Elementary School Shooting

[AUTailgatingRules]

Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash

Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand

Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked

God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid

If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?

Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom


 just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm

[Godfather]

Interesting take.  So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life?  I'm genuinely curious.

I'll give you a for instance.  I believe that Jesus was the son of God.  I believe that the apostles were men and were fallible.  Noted numerous times in said bible.  Even Peter on whom the Catholic Church was built was a fallible man, whom denied Jesus himself.  I believe the teachings in the book were meant to act as a guide towards living a better life, not sodom and gomorrah, not worshiping multiple gods.

I consider myself a pretty devout Catholic, I don't however believe in every teaching that the Catholic Church feeds me.  (which would lead one to question the devout I suppose)

Based on religions teachings each religion believes their religion to be the correct one.  So God only accepts Catholics into heaven?  I don't believe that, religion itself is as much an upbringing combined with ones own demography.  I think you should believe in something, respect your God, do right by all and live your life the best way you can.

I would rather be the guy that prays every night but doesn't believe in one organized religion lives a good life vs. The Guy that goes to church every Sunday, but beats his wife and kid.

I also don't believe that a book written 2000 plus years ago gives us the answers to today's every question.  Medical advances are lightyears (bigger then that) from what was going on at the time of Jesus. So who tells us these answers, in my faith the Catholic Church/ Vatican. 

Great men of God no doubt, however I have a hard time buying into men, who have never had sex telling me I can't use todays medical advances to try and have a baby. The Catholic Churchs teaching say no artificial means.

Listen God created us all. He gave us the knowledge and free will to create these advances so I have a hard time believing he then wouldn't want us to use them. In the end it is my belief that his power is still creating the miracle of life.

[AWK]

Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash

Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand

Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked

God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid

If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?

Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom


 just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm

Lulz wut?

[Snaggletiger]

Well, it was.  And I was just adding to Godfather's comment for further discussion.

I understand and actually agree with Godfather's comments more than you know.  But, I think there's a huge difference...IF...you believe Jesus was/is the son of God.  I always have and always will.  Certainly don't live my life like it but that's another story for another time.  I agree that the Bible was written by man and as such, there are certain things that need to be taken in the context of the times in which they were written.  I believe one verse in Corinthians (Don't quote me...not a Bible scholar) instructs people to be kind to their slaves.  Appropriate for those times. Not now. You get the idea.

But the difference for me is that belief in Jesus as the son of God and the first hand accounting of his life, his works and his teachings.  Jesus didn't teach "religion".  He gave us the blueprint for how to live our lives.  Everything that he taught comes back to one central theme that transcends all religions.  Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.  It's really as simple as that for me.  Again, I don't even pretend to have an in depth knowledge of the Bible. If the preacher says turn to Phillipians...I turn to the table of contents for the page.  And I don't give a rat's fanny about learning the lineage of Abraham or any other Bible figure. My belief is what the story of Jesus' life shows us as an example of how to live our lives.  It's my decision whether or not I tithe.  Not the Methodist Church's or any other church/religion.

And THAT will be the end of my sermon and as much as you'll ever hear me speak from the pulpit.

[AUTiger1]

Just now catching up with this thread....been a little busy.

I for one am sick of hearing and reading about this.  Not that I think the victims should be forgotten and I am not heartbroken, but a little time for the parents and families of those who died to grieve in peace would be nice.   

I had to agree with Chizads post earlier.  It's not the guns that are the problem.  In the case of McVeigh it wasn't the U-Haul, fertiziler and igniter source that was the problem.  The problem was and always will be is that some people just have snakes in their head, are evil and flat out suck at life so they want to take it out on others.  Also agree with the news media giving him his 15 minutes of fame so to speak.  Now everyone in the nation and across most of the world know who this kid is.  Stop with that shit already.  Also I can't believe that the media was right there sticking a camera and mic in kids faces.  Really?  I hate the media. 

This whole situation.... tragedy sucks and is heartbreaking.  I don't know what the solution is short of making the schools prison like with armed guards and razor wire fences, but identifying "problem" kids earlier would go a long way.  Then again, schools will never do this b/c they are afraid of getting sued. 

/tiredrant

[AUJarhead]

Just now catching up with this thread....been a little busy.

Look at the plus side, Cinemax shows all the softcore shit between 1am and 5am.  You can get caught up on that.

[AUChizad]

Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.

The USA passed the Gun Free school zones act in 1990. From 1990 to today, there have been 106 mass shootings.

From 1927 to 1989, there were only 16 mass murders. The worst of all didn't use any guns, and it was in 1927. Until 1986, anyone could buy a brand new automatic weapon. Until 1968 you could mail order guns with no background check. Why didn't it happen more before?

[AUownsU]

I'll give you a for instance.  I believe that Jesus was the son of God.  I believe that the apostles were men and were fallible.  Noted numerous times in said bible.  Even Peter on whom the Catholic Church was built was a fallible man, whom denied Jesus himself.  I believe the teachings in the book were meant to act as a guide towards living a better life, not sodom and gomorrah, not worshiping multiple gods.

I consider myself a pretty devout Catholic, I don't however believe in every teaching that the Catholic Church feeds me.  (which would lead one to question the devout I suppose)

Based on religions teachings each religion believes their religion to be the correct one.  So God only accepts Catholics into heaven?  I don't believe that, religion itself is as much an upbringing combined with ones own demography.  I think you should believe in something, respect your God, do right by all and live your life the best way you can.

I would rather be the guy that prays every night but doesn't believe in one organized religion lives a good life vs. The Guy that goes to church every Sunday, but beats his wife and kid.

I also don't believe that a book written 2000 plus years ago gives us the answers to today's every question.   Medical advances are lightyears (bigger then that) from what was going on at the time of Jesus. So who tells us these answers, in my faith the Catholic Church/ Vatican. 

Great men of God no doubt, however I have a hard time buying into men, who have never had sex telling me I can't use todays medical advances to try and have a baby. The Catholic Churchs teaching say no artificial means.

Listen God created us all. He gave us the knowledge and free will to create these advances so I have a hard time believing he then wouldn't want us to use them. In the end it is my belief that his power is still creating the miracle of life.

And just to expand a little futher, its worth noting that the version of the bible we read today was edited by an English king in the mid 1500s. There is truely no telling what was omitted and what might have been embellished to fit the King's agenda during his day.

With that said, I do believe the bible is the word of God and that eventhough parts of it were written hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth, the main points of it should be followed. As in trying to live our lives in a Christ like manner.

[GH2001]

Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.

Good observation. And those are correct.

[AUownsU]

Btw, good to see some take a stand against those Westboro assholes...

http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/12/anonymous-attacks-the-westboro-baptist-church-for-sandy-hook-funeral-protest

[AU_Tiger_2000]

And just to expand a little futher, its worth noting that the version of the bible we read today was edited by an English king in the mid 1500s. There is truely no telling what was omitted and what might have been embellished to fit the King's agenda during his day.

With that said, I do believe the bible is the word of God and that eventhough parts of it were written hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth, the main points of it should be followed. As in trying to live our lives in a Christ like manner.

The English translation of the Bible we used until the mid 1970's was translated by order of an English king (who was no great guy) in the mid 1500's.  Most of the modern English translations are from the direct from Latin and Greek.

[Townhallsavoy]

The English translation of the Bible we used until the mid 1970's was translated by order of an English king (who was no great guy) in the mid 1500's.  Most of the modern English translations are from the direct from Latin and Greek.

Yep. And we have plenty of hard evidence to prove it.  Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls helped establish the Old Testament as also being accurately translated from its original text. 

[CCTAU]

Yep. And we have plenty of hard evidence to prove it.  Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls helped establish the Old Testament as also being accurately translated from its original text.

The bottom line on this issue is to pick it up and read it for yourself. Do not sit quietly in a pew (like a good little catholic) and trust another man's interpretation.

And if you do pick it up, read it, believe it, and follow it, you might or might not remain catholic. The many different flavors of religion we have today are closely based with just a few major tenets being in conflict with each other. But those tenets are ones that individuals find important enough to have a different church etc..
The bible really comes down to one truth for Christians. The surrounding issues are man's issues.

[GH2001]

The bottom line on this issue is to pick it up and read it for yourself. Do not sit quietly in a pew (like a good little catholic) and trust another man's interpretation.

And if you do pick it up, read it, believe it, and follow it, you might or might not remain catholic. The many different flavors of religion we have today are closely based with just a few major tenets being in conflict with each other. But those tenets are ones that individuals find important enough to have a different church etc..
The bible really comes down to one truth for Christians. The surrounding issues are man's issues.

I grew up catholic. I had issues with many of their beliefs and became Methodist during college.

I just had/have huge issue with the need to confess something to another mortal man or take my marching orders from the Vatican. No thanks. Not biblical and makes no practical sense in the teachings of JC. IMHO, Rome really messed up the catholic church.

[AUTiger1]

Look at the plus side, Cinemax shows all the softcore shit between 1am and 5am.  You can get caught up on that.

True dat.

Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.

 

[Saniflush]

I grew up catholic. I had issues with many of their beliefs and became Methodist during college.

We like to refer to that as Roman Catholic twice removed.

[AUChizad]

Samuel Mothafuckin' Jackson gets it:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-connecticut-shooting-samuel-jackson-gun-control-20121216,0,2690925.story

Shooting: Samuel Jackson says fewer guns aren't necessarily the answer

By Steven Zeitchik

December 16, 2012, 5:27 p.m.

The shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., have stirred up a slew of gun-control sentiment in Hollywood.

But an actor who stars in perhaps the most gun-heavy movie of the season says that an abundance of firearms in this country isn't necessarily the problem, and that reducing them isn't automatically the answer.

"I don't think it's about more gun control," said Samuel L. Jackson, who stars as a conniving house slave in Quentin Tarantino's upcoming revenge fantasy "Django Unchained." "I grew up in the South with guns everywhere and we never shot anyone. This [shooting] is about people who aren't taught the value of life."

Parents and role models who emphasize that value, he said, will accomplish more than legislators reducing the number of firearms.

Tarantino's movie features numerous scenes of gun violence, including two major shootouts in the final section involving Jamie Foxx's title character. Jackson's character, Stephen, figures prominently in both scenes, though he's a lot more likely to use his scheming mind as a weapon.

Jackson waved aside the idea that on-screen violence has an influence on someone who decides to behave violently in real life.

"I don't think movies or video games have anything to do with it," he said in an interview with The Times for an upcoming article about him. (Jackson has appeared in a public-service announcement calling for a reduction of violence in the inner city.)

On Sunday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said she had introduced a bill to again ban assault weapons following the shooting that killed more than two dozen people, most of them children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

Activists have also called for closing the "gun show loophole," under which people can purchase guns without a background check.

Jackson acknowledged that restrictions of this sort could reduce the amount of firearm-related violence. "We need to stop deranged people from getting access to guns," he said.

[AUChizad]

Try not to rage.

[Snaggletiger]

Watched a report last night where a gun shop owner was being interviewed.  The reporter asked him how fast he could change out the clip on the AR-15 (I think that's what it's called) he was holding.  30 round clip out...pop....30 round clip in.  3 seconds max.  The owner said it would have made no difference whether or not the guy had a 30 round clip or a 10 round clip given how fast you can change them out.  In addition, he said he carries 60 round clips but sold out of all 2,000 he had in the last 4 days alone.

[WiregrassTiger]

Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash

Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand

Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked

God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid

If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?

Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom


 just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm

Well stated. My only addition is that even if evolution is proven 100% (which many would argue that it is), I have zero problem with keeping my faith. Just because I have a tail bone doesn't prove to me that I wasn't created by God.