Penn State sanction preditions

Kaos · « **on:** July 23, 2012, 02:52:42 AM »

Got any predictions for the NCAA ruling on Penn State?

Yeah. I got one.

Pain.

The Prowler · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:51:17 AM »

Here's my prediction....

(NCAA is Ivan Drago)

AUJarhead · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:53:32 AM »

My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.

The Six · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:39:56 AM »

GH2001 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:05:54 AM »

Quote from: AUJarhead on July 23, 2012, 06:53:32 AM

My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.

I like the way you think. Might as well give em the death penalty. They need to be cleansed completely.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:24:53 AM »

I would add some "symbolic" punishments also. Vacating some wins/National Championships (particularly from when Sandusky was DC) and possibly removing Joe Pa from the record books.

GH2001 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:26:32 AM »

Quote from: AUJarhead on July 23, 2012, 06:53:32 AM

My guess: 40 M in fines, 3 years no bowls, 1 year no tv, loss of 40 scholarships.

Nice prediction Jarhead. Very close.

Fine of 60 million
No Bowl and postseason for 4 years
Scholarships reduced to 15 per year for 4 years
Vacates 1998-2011 wins (112 total - 111 from Joe Pa's record making Bowden the leader again)
5 years probation

WOW

djsimp · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:34:59 AM »

So I'll be like 70 when Penn State has a decent football team again, if ever.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:43:47 AM »

That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.

The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.

USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.

The Six · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:46:05 AM »

Quote from: djsimp on July 23, 2012, 09:34:59 AM

So I'll be like 70 when Penn State has a decent football team again, if ever.

When's the last time they were actually good? 199-something? They get propped up like Notre Dame and Bammer minus the Saban era.

Pfft...Penn State.

The Six · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:47:37 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 09:43:47 AM

That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.

The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.

USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.

PSU benefits from not having rivals out to get them like SMU did (Texas and Oklahoma). If Ohio State could have said anything, they would have but they have their own sketchy recent run to get over so they kept the trap shut and monitored Urban's heart health.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:52:19 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 09:43:47 AM

That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.

Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.

GH2001 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:05:32 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on July 23, 2012, 09:52:19 AM

Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.

Zak Lee.

USC and PSU aren't even comparable. And as of late, USC was a much healthier program. They have California to themselves with boocoodles of talent to choose from. These two situations aren't even close to the same. 4 years of no bowls or postseason?? Holy shit. That will affect their current roster and recruiting (which already wasn't good).

GH2001 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:07:27 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 09:43:47 AM

That's not as crippling as I thought it would be.

The fine, the vacated wins, and probation don't really mean anything.

USC lost postseason play for 2 years and lost 30 scholarships over a 3 year period, and the year they start getting it all back, they're favored to compete in the national championship. Penn State obviously will have a more difficult time overcoming the stigma of being the school that housed child rape, but as for sanctions, this isn't impossible to endure by any means.

I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".

Saniflush · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:09:05 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on July 23, 2012, 10:07:27 AM

I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".

And of course that doesn't even count the amounts that are going to be settled on with the civil suits.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:09:43 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on July 23, 2012, 09:52:19 AM

Balderdash. That's a fucking hammer.

My point was that Penn State definitely isn't finished off for good. The "source" yesterday said it would have been better for Penn State to receive the death penalty.

They're still on TV. They can still bring in 65 scholarship players in four years. They can still play next season. In two years, they can recruit Pennsylvania players that always dreamed of playing at Penn State. They can promise them that they'll be the lifeblood of the program's future. Their names will be on the wall. They will play in the school's first bowl game since sanctions.

Now I did just read that players can transfer immediately without sitting out a year. That may cripple them more immediately if many take off. Also, it looks like Delaney is going to announce his own penalties in a few hours.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:11:50 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on July 23, 2012, 10:05:32 AM

USC and PSU aren't even comparable. And as of late, USC was a much healthier program. They have California to themselves with boocoodles of talent to choose from. These two situations aren't even close to the same.

That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.

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I am glad you think a 60 million dollar fine means nothing. That's their one year revenue - that number was picked for a reason. And even for PSU (a money rich school), thats a hefty price for just a "fine".

1.2 billion dollar endowment and plenty of booster money to contribute. It sucks for them, but $60 million, as I said before, doesn't do anything to their on the field performance.

Since they don't have to pay for 40 scholarhips, can they use that money to help pay the fine?

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:24:47 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 10:11:50 AM

That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.

The got damn Germans ain't got nuthin' to do with it!

Sumbitch

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:28:04 AM »

In much more important news, Auburn is now 12th in all time NCAA wins.

GH2001 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:52:13 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 10:11:50 AM

That's not germane to the conversation. The penalties aren't much different. The NCAA can't decide on penalties based on how good a football team is supposed to be.

1.2 billion dollar endowment and plenty of booster money to contribute. It sucks for them, but $60 million, as I said before, doesn't do anything to their on the field performance.

Since they don't have to pay for 40 scholarhips, can they use that money to help pay the fine?

1. The endowment won't be 1.2 billion after this year.

2. An endowment doesn't just go to sports. And it isn't just "pure profit" that can be squandered. PSU is a big research institute that has a lot of costs.

My guess is this money will come from various sources including some from the AD. And as Sani said, lots of civil litigation is on going. Accts Payable will be busy in the next year.

Point is, the AD runs on a budget and this will affect it tremendously - especially since the AD will not be generating as much revenue the next 4 years. 4 years of no bowls/postseason is killer. Try recruiting to Penn State right now. What is your selling point? This doesn't include other coaches' negative recruiting. THIS is bad if you are Penn State. No two ways about it.