What Should Happen At Penn State?

[Pell City Tiger]

I would rather take a shower at Penn State than be a bammer.

Having a pain in the ass beats being a pain in the ass.

[RWS]

Here is an example of the point I have been making:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8199905/penn-state-nittany-lions-rodney-erickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penalty

If Penn State had not accepted the package of NCAA sanctions announced Monday, the Nittany Lions faced a historic death penalty of four years, university president Rodney Erickson told "Outside the Lines" on Wednesday afternoon.

Erickson said if Penn State did not agree to the sanctions, a formal investigation would have begun and the university could have faced a multiyear death penalty, as well as "other sanctions," including a financial penalty far greater than $60 million.

Either take the deal, or the NCAA is going to start an investigation, turn the athletic department upside down, and find something that does violate the bylaws. I'm not saying PSU didn't get what they deserve, but the fact that the NCAA can apparently operate that way is scary.

[GH2001]

Here is an example of the point I have been making:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8199905/penn-state-nittany-lions-rodney-erickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penaltyEither take the deal, or the NCAA is going to start an investigation, turn the athletic department upside down, and find something that does violate the bylaws. I'm not saying PSU didn't get what they deserve, but the fact that the NCAA can apparently operate that way is scary.

And you are obviously trying to outdo chadskins defending his saints for the "beat a dead horse award"

[RWS]

And you are obviously trying to outdo chadskins defending his saints for the "beat a dead horse award"

The difference is that the Saints got nailed for breaking a rule that actually exists. Again, it doesn't bother me at all that Penn State got hammered. They sure as fuck deserved it. I'm just concerned that apparently, now the NCAA can basically approach schools and tell them "Even though what happened might not be a violation, we don't like what you did, so you better agree to these penalties. Otherwise we are going to turn you upside down and see what shakes out. Then it will be way worse if we find the slightest bit of dirt on any kind of violation."

The point is, what else will they use this methodology on? I don't feel sorry for PSU at all. But the NCAA just created a precedent for themselves where they can penalize a team without them violating a bylaw, as long as they can intimidate the institution into accepting it.

[The Prowler]

The difference is that the Saints got nailed for breaking a rule that actually exists. Again, it doesn't bother me at all that Penn State got hammered. They sure as fuck deserved it. I'm just concerned that apparently, now the NCAA can basically approach schools and tell them "Even though what happened might not be a violation, we don't like what you did, so you better agree to these penalties. Otherwise we are going to turn you upside down and see what shakes out. Then it will be way worse if we find the slightest bit of dirt on any kind of violation."

The point is, what else will they use this methodology on? I don't feel sorry for PSU at all. But the NCAA just created a precedent for themselves where they can penalize a team without them violating a bylaw, as long as they can intimidate the institution into accepting it.

Penn State did violate NCAA bylaws...13 of them to be exact.

 http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207235

[Saniflush]

Here is an example of the point I have been making:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8199905/penn-state-nittany-lions-rodney-erickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penaltyEither take the deal, or the NCAA is going to start an investigation, turn the athletic department upside down, and find something that does violate the bylaws. I'm not saying PSU didn't get what they deserve, but the fact that the NCAA can apparently operate that way is scary.

Where was all the outcry when the NCAA was tossing our athletic department around a couple of years ago?

Hell in retrospect I'm glad it happened to a degree.  Proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are doing things the right way, but at that point and time everyone was loving that the NCAA and the media was giving us the what for without any due process. 

Colleges had a chance to stand up against the NCAA a few years back and decided not to.  Now they are seeing the consequences of that inaction.

[Snaggletiger]

Where was all the outcry when the NCAA was tossing our athletic department around a couple of years ago?

Hell in retrospect I'm glad it happened to a degree.  Proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are doing things the right way, but at that point and time everyone was loving that the NCAA and the media was giving us the what for without any due process. 

Colleges had a chance to stand up against the NCAA a few years back and decided not to.  Now they are seeing the consequences of that inaction.

This man knows.  All it took was rumors, in-your-end-OH and message board fucks feeding crap to the NCAA and they come in and give the athletic department a colonoscopy.  With regard to the length of time it took, Jay Jacobs said very openly that when the NCAA comes to your house to investigate an issue, they don't just focus on that one thing.  They probe every aspect of your department.  They did...and didn't find so much as a jay-walking violation.  And that, after Auburn's compliance department, the SEC and the FBI had all done their thing and came up empty. 

And no, there was no outcry from anyone other than Gene Chizik himself, who knew they were barking up the wrong tree.

[Godfather]

Penn State did violate NCAA bylaws...13 of them to be exact.

 http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207235

See I agree with the ethics and lack of institutional control violations (that makes sense).  They should have come out with this first though, now it kinda looks like they are trying to justify IMO.

[RWS]

See I agree with the ethics and lack of institutional control violations (that makes sense).  They should have come out with this first though, now it kinda looks like they are trying to justify IMO.

What gets me is the interpretation. That is where the NCAA becomes dangerous. When you read the language of the bylaw, it is obviously aimed to cover people like boosters, etc. Other statutes are specifically aimed towards improper recruitment, and ethics involving that. So, I'm curious now. Would they consider a coach going to a strip club unethical? Would they consider a coach cursing, or using a racial slur unethical? Is Arkansas going to get the death penalty because Petrino cheated on his wife, and he was covering that up for a while? That seems unethical to me.

[AUTiger1]

Where was all the outcry when the NCAA was tossing our athletic department around a couple of years ago?

Hell in retrospect I'm glad it happened to a degree.  Proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are doing things the right way, but at that point and time everyone was loving that the NCAA and the media was giving us the what for without any due process. 

Colleges had a chance to stand up against the NCAA a few years back and decided not to.  Now they are seeing the consequences of that inaction.

 

[GH2001]

What gets me is the interpretation. That is where the NCAA becomes dangerous. When you read the language of the bylaw, it is obviously aimed to cover people like boosters, etc. Other statutes are specifically aimed towards improper recruitment, and ethics involving that. So, I'm curious now. Would they consider a coach going to a strip club unethical? Would they consider a coach cursing, or using a racial slur unethical? Is Arkansas going to get the death penalty because Petrino cheated on his wife, and he was covering that up for a while? That seems unethical to me.

You are still doing it.

BTW, what crime (criminal offense) did Petrino commit just fucking that whore? Not one. Civil with his wife is another matter. Last time I checked child rape and concealing is very illegal and has huge ethics implications. Read the rules anyway you want to suit your case, but Sani is right. People had a chance to stand up to the NCAA when we were getting nailed to the wall for nothing, and the whole country let them get away with it because the country and your ilk wanted to see Auburn get punished so badly that you overlooked the NCAA's methods. Now, all of a sudden you give a shit.

[Snaggletiger]

More sanctions for Penn State.  Now the band is barred from playing music in A Minor

[dallaswareagle]

More sanctions for Penn State.  Now the band is barred from playing music in A Minor

This is becoming childs play.

[GH2001]

More sanctions for Penn State.  Now the band is barred from playing music in A Minor

Just the flutes.

This one time....at band camp

[Snaggletiger]

You may hate Jerry Sandusky, but at least he drove slowly through school zones.

[Snaggletiger]

Sandusky claims he's really young at heart. He says sometimes he feels like a 60 yr old stuck in a 10 yr old's body.

[dallaswareagle]

You may hate Jerry Sandusky, but at least he drove slowly through school zones.

I guess his idea about push one through and mine are different.

[Pell City Tiger]

More sanctions for Penn State.  Now the band is barred from playing music in A Minor

Heeeeey-oooooooo!

(That's an Ed McMahon impression for you ignert fuckers)

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Heeeeey-oooooooo!

(That's an Ed McMahon impression for you ignert fudgeers)

You are correct sir!

[Tiger Wench]

I guess his idea about push one through and mine are different.

I thought I was worldly enough for this joint, but I just cannot figure out what exactly they are doing...?