And the winner is...

Tiger Wench · « **on:** October 03, 2012, 11:42:44 PM »

WOW. The libs are freaking the fuck out, and the folks on Fox are positively GIDDY.

It's a whole new horse race, folks.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2012, 11:49:42 PM »

Fox put on one of the more ridiculous circus shows I've ever seen when Hannity started.

Some fat guy was polling a room full of "undecided" fat white people in Colorado. The majority switched from Obama or undecided to Romney. Never before seen results! Wow!

I switched it over to MSNBC to see some dickhead, dyke-douche guy insulting the hell out of Rudy Giuliani by attacking his character and trying to link him to accepting money from homeland security. Rudy owned his ass and then Mad-SheBitch-Dow came on to say a bunch of nonsensical comments before sending it over to coke-fiend Sharpton who looks like he could wither away at any moment.

My opinion of the debate:

Romney was definitely the aggressor, and Obama looked really laid back. I think Obama should have set the tone for the debate early on when Romney started his "that's not true, here's what I really believe" counterarguments to everything Obama said. If Obama really believed in his statements and facts, he should have hammered Romney early, but he didn't and that killed him. Obama could have called a run blitz to stop the runs up the middle but instead, he sat back in zone and let Romney run off tackle and run counter plays all night.

Romney to me seemed a bit insecure in his stance among the American people. He was so aggressive and so quick to interject his point that it seemed like he was scared the voting public didn't really know who he is. But all in all, he opposed everything Obama claimed about him and was able to attack Obama's record. If people were listening and cared, they have no reason to not lean towards Romney based on tonight's debate.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:06:51 AM »

I'm just in it for the laughs:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

If Obama losing gets meltdowns like that, I vote for Romney. That should be on his campaign.

DnATL · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:07:28 AM »

Romney beat his ass so bad, it might be considered a hate crime

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:11:54 AM »

More hilarity -

The Left's first spin tactic: Romney was a bully and took up too much time for Obama to talk.

Except Obama had 4 more minutes of talking time than Romney.

bottomfeeder · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:45:15 AM »

Romney by a mudslide. Dennis Miller had the best tweets. https://twitter.com/DennisDMZ

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Dennis Miller Show â€@DennisDMZ

Romney keeps this up Obama's gonna vote for him.

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Dennis Miller Show â€@DennisDMZ

Obama defending the last 4 years is like the Charlotte Bobcat coach defending last season.

AUChizad · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2012, 09:34:49 AM »

As one of the small group of voters who are actually informed, yet undecided - i.e. the core demographic these debates are aimed towards - count me among those impressed with Romney.

Honestly, I thought Obama was going to "win" this debate. I thought tonight's VP debates would be where the Republican mopped the floor. That is likely to still happen.

This is the "etch a sketch" that Romney had talked about. I hope that this is the real, unfiltered Romney, and I think that it is. I attribute much of his awkwardness that turned a lot of people off of him directly to trying to appease the fundamentalist/tea party base. This was the moderate candidate that I had liked early in the primaries. If the Republicans were running any of the other candidates, you would not see the success you are seeing now after the debates. The only one who could have come close would have been Gingrich, but his general likability likely would have netted a loss.

One thing's for sure, Big Bird is not voting for Romney.

Saniflush · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2012, 09:41:01 AM »

Fuck PBS. Their time has passed.

They had the opportunity to follow the discovery channel/history channel model years ago and said fuck it.

AUChizad · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2012, 09:54:53 AM »

Both candidates seemed to have left the bullshit aside and shot straight, letting their policies stand on their own. I like that.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/

The only two items that were determined "mostly false", was Romney claiming that six independent studies backed his tax plan over Obama's where supposedly it was only two, and Romney saying Obama put in place a board that determines what treatments a person can receive. While they are not a "death panel" that determines individual treatments for individual people, they can reduce funding to hospitals with high re-admission rates, and thereby indirectly "determining" what treatments a person can receive. This is actually a part of the plan I agree with, and think is necessary for reducing wasteful government spending.

All that said, the two "mostly false" statements basically come down to semantics, and are not, in my opinion, egregious bullshit. That's a step in the right direction for actually discussing the issues, and letting policy speak for itself.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2012, 10:19:47 AM »

Quote from: AUChizad on October 04, 2012, 09:54:53 AM

Both candidates seemed to have left the bullshit aside and shot straight, letting their policies stand on their own. I like that.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/

The only two items that were determined "mostly false", was Romney claiming that six independent studies backed his tax plan over Obama's where supposedly it was only two, and Romney saying Obama put in place a board that determines what treatments a person can receive. While they are not a "death panel" that determines individual treatments for individual people, they can reduce funding to hospitals with high re-admission rates, and thereby indirectly "determining" what treatments a person can receive. This is actually a part of the plan I agree with, and think is necessary for reducing wasteful government spending.

All that said, the two "mostly false" statements basically come down to semantics, and are not, in my opinion, egregious bullshit. That's a step in the right direction for actually discussing the issues, and letting policy speak for itself.

But to hear the left talk today...they are flat out calling Romney out for lying. Calling him a liar. Basically saying that his 6 trillion dollar plan will have to raise taxes for the middle class...when Romney specifically said there are 3 ways to lower the deficit. Raise taxes from the people paying now, cut programs that are not essential to the government, and raise the total population of tax paying americans by creating jobs. He said he wanted to do the last 2 and had no interest in the first. Yet this morning, all the left wants to talk about is the first.

GH2001 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2012, 10:54:27 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on October 04, 2012, 10:19:47 AM

But to hear the left talk today...they are flat out calling Romney out for lying. Calling him a liar. Basically saying that his 6 trillion dollar plan will have to raise taxes for the middle class...when Romney specifically said there are 3 ways to lower the deficit. Raise taxes from the people paying now, cut programs that are not essential to the government, and raise the total population of tax paying americans by creating jobs. He said he wanted to do the last 2 and had no interest in the first. Yet this morning, all the left wants to talk about is the first.

Agree

I'll take the successful businessmans word on economic theory and numbers over the community organizer.

Good insightful post by Chizad as well. Summed it up nice. The lack of the moderators control was a plus to me. It allowed for a very raw unfiltered debate closer to Lincoln Douglas style. Color me wrong about Romney. I really thought during the GOP nomination process that the Obama machine would rip him apart during the debates. Not even close. That was nuts last night. Not sure I've quote seen an ass ripping that bad during a debate. Maybe Reagan/Mondale.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2012, 10:58:55 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on October 04, 2012, 09:41:01 AM

Fuck PBS. Their time has passed.

They had the opportunity to follow the discovery channel/history channel model years ago and said fuck it.

Reality tv and shows about alien conspiracies?

Leave PBS alone, please.

GH2001 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:01:43 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 04, 2012, 10:58:55 AM

Reality tv and shows about alien conspiracies?

Leave PBS alone, please.

Hey hey, pawn stars fucking rox!

Saniflush · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:20:19 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 04, 2012, 10:58:55 AM

Reality tv and shows about alien conspiracies?

Leave PBS alone, please.

Carl Sagan is dead....

Fuck PBS.

Not my job to subsidize shitty programming.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:23:19 AM »

Also light from Venus reflected off a weather balloon and there was this swamp gas you see..... Global Warming!! That's it! And Bush! It was his fault you see...and Romney used up all the time....and ate all the pre debate snacks and Obama's sugar got low....lockbox.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:30:11 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 04, 2012, 10:58:55 AM

Reality tv and shows about alien conspiracies?

Leave PBS alone, please.

If you had to borrow money from your neighbor to enjoy PBS...would you do it?

CCTAU · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:47:47 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on October 04, 2012, 11:30:11 AM

If you had to borrow money from your neighbor to enjoy PBS...would you do it?

Hells yeah. It's my neighbors money. As long as it don't come out of my pocket.......

Oh wait. I see what you did there.......

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:06:32 PM »

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"For so long Barack Obama has assumed that he will not face cross-examination from the media that he simply has little grasp of policy details, and in exasperation seems to look around for the accustomed helpful media crutch. But there is no such subsidy in a one-on-one debate, and only now it becomes clear just how the media for the last six years have enfeebled their favorite. And unlike 2008, there is now an Obama record to defend, rather than just repeating hope-and-change platitudes and vague generalities that have worked in the past. Romney is an effective debater and had a wealth of detail at his grasp that seemed to stun Obama, as if such a skilled opponent was not supposed to be part of the script. In essence, Obama looked tired, in the Nixonian mode, and he sounded like a petulant 1980 Jimmy Carter." - Victor Davis Hanson

Obama looking to the moderator for help last night was LAUGHABLE.

I also thought of the Nixon analogy last night. In his televised Kennedy debates, Nixon came across as tired and his five o'clock shadow made him appear hulking and sinister. Obama's body language and refusal to engage Romney face to face worked against him badly last night. Even if you turn the sound off and watch the debate, it is clear who won, just from body language.

Rubio said it too: the media and his staff has so carefully protected this President from having to face the tough questions. Teleprompters, sympathetic journalists, scripted interviews, censoring of news articles - now the chickens are coming home to roost and when their boy is thrown out there and left to his own devices, he is um... uh... you know... totally and woefully unprepared and uninformed, and unable to rise to the challenges being thrown at him about his policies and plans and most of all his dismal record from the last four years.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:20:51 PM »

Guys and gals, chill out. The next debate will be closer to sea level, and Obama is going to own it:

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"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today â€” just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:33:06 PM »

Quote from: Tiger Wench on October 04, 2012, 12:06:32 PM

Obama looking to the moderator for help last night was LAUGHABLE.

I also thought of the Nixon analogy last night. In his televised Kennedy debates, Nixon came across as tired and his five o'clock shadow made him appear hulking and sinister. Obama's body language and refusal to engage Romney face to face worked against him badly last night. Even if you turn the sound off and watch the debate, it is clear who won, just from body language.

Rubio said it too: the media and his staff has so carefully protected this President from having to face the tough questions. Teleprompters, sympathetic journalists, scripted interviews, censoring of news articles - now the chickens are coming home to roost and when their boy is thrown out there and left to his own devices, he is um... uh... you know... totally and woefully unprepared and uninformed, and unable to rise to the challenges being thrown at him about his policies and plans and most of all his dismal record from the last four years.

May not have been the best choice of words.