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TX/MO Sheriffs: We will not enforce laws that violate 2A - UPDATED

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Collin County, Texas, is a large county that borders on Dallas County to the north.  Absolutely a hardcore red county - no Democrats on the ballot at all other than national and statewide races.  Elects Republicans and Libertarians only.  For that reason, he is not exactly going out on a limb with his statements, but still - it's a good sized area, with a population exceeding 800K, not some tiny little West Texas podunk country with 150 residents.

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Collin County Sheriff Terry Box says he, nor his deputies, will enforce unconstitutional gun laws put in place by whom he calls misguided politicians.

In the statement, Box said the following:

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In light of recent events I feel I need to make a public statement of my views on this subject. As the Sheriff of Collin County, Texas, I have for the past 28 years served to protect and keep safe all citizens of our county, recognizing the trust placed in me with this profoundly important responsibility.

Unfortunately, the recent surge in the numbers of innocent victims who have died at the hands of unstable criminals has prompted politicians in Washington to seek to pass laws that would seriously erode the constitutional rights of innocent and law abiding citizens.

Neither I, nor any of my deputies, will participate in the enforcement of laws that violate our precious constitutional rights, including our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

As long as I remain Sheriff of Collin County, I will not participate in the actions of misguided politicians who seek to impede our citizen’s right to all of the privileges afforded by our Constitution.

Respectfully,

Terry G. Box
Sheriff, Collin County Texas

The longtime sheriff posted the statement on his personal Facebook page over the weekend after he said  he was asked by hundreds of people urging him to do it.

Box's statement was posted just days after President Barack Obama signed a series of executive orders intended to reduce gun violence.

In a phone conversation with NBC 5 Monday, Box explained further:

"I think anytime we have a national tragedy that lawmakers in Washington and sometimes in Austin try to, what I call, a knee-jerk reaction on trying to make the public feel safe and try to create new laws. There is plenty of laws on the book that are being enforced, I hope we can prevent these tragedies."

The sheriff said nearly 200 people have commented on his Facebook page since posting the statement and that all but a few of them support his message.
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Collin County, Texas, is a large county that borders on Dallas County to the north.  Absolutely a hardcore red county - no Democrats on the ballot at all other than national and statewide races.  Elects Republicans and Libertarians only.  For that reason, he is not exactly going out on a limb with his statements, but still - it's a good sized area, with a population exceeding 800K, not some tiny little West Texas podunk country with 150 residents.

The longtime sheriff posted the statement on his personal Facebook page over the weekend after he said  he was asked by hundreds of people urging him to do it.

Box's statement was posted just days after President Barack Obama signed a series of executive orders intended to reduce gun violence.

In a phone conversation with NBC 5 Monday, Box explained further:

"I think anytime we have a national tragedy that lawmakers in Washington and sometimes in Austin try to, what I call, a knee-jerk reaction on trying to make the public feel safe and try to create new laws. There is plenty of laws on the book that are being enforced, I hope we can prevent these tragedies."

The sheriff said nearly 200 people have commented on his Facebook page since posting the statement and that all but a few of them support his message.

There is yet hope for the future. I would consider moving there. I did not realize that places like this existed within the US.
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I think that we will find in short order that if this administration thinks it can force unconstitutional, draconian, unilateral, Federal "policies" regarding gun control that this is going to be the stand of local law enforcement all over this country.  It's just my gut instinct but it is what it is...
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There is yet hope for the future. I would consider moving there. I did not realize that places like this existed within the US.

Most of you bham and mobile guys on here need to learn to get the fuck out of the city for once. Whole new world out there. Sheriffs all across the country are doing this right now and most in rural areas. Even in Oregon.
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They will be "doing it right" until they now longer receive a paycheck.  I bet their collective tunes change quickly.  Just saying...
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They will be "doing it right" until they now longer receive a paycheck.  I bet their collective tunes change quickly.  Just saying...

Are you saying the President will withhold funds to states unless they do what he says via exec order - no questions asked?
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Are you saying the President will withhold funds to states unless they do what he says via exec order - no questions asked?


I think that's what was being implied.
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I think that's what was being implied.

Stalin never used those tactics. Russians never starved because they disobeyed unilateral orders from the man in charge.
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Stalin never used those tactics. Russians never starved because they disobeyed unilateral orders from the man in charge.

That's different.  That was years ago. 
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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They will be "doing it right" until they now longer receive a paycheck.  I bet their collective tunes change quickly.  Just saying...

I suspect that there will be numerous court challenges before any consideration of collective tune changes.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 02:38:10 PM »
I suspect that there will be numerous court challenges before any consideration of collective tune changes.

You get two more SCJ to retire and he gets to appoint the replacements. It won't matter.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 02:46:09 PM »
You get two more SCJ to retire and he gets to appoint the replacements. It won't matter.

Pray that doesn't happen in the next four years.
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-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 03:37:11 PM »
You guys act like this hasn't been happening for 100 years.  Federal Government owns the purse strings, they get the States to do what they want.  That is just the way it is, doesn't make it right.

Don't want to change the drinking age to 21?  Fine.  You don't have to, but you won't receive any Highway funds unless you do.  ...What happened next?
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 03:44:26 PM »
You guys act like this hasn't been happening for 100 150 years.  Federal Government owns the purse strings, they get the States to do what they want.  That is just the way it is, doesn't make it right.

Don't want to change the drinking age to 21?  Fine.  You don't have to, but you won't receive any Highway funds unless you do.  ...What happened next?

Everyone except Louisiana changed the drinking age to 21.  Then the coonasses succumb to the pressure a few years later.
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2013, 04:35:18 PM »
You guys act like this hasn't been happening for 100 years.  Federal Government owns the purse strings, they get the States to do what they want.  That is just the way it is, doesn't make it right.

Don't want to change the drinking age to 21?  Fine.  You don't have to, but you won't receive any Highway funds unless you do.  ...What happened next?

I don't disagree with you entirely from a global standpoint; it has been going on for a long, long time but there's precedent for rebellion of sorts in the air e.g. I'm interested to see how the Imperial FedGov (and even State law enforcement agencies) act regarding the De-criminalization/ legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington (yes, I do know it's not the same as guns; just making an observation).
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2013, 04:49:33 PM »
We can sue the local sheriffs for not keeping their oaths because they are elected officials. Mayors too.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2013, 05:07:59 PM »
I don't disagree with you entirely from a global standpoint; it has been going on for a long, long time but there's precedent for rebellion of sorts in the air e.g. I'm interested to see how the Imperial FedGov (and even State law enforcement agencies) act regarding the De-criminalization/ legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington (yes, I do know it's not the same as guns; just making an observation).
Yeah, me too.  People are too subservient now a days though.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2013, 05:37:34 PM »
Yeah, me too.  People are too subservient now a days though.

Not me, I'll tell them fuck off. Then if they try to enter my domicile uninvited, helloooo 200KV continuous AC~
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2013, 05:43:00 PM »
I don't disagree with you entirely from a global standpoint; it has been going on for a long, long time but there's precedent for rebellion of sorts in the air e.g. I'm interested to see how the Imperial FedGov (and even State law enforcement agencies) act regarding the De-criminalization/ legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington (yes, I do know it's not the same as guns; just making an observation).

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Ahh but alcohol is okay? Fuck that jag-off that's against marijuana legalization.
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Re: Texas Sheriff: We will not enforce laws that violate the Second Amendment
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2013, 11:46:03 AM »
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Ahh but alcohol is okay? Fuck that jag-off that's against marijuana legalization.

bottomfeeder, my point in bringing up the marijuana legalization precedent in Colorado and Washington was that it was legalized/de-criminalized in those states not for medical use but for recreational use as I understand it.

Separately, I'm not unsympathetic to the legalization/de-criminalization of this product for either medical or recreational use (or both) based on responsible examples, methods, and models that have been demonstrated in Europe (esp. Portugal); we've debated this issue ad nauseum on this board and I do not wish to re-Hash it (if you will pardon the pun).
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson