Bunch Of Bigots. No one Recognizing Today?

That depends on how much Scotch I've had to drink; usually goes from speaking in a Scottish brogue to quoting Shakespeares' "Macbeth", "Julius Caesar", and "Henry V" right on to singing popular 18th and 19th century songs.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2013, 05:22:13 PM »

Quote from: Tarheel on January 22, 2013, 04:16:52 PM

No slaves.

The only ancestor I know of in the Civil War didn't have slaves either. My grandmother's grandfather walked from south Alabama to Montgomery to volunteer. From their he marched to Virginia, was taken as a POW in his first battle, stayed four years in prison camp (outside DC somewhere) and then walked back to south Alabama. My uncle found some papers on him, written on the bottom of his discharge from prison paper was a note that said he never got paid for the four years he was away from home.

GH2001 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:42:29 PM »

Quote from: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 22, 2013, 05:22:13 PM

The only ancestor I know of in the Civil War didn't have slaves either. My grandmother's grandfather walked from south Alabama to Montgomery to volunteer. From their he marched to Virginia, was taken as a POW in his first battle, stayed four years in prison camp (outside DC somewhere) and then walked back to south Alabama. My uncle found some papers on him, written on the bottom of his discharge from prison paper was a note that said he never got paid for the four years he was away from home.

Impossible. The good folks up north say that we're all stupid, racist and all had ancestors that owned slaves. Sorry to bust your bubble.

bgreene · « **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2013, 09:12:58 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on January 22, 2013, 02:05:00 PM

Mine didn't either...It was more of rental plan.

everyone knows, that's how rent-a-center started.

Saniflush · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2013, 09:47:58 AM »

Quote from: bgreene on January 23, 2013, 09:12:58 AM

everyone knows, that's how rent-a-center started.

Good credik, bad credik, or no credik ca call.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2013, 10:30:04 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on January 22, 2013, 10:42:29 PM

Impossible. The good folks up north say that we're all stupid, racist and all had ancestors that owned slaves. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Nope, no slaves. Just Chinese indentured servants. That's better right?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #50 on:** January 23, 2013, 10:35:45 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on January 23, 2013, 09:47:58 AM

Good credik, bad credik, or no credik ca call.

Not only could he sell people on the Rent-A-Center...he could sell a sleeperhold. You must be out if you go to twitchin' like that.

Tarheel · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2013, 11:25:10 AM »

Quote from: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 22, 2013, 05:22:13 PM

The only ancestor I know of in the Civil War didn't have slaves either. My grandmother's grandfather walked from south Alabama to Montgomery to volunteer. From their he marched to Virginia, was taken as a POW in his first battle, stayed four years in prison camp (outside DC somewhere) and then walked back to south Alabama. My uncle found some papers on him, written on the bottom of his discharge from prison paper was a note that said he never got paid for the four years he was away from home.

Could have been Point Lookout; that's where my Gr-Gr-Grandfather had been imprisoned however unlike your ancestor he died and is buried there. It was an exceedingly horrible place; far worse than the much vilified Andersonville.

My ancestor was an older man when he volunteered for the Cavalry; already had a family and kids and a tobacco farm (but no slaves). I often wondered precisely what motivated him but humans being humans I'm sure that he had the same feelings and thoughts that I have about an increasingly intrusive and imperious FedGov.

Saniflush · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2013, 11:39:35 AM »

Quote from: Tarheel on January 23, 2013, 11:25:10 AM

far worse than the much vilified Andersonville.

Yea another little tidbit you never hear about Andersonville is that the mortality rate for the guards was the same as that of the prisoners and the prisoner's own Yankee government refused to take them back when the South tried to release them.

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2013, 11:56:33 AM »

Speaking of Civil War Prison Camps........wonder why we don't teach students about Camp Douglas or it's never mentioned in any history books?

CCTAU · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2013, 08:01:14 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on January 23, 2013, 11:56:33 AM

Speaking of Civil War Prison Camps........wonder why we don't teach students about Camp Douglas or it's never mentioned in any history books?

The spoils and history go with the victor. It has been that way for centuries!
The schools in the south used to teach open mindedly about the civil war, but the great educators of the federal government have all but erased anything except slavery as the cause!

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #55 on:** January 24, 2013, 10:32:15 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on January 23, 2013, 08:01:14 PM

The spoils and history go with the victor. It has been that way for centuries!
The schools in the south used to teach open mindedly about the civil war, but the great educators of the federal government have all but erased anything except slavery as the cause!

Bullshit...

At the Gettysburg museum in Gettysburg...

GH2001 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 24, 2013, 11:05:54 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on January 24, 2013, 10:32:15 AM

Bullshit...

At the Gettysburg museum in Gettysburg...

Wow. They really do make up what they want.

Taxation? Anyone?

Tarheel · « **Reply #57 on:** January 24, 2013, 11:18:29 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on January 24, 2013, 11:05:54 AM

Wow. They really do make up what they want.

Taxation? Anyone?

You need to pay your "fair share" sir!

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #58 on:** January 24, 2013, 11:34:15 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on January 24, 2013, 11:05:54 AM

Wow. They really do make up what they want.

Taxation? Anyone?

I believe slavery was a reason for the war against the states but I believe taxation and state's rights were larger reasons. Lincoln (or his handlers) were smart enough to start molding public opinion and the history books from the very beginning. It makes it look much more palpable and just. I wish we knew the true numbers of slaves in the south vs in the north. Per capita ratio would be interesting. I've seen estimates but I suspect it's impossible to know actual numbers.

I'm glad that the type of slavery we had then is gone. I suspect progress and technology have more to do with that than bullets. And we just switched forms of slavery.

GH2001 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 24, 2013, 12:09:49 PM »

Quote from: WiregrassTiger on January 24, 2013, 11:34:15 AM

I believe slavery was a reason for the war against the states but I believe taxation and state's rights were larger reasons. Lincoln (or his handlers) were smart enough to start molding public opinion and the history books from the very beginning. It makes it look much more palpable and just. I wish we knew the true numbers of slaves in the south vs in the north. Per capita ratio would be interesting. I've seen estimates but I suspect it's impossible to know actual numbers.

I'm glad that the type of slavery we had then is gone. I suspect progress and technology have more to do with that than bullets. And we just switched forms of slavery.

Taxation was the original issue. Slavery was used to sway public opinion against the confederate side of the original taxation conflict. And Lincoln knew that. I mean, after all, who would support a side that had slavery right?? So it has become the war against slavery in modern fairy tale history. I know it's hindsight but if the south had abolished slavery on their own, the north would have lost that trump card and had no real good reason to do what they did from a PR perspective.