Why There's No Way Chizik Loses His Job

[GH2001]

Position coaches coach under the direction of the coordinators, and the HC.  The problem I mentioned about practices being soft, and with no intensity, are a direct reflection of only one man.  Chiz.  I was in the "not time to pull the plug yet" crowd until I heard that, and that's all I need to know. 

How far down the slope do we have to decline before Jacobs admits the mistake?  When will this recruiting class we currently have commits from start jumping ship?  With a loss to ULM?  6, 7, 8 losses?  I ask because if we lose Sat. that's going to be the mantra being pumped on the airwaves, and message boards...that these recruits have signed on to a sinking ship, and the staff at Auburn won't be there past 2013, if that long.

Thats what worries me. How far into the coming years will this affect us? If we see the writing on the wall now, do we limit our losses and cut now? Who would we get? I hate to say it, but a jet getting cranked up would not bother me in the least. Unless there is a 180 done and Chiz all of a sudden has a come to jesus meeting with himself and gets fired up, I can't see this ending well. Just trying to be realistic. It is what it is. Weve been making excuses the last 12 months - it's time to accept some hard fucking facts. And one of those is that some people were right about Chiz from the start.

[Townhallsavoy]

Teams, and Staffs take on the personality of the HC.  That's the way I see it.  An old school, hard ass coach might come in at first and be aggressive, but if the atmosphere of the whole program is soft, then he'll eventually ratchet it down too.

Not only that, but the head coach also sets up the schedule and tempo of the practice.

I hate to reference those shitheads in Tuscaloser, but I remember reading about how Saban changed the practice schedule when he was first hired.  They said his practice schedule was set up to have less time between drills and very little wait time between turns.  So for the player's workout during practice, it had nothing to do with how intense Saban was vocally, it was everything to do with how hard he was having to work just to get through it. 

I don't know how Chizik has it set up.  I don't know if any of this is factual, but it would explain a lot about the softness of our defense. 

[JR4AU]

Thats what worries me. How far into the coming years will this affect us? If we see the writing on the wall now, do we limit our losses and cut now? Who would we get? I hate to say it, but a jet getting cranked up would not bother me in the least. Unless there is a 180 done and Chiz all of a sudden has a come to jesus meeting with himself and gets fired up, I can't see this ending well. Just trying to be realistic. It is what it is. Weve been making excuses the last 12 months - it's time to accept some hard fucking facts. And one of those is that some people were right about Chiz from the start.

Assuming my bud means "raw undeveloped young players" when he says "no talent" or that it just appears we have no talent because it's not been developed, it doesn't have to take long to turn it around, it only takes someone making a hard decision, and following through, and not rationalizing "but he won an NC, and it's only a couple of losses". 

[JR4AU]

Not only that, but the head coach also sets up the schedule and tempo of the practice.

I hate to reference those shitheads in Tuscaloser, but I remember reading about how Saban changed the practice schedule when he was first hired.  They said his practice schedule was set up to have less time between drills and very little wait time between turns.  So for the player's workout during practice, it had nothing to do with how intense Saban was vocally, it was everything to do with how hard he was having to work just to get through it. 

I don't know how Chizik has it set up.  I don't know if any of this is factual, but it would explain a lot about the softness of our defense.

100% guarantee it's factual. 

[Kaos]

They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?

CEO or fired up in your face practice coach?

I've owned my own business for a long time.  It's grown slowly enough that I could manage things but I'm at a crossroads now. 

I had a good friend of mine who owned a much larger company come in and help me look at people, processes, the whole nine yards. 

We'd barely begun the process when he told me I had to make a decision and everything else would stem from that. 

"You can either work or you can run the business.  If you run the business you cannot lose direction by diving into the minute details, handling the programming or customer support yourself.  You hire people to do that.  If you want to work, if you want to be a hands on, doing things person you are going to have to hire someone to run the business.  They can report to you and you can help guide the decisions but you have to let them manage everything else.  So which is it?  Work or run the business?" 

Chizik can't be CEO and do the rest. 

[JR4AU]

CEO or fired up in your face practice coach?

I've owned my own business for a long time.  It's grown slowly enough that I could manage things but I'm at a crossroads now. 

I had a good friend of mine who owned a much larger company come in and help me look at people, processes, the whole nine yards. 

We'd barely begun the process when he told me I had to make a decision and everything else would stem from that. 

"You can either work or you can run the business.  If you run the business you cannot lose direction by diving into the minute details, handling the programming or customer support yourself.  You hire people to do that.  If you want to work, if you want to be a hands on, doing things person you are going to have to hire someone to run the business.  They can report to you and you can help guide the decisions but you have to let them manage everything else.  So which is it?  Work or run the business?" 

Chizik can't be CEO and do the rest.

I get the point, and agree, but what does it mean here.  He, as CEO sets the tone.  He determines the pace, and intensity of practice, then leaves to the ACs to get it done.  Are you saying BVG and Martinez can't get an intense Def. practice going if they want?  Loeffler, I don't know about.

[GH2001]

I get the point, and agree, but what does it mean here.  He, as CEO sets the tone.  He determines the pace, and intensity of practice, then leaves to the ACs to get it done.  Are you saying BVG and Martinez can't get an intense Def. practice going if they want?  Loeffler, I don't know about.

Maybe K is saying Chiz is trying to do both?? Or doesn't have the ability to do both. But even as CEO, he hires the management under him who do the day to day tasks. All still falls on him. Weve had 4 coordinators now and still the same steaming pile of shit product and issues on the field. Tells me what I need to know.

[JR4AU]

Maybe K is saying Chiz is trying to do both?? Or doesn't have the ability to do both. But even as CEO, he hires the management under him who do the day to day tasks. All still falls on him. Weve had 4 coordinators now and still the same steaming pile of shit product and issues on the field. Tells me what I need to know.

3 years of top 10 classes, that's our Fr., Soph., and Jr.s.  Sr and Red Shirt Sr. (going back to 2008) both top 20 classes.  The product on the field does not reflect what recruiting says it should.  I have a bammer that tells me we've had lots of attrition from those classes, and that's the problem.  Well, if so, why is it we're almost up to capacity with @80 players, and can't even sign a full 25 this year?  I know some have left for various reasons, but has it been that many?    How did we get up to capacity?

[Kaos]

3 years of top 10 classes, that's our Fr., Soph., and Jr.s.  Sr and Red Shirt Sr. (going back to 2008) both top 20 classes.  The product on the field does not reflect what recruiting says it should.  I have a bammer that tells me we've had lots of attrition from those classes, and that's the problem.  Well, if so, why is it we're almost up to capacity with @80 players, and can't even sign a full 25 this year?  I know some have left for various reasons, but has it been that many?    How did we get up to capacity?

How many of those guys are still around?   I hear the same bammer bullshit too but I'm too lazy to do the research. 

"If ya'll take away all them kids what left the program ya'll ain't got no top nothin' class. Ya'll about 50th. And how come if ya'll such good damn recrooters how come ya'll can't get no players to come there? Huh? What did ya'll sign, 15 last year?"

I counted like eight or nine that were gone from the 2010 class and about that many gone from 2009.  Never heard of a lot of the names. 

[jmar]

As has been stated...Frazier is actually worse.  The OL is giving enough time, so maybe Moseley doesn't go all fetaltard if he's getting protection. 

Moseley 2011: 66/108 (61%) 7.4 YPA, 5TD/3Int

Frazier 2012: 24/49 (49%) 6.5 YPA 1TD/4Int   

But then he may be the Moseley version of Todd08 with the injured arm, so who knows?  If it were me, I'd give Wallace a series or 2 this Saturday, and just see what he looks like in live action.

Not exactly sure who brought this up and I don't know what offense Wallace ran in high school but it would seem that Frazier ran enough last season when opposing defenses knew what was coming to at least show he can take contact. It would also seem that we have sufficient depth in the offensive line and the right combination of backs to truly be multiple. Why can we not install series featuring elements of the veer, I-veer and combine it with some misdirection and some reads from the shotgun ? (to which Frazier is accustomed) I'm not talking about a total sell-out just something to try and breathe some life into this offense. I hated the offense in hs and it's like watching Lou Holtz pace the sideline (or paint dry) to me but it is effective if ran properly. We can't complete even the simple passes anyway so what's the harm? Loeffler IS supposed to be multiple. Maybe we can grind out some long clock eating drives and occaisionally burn 'em with some quick slants, swing passes and screens in mismatches when they start cheating up. Not saying it would go smoothly at first but what we are seeing now is going nowhere.

[JR4AU]

Not exactly sure who brought this up and I don't know what offense Wallace ran in high school but it would seem that Frazier ran enough last season when opposing defenses knew what was coming to at least show he can take contact. It would also seem that we have sufficient depth in the offensive line and the right combination of backs to truly be multiple. Why can we not install series featuring elements of the veer, I-veer and combine it with some misdirection and some reads from the shotgun ? (to which Frazier is accustomed) I'm not talking about a total sell-out just something to try and breathe some life into this offense. I hated the offense in hs and it's like watching Lou Holtz pace the sideline (or paint dry) to me but it is effective if ran properly. We can't complete even the simple passes anyway so what's the harm? Loeffler IS supposed to be multiple. Maybe we can grind out some long clock eating drives and occaisionally burn 'em with some quick slants, swing passes and screens in mismatches when they start cheating up. Not saying it would go smoothly at first but what we are seeing now is going nowhere.

Go ahead, keep thinking it's about scheme and play calling.

[JR4AU]

How many of those guys are still around?   I hear the same bammer bullshit too but I'm too lazy to do the research. 

"If ya'll take away all them kids what left the program ya'll ain't got no top nothin' class. Ya'll about 50th. And how come if ya'll such good damn recrooters how come ya'll can't get no players to come there? Huh? What did ya'll sign, 15 last year?"

I counted like eight or nine that were gone from the 2010 class and about that many gone from 2009.  Never heard of a lot of the names.

I have not done the research either to find out if true.  Bottom line, whether inability to get them in school, or retain most of them, or get them coached up if you retain them, it's all the same.

[Yoda]

Go ahead, keep thinking it's about scheme and play calling.

To an extent it is.  Frazier can not handle what Loeffler wants to do with the offense.  I will be very surprised if he does not alter his pro attack on saturday.  If he does not then he is not doing his job.  As an offensive coordinator he has to adjust his offense to the talent he has and find something that will work to a degree.

[JR4AU]

To an extent it is.  Frazier can not handle what Loeffler wants to do with the offense.  I will be very surprised if he does not alter his pro attack on saturday.  If he does not then he is not doing his job.  As an offensive coordinator he has to adjust his offense to the talent he has and find something that will work to a degree.

May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group."   Not and be good at any of it anyway.

[Yoda]

May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group."   Not and be good at any of it anyway.

Especially for a first time coordinator, but he should be able to make some adjustments to fit our strengths.  It did come out of his mouth that he could run multiple types of offenses.

[JR4AU]

Especially for a first time coordinator, but he should be able to make some adjustments to fit our strengths.  It did come out of his mouth that he could run multiple types of offenses.

When your QB can only execute a handoff, you're pretty fucking limited.  Blame him for not coaching him up to be better, but please don't talk about calling different plays for a guy that's proved he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yards.

[Yoda]

When your QB can only execute a handoff, you're pretty fucking limited.  Blame him for not coaching him up to be better, but please don't talk about calling different plays for a guy that's proved he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yards.

Is it not his job to prepare him to make these throws?  And no he can't hit the broad side of a barn when throwing from under center but I have seen him make completions from the gun with no pressure.  I don't disagree with the fact that Frazier sucks, I also agree that it is difficult for Loeffler to call plays due to his limitations but it is also his job to figure something out.  And his play calling in the red zone has been shit, as you pointed out Frazier can hand the ball off.

[djsimp]

Frazier is on his way to being the next Kody Burns.

[jmar]

May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group."   Not and be good at any of it anyway.

I haven't seen one post here advocating a complete change of scheme.  Incorporating elements of a read option might jump start our offense so others can get more involved.

[Tiger Wench]

Frazier is on his way to being the next Kody Burns.

Kodi wound up being a team player and a valuable leader.  One could only hope that Frazier winds up like Kodi.  Right now, jury is out.