Why There's No Way Chizik Loses His Job

JR4AU · « **Reply #80 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:54:09 PM »

Quote from: AWK on September 13, 2012, 12:47:55 PM

You guys are bashing JR, but regardless of Skreetz, the only explanation for the shittiness of this team is coaching.... So he can't be that far off in his skreetz.

Don't normally have skreetz, but I do know several former players, one of which has the information I relayed first hand. I didn't go looking for this, he simply offered it up. He as personally at the Clemson game, and been allowed at practices. It absolutely explains everything we're seeing on the field as far as I'm concerned.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #81 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:01:03 PM »

Not sure if I believe the recruiting thing since it seems that these coaches excel there.

The practice thing, I would believe is probably right on. I just don't think the team is mentally or physically strong enough to compete right now. I just hope it changes...

JR4AU · « **Reply #82 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:02:57 PM »

Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.

When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.

JR4AU · « **Reply #83 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:05:12 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on September 13, 2012, 01:01:03 PM

Not sure if I believe the recruiting thing since it seems that these coaches excel there.

The practice thing, I would believe is probably right on. I just don't think the team is mentally or physically strong enough to compete right now. I just hope it changes...

Only relaying the information I got.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #84 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:06:13 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on September 13, 2012, 01:02:57 PM

Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.

When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.

It is the only thing that makes sense really...

It will be interesting to try and get a feel of what Vangorder is thinking throughout the year...

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #85 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:06:29 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on September 13, 2012, 01:02:57 PM

Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.

When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.

I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #86 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:08:41 PM »

Quote from: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2012, 01:06:29 PM

I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?

Uh, no. Fairley disrupted shit like a mother fucker...but that is about it...

JR4AU · « **Reply #87 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:09:02 PM »

Quote from: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2012, 01:06:29 PM

I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?

Those guys had played and been developed as younger players by a staff that I know for a fact held highly intense practices.

Discount whatever you want.

I'm not:

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #88 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:10:56 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on September 13, 2012, 01:08:41 PM

Uh, no. Fairley disrupted shit like a mother fucker...but that is about it...

I meant as a team overall. Yes we were (or so it seemed) soft on defense.

JR4AU · « **Reply #89 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:12:30 PM »

Quote from: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2012, 01:10:56 PM

I meant as a team overall.

We were not an overly physical team, but weren't soft either. This team is soft. They get pushed around. Frazier can't adjust to the speed of the game.

JR4AU · « **Reply #90 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:23:28 PM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on September 13, 2012, 01:06:13 PM

It is the only thing that makes sense really...

It will be interesting to try and get a feel of what Vangorder is thinking throughout the year...

You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.

Yoda · « **Reply #91 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:51:20 PM »

I didn't need skreetz to figure this shit out, it's obvious by watching this team degress from year to year. It's very obvious to see that Chizik can't teach players to get better. He has a new staff this year and nothing has improved he is getting in the way of improving players development, he is the only constant.

Yes he was a great D coordinator while at Auburn but was also under TT rule, his defense while at Texas not so much. He happen to have a great QB and offense to play by his current bend but don't break philosophy.

GH2001 · « **Reply #92 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:52:36 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on September 13, 2012, 01:23:28 PM

You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.

I don't doubt what you are saying at all. It pretty much just confirms what many on here have thought about player development. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone who has watched 5 mins of Auburn football the last 2 years.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #93 on:** September 13, 2012, 01:55:31 PM »

Godfather · « **Reply #94 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:06:14 PM »

Quote from: Yoda on September 13, 2012, 01:51:20 PM

I didn't need skreetz to figure this shit out, it's obvious by watching this team degress from year to year. It's very obvious to see that Chizik can't teach players to get better. He has a new staff this year and nothing has improved he is getting in the way of improving players development, he is the only constant.

Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.

JR4AU · « **Reply #95 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:14:42 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on September 13, 2012, 01:55:31 PM

To exactly what?

JR4AU · « **Reply #96 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:19:09 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 13, 2012, 02:06:14 PM

Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.

Position coaches coach under the direction of the coordinators, and the HC. The problem I mentioned about practices being soft, and with no intensity, are a direct reflection of only one man. Chiz. I was in the "not time to pull the plug yet" crowd until I heard that, and that's all I need to know.

How far down the slope do we have to decline before Jacobs admits the mistake? When will this recruiting class we currently have commits from start jumping ship? With a loss to ULM? 6, 7, 8 losses? I ask because if we lose Sat. that's going to be the mantra being pumped on the airwaves, and message boards...that these recruits have signed on to a sinking ship, and the staff at Auburn won't be there past 2013, if that long.

AUChizad · « **Reply #97 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:19:38 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on September 13, 2012, 01:23:28 PM

You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.

See, this is my problem with the theory.

Not saying it's far off, but I would think the pace, tempo, and aggressiveness of practices would or should be set more by the coordinators and the position coaches, no?

They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?

JR4AU · « **Reply #98 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:22:38 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on September 13, 2012, 02:19:38 PM

See, this is my problem with the theory.

Not saying it's far off, but I would think the pace, tempo, and aggressiveness of practices would or should be set more by the coordinators and the position coaches, no?

They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?

Teams, and Staffs take on the personality of the HC. That's the way I see it. An old school, hard ass coach might come in at first and be aggressive, but if the atmosphere of the whole program is soft, then he'll eventually ratchet it down too.

GH2001 · « **Reply #99 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:25:13 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 13, 2012, 02:06:14 PM

Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.

I don't think so Tim.

The Bates thing on the sideline Saturday made me like Taylor a lot more and Chiz a lot less. His way or the highway. Funny thing is, that mentality got his predecessor fired. It all comes from the top down. PERIOD. I'm sick of excuses. Literally sick of them. It's him. I'm with JR on this one.