yeah, we're going to suspend players for big hits because we care about player safety. 

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With this rule, I think their intent is to take away the lazy finger of the home field clock operator. They are establishing that it takes at least 3 seconds to spike a ball. Thus if you are under that time you cannot spike it because theoretically you wouldn't have time.  I really don't see this affecting the game that much.

I've seen many games where there was one second left after a last second spike.  The trigger finger is part of the game.  I'd be curious to see how many different outcomes there would be if this rule was in place the last fifty years. 
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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 07:02:54 PM »

I've seen many games where there was one second left after a last second spike.  The trigger finger is part of the game.  I'd be curious to see how many different outcomes there would be if this rule was in place the last fifty years. 

As have I. How much time was left on the clock in those games after the team ran the play?  This rule doesn't change anything other than to say that if you run a play and there is less than 3 seconds left you can't spike the ball.

If it were after gaining a first down the clock would stop to set the chains and you better be ready to line up and run a final play.

If they hadn't gained the first down and it was 3 seconds or less chances are there wouldn't be enough time to lineup and spike it anyways.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 08:11:13 PM »
No hijack intended, but why would this article be posted if they are not going to release any info? It's like trying to get a nut without a prostrate gland.

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Alabama Football Program Violations Released
by PopWillEatItself in Issues, February 12, 2013

Alabama football program appears to be headed for a storm.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Three National Championships in four years, an assembly line of NFL talent, domination in perhaps the toughest conference in the history of college football. And all without a blemish. In an era where we see even perrenial powerhouses Ohio State and USC succumb to the perils of NCAA Violations and sanctions, Nick Saban has built a powerhouse among the best in the history of the game without falling to these perils… or has he?

In a report expected to be released in full on Friday, a list of recruiting violations said to rival those of the SMU football program of the 1980s… the only team in the history of college athletics to receive the death penalty…. from which they still have not recovered fully… is expected.

Only excerpts have leaked thus far, but it’s enough to indicate that troubled waters lie ahead in Tuscaloosa. No statement has been made by the University or head coach Nick Saban to date; expectations are that they will wait until after the press conference.

socyberty.com/issues/alabama-football-program-violations-released/
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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 10:13:53 PM »
As have I. How much time was left on the clock in those games after the team ran the play?  This rule doesn't change anything other than to say that if you run a play and there is less than 3 seconds left you can't spike the ball.

If it were after gaining a first down the clock would stop to set the chains and you better be ready to line up and run a final play.

If they hadn't gained the first down and it was 3 seconds or less chances are there wouldn't be enough time to lineup and spike it anyways.

Unless there is?  But now we're going to say the game is over with 3 seconds left?
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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 02:42:54 AM »
No hijack intended, but why would this article be posted if they are not going to release any info? It's like trying to get a nut without a prostrate gland.

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You are here: Home » Issues » Alabama Football Program Violations Released Alabama Football Program Violations Released by PopWillEatItself in Issues, February 12, 2013

Alabama football program appears to be headed for a storm.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Three National Championships in four years, an assembly line of NFL talent, domination in perhaps the toughest conference in the history of college football. And all without a blemish. In an era where we see even perrenial powerhouses Ohio State and USC succumb to the perils of NCAA Violations and sanctions, Nick Saban has built a powerhouse among the best in the history of the game without falling to these perils… or has he?

In a report expected to be released in full on Friday, a list of recruiting violations said to rival those of the SMU football program of the 1980s… the only team in the history of college athletics to receive the death penalty…. from which they still have not recovered fully… is expected.

Only excerpts have leaked thus far, but it’s enough to indicate that troubled waters lie ahead in Tuscaloosa. No statement has been made by the University or head coach Nick Saban to date; expectations are that they will wait until after the press conference.

socyberty.com/issues/alabama-football-program-violations-released/

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Re: Volume 366 Of The NCAA Rule Book
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 11:34:32 AM »
Unless there is?  But now we're going to say the game is over with 3 seconds left?

The game is over if you don't make a first down, because there would not be enough time to lineup and spike the ball, without help from the slow handed clock operator.

I don't see this as a problem that needed to be addressed by a rules change, I'm just saying I understand the premise.
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 11:41:22 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 11:50:16 AM »
The game is over if you don't make a first down, because there would not be enough time to lineup and spike the ball, without help from the slow handed clock operator.

I don't see this as a problem that needed to be addressed by a rules change, I'm just saying I understand the premise.

Agree that it didn't need a rule change.  Hard for me to imagine that in some instances, a team couldn't get lined up and spike it, even without aid of a "homer clock operator".  Thing is, if they can't, it's game over, and no rule is needed...as you said.  I'll also leave room for the fact, that I may not truly understand the rule based on it's explanation here.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 12:23:58 PM »
The game is over if you don't make a first down, because there would not be enough time to lineup and spike the ball, without help from the slow handed clock operator.

I don't see this as a problem that needed to be addressed by a rules change, I'm just saying I understand the premise.

A first down only stops the clock until the ref blows the whistle.

So you throw a 10 yard pass, which gets you into field goal range.  You sprint down and line up to spike the ball.  Oh wait!  The clock stopped at 3 seconds.  You spike it, you lose.  Running your offense off the field and getting your special teams on the field to kick a field goal would take longer than 3 seconds.  A quick snap and spike takes way less than 3 full seconds.

You could go outside with a buddy right now and do a quick snap and spike faster than three seconds. 
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 12:30:42 PM »
There was one time in college I quick snapped in less than 3 seconds with Emma Jean Humstettler.  Couldn't help myself.  She got me all worked up.
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 12:39:07 PM »
There was one time in college I quick snapped in less than 3 seconds with Emma Jean Humstettler.  Couldn't help myself.  She got me all worked up.
You know Emma Jean? Small world. I long snapped her.
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 12:55:40 PM »
You know Emma Jean? Small world. I long snapped her.

Ha!!! Internet badass. That's what you are.  Emma Jean told me all about it and said something about it looking like a button on a fur coat.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 01:03:39 PM »
Ha!!! Internet badass. That's what you are.  Emma Jean told me all about it and said something about it looking like a button on a fur coat.
Did you kiss her? What did my button taste like?
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 01:04:53 PM »
Did you kiss her? What did my button taste like?

No, she was giggling too much after telling me the story.
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