Honestly....

[Tiger Wench]

?

 

And you call yourself an Auburn man.  Coach Jordan would be so disappointed.

[Townhallsavoy]

What the above essentially boils down to for me is that the discovery of the Higgs boson doesn't lend more evidence to God's existence, or vice versa.  The assumptions that believers and scientists have made prior to this discovery still apply, and the existence of the Higgs boson doesn't lend any more credence to either assumption.

Same here.

It's a cool particle to find.  It has big physical implications.  However, it's no different to me than figuring out that information can be passed through telephone lines.  It's just another scientific discovery that tells us a bit more about how the universe functions and how we can improve our quality of life.  As for "meaning of life" possibilities?  Not much there. 

[djsimp]

And you call yourself an Auburn man.  Coach Jordan would be so disappointed.

Well, fuck me.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Not to turn this into a religious discussion, but anything that intelligently creates something so complex must itself be complex.  If one's logic is that X must have been created by Y because X is extraordinarily complex, then Y, as a complex entity, must also have been created by something complex.  This logic becomes an infinite loop with no definitive conclusion.

Similarly, if you assume that the universe has collapsed upon itself and exploded in a big bang an infinite number of times (or if you assume that there is an infinite number of alternate universes), then it's statistically sound to conclude that the Higgs boson would appear in one of the infinite versions of the universe.  But it's still an assumption that never gives you an answer as to how all matter originated.

What the above essentially boils down to for me is that the discovery of the Higgs boson doesn't lend more evidence to God's existence, or vice versa.  The assumptions that believers and scientists have made prior to this discovery still apply, and the existence of the Higgs boson doesn't lend any more credence to either assumption.

Ironic, since that the search for and discovery of the Higgs Bosun was started by the implication that the vacuum of space has energy (dark matter/dark energy) which prevents the universe from collapsing on itself.  This basically guarantees that time goes in one direction and the universe doesn't "reset" itself.





This guy aboves videos are really good, if you have older kids who are at all interested in math or science watch his videos together.

This article talks about what the higgs field has to do with dark matter.
http://www.space.com/16444-higgs-boson-particle-dark-matter.html

[djsimp]

Like I said, a discovery like this is not one strong enough to tilt someone off their already grounded beliefs. I do agree with Chizad that for so long many religious types have looked at science almost like
witchery. If we are made in Gods image then that includes more than just going to church on Sunday. That includes things like science and math. As a matter of fact, if this kind of stuff interest you then you should listen to Chuck Missler. I've mentioned this guys name on this board before and I'll tell you he is very interesting to listen to. From listening to this guy I learned that scientist believe there to be 10 dimensions and only 4 of them measurable. Does that prove one way or the other that there is God. No, it doesn't but it sure as heck tells me that with such an intricate detail and design, you can not deny that this whole thing is not some accident.

[Vandy Vol]

Ironic, since that the search for and discovery of the Higgs Bosun was started by the implication that the vacuum of space has energy (dark matter/dark energy) which prevents the universe from collapsing on itself.  This basically guarantees that time goes in one direction and the universe doesn't "reset" itself.

The vacuum of space which has energy is theorized to be dark energy, which has the ability to push away objects as opposing to pulling them in with gravity via mass.  Dark matter is non-visible matter with mass and a gravitational pull.  Dark matter and dark energy aren't related, at least as far as the current theories are concerned.

At any rate, the example of the big bang theory was just used to show that many scientific theories assume that the universe is infinite in one way or another, and with an infinite number of possibilities, anything (even the most complex) will randomly occur somewhere.

[Vandy Vol]

. . . with such an intricate detail and design, you can not deny that this whole thing is not some accident.

Possibly, possibly not.

Are there an infinite number of universes?  I don't know.  But if I assume that there is, then complex structures could be created through an infinite number of random accidents.

[GH2001]

The vacuum of space which has energy is theorized to be dark energy, which has the ability to push away objects as opposing to pulling them in with gravity via mass.  Dark matter is non-visible matter with mass and a gravitational pull.  Dark matter and dark energy aren't related, at least as far as the current theories are concerned.

At any rate, the example of the big bang theory was just used to show that many scientific theories assume that the universe is infinite in one way or another, and with an infinite number of possibilities, anything (even the most complex) will randomly occur somewhere.

Are you an engineer?

Because I think au2000 is.

[Vandy Vol]

Are you an engineer?

Because I think au2000 is.

Dark matter ≠ dark energy.  That fact stands true whether you are an engineer, a lawyer, or a bammer.

http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

[GH2001]

Dark matter ≠ dark energy.  That fact stands true whether you are an engineer, a lawyer, or a bammer.

http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

Was just asking. The lawyers on the board always ride that high horse in legal debates. 

Au2000 could probably in this one if he wanted.

[Vandy Vol]

Was just asking. The lawyers on the board always ride that high horse in legal debates. 

Au2000 could probably in this one if he wanted.

Morgan Freeman taught me this shit.  No one rides higher than Morgan Freeman.

[GH2001]

Morgan Freeman taught me this shit.  No one rides higher than Morgan Freeman.

I thought the only art form you knew was peeing In a dudes anus

[Vandy Vol]

I thought the only art form you knew was peeing In a dudes anus

Not movie Morgan Freeman; science Morgan Freeman.





But due to Mr. Freeman, I also know how to perform the Alaskan Snow Dragon, which can be considered an art form.

[DnATL]

I am an engineer - 's primary interests in engineering are summing moments about a rigid body member.

[AUChizad]

I don't think it does either, this is the reason why I didn't start this thread at the University Chapel. It just my lack of trust in humans to be trusted with this kind of knowledge.

I will say however that, imo, this could actually be more proof of God than less.

Since this song got ignored in the other thread, I think it applies perfectly to this discussion.

[War Eagle!!!]

I must be a complete dumb ass...I have no fucking clue what any of you are talking about...

Hey, did you see where the stache wants to get away from the small, quick LB's and go to a more physical style of play in the middle?

[Snaggletiger]

Will all these CERN nerds be at Dragon Con?

[Godfather]

I was watching an animal show last night...what a great animal the walrus is. I love it...it's got flippers, tusks, a mustache. It looks like something God built last minute.

Like God was up on the 6th day exhausted..

"Oh this is due tomorrow?" ...

"I'm not feeling very creative, can I just put together some of my earlier work?" ...

"Do a best of?..maybe a God's greatest hits?"

"Yeah that will work..I will put together the seal, the elephant, and Burt Reynolds."

Why the mustache? That's what I love about the walrus. Like my 8th grade science teacher Mr. Jibly used to say "Animals adapt certain features to fit in with their environment."   

What environment did the walrus find himself in where he was like ...shit I need a mustache?  What was he a 70's porn star?

[AUChizad]

Disclaimer: 1) a renunciation of any claim to or connection with; 2)a disavowal; 3) a statement made to save one's own ass.

Though it'll go without saying ten minutes or so into these proceedings, View Askew would like to state that this film is- from start to finish- a work of comedic fantasy, not to be taken seriously. To insist that any of what follows is incendiary or inflammatory is to miss our intention and pass undue judgment; and passing judgment is reserved for God and God alone (this goes for you film critics too... just kidding).

So please - before you think about hurting someone over this trifle of a film, remember: even God has a sense of humor. Just look at the platypus. Thank you and enjoy the show.

P.S. We sincerely apologize to all platypus enthusiasts out there who are offended by that thoughtless comment about the platypi. We at View Askew respect the noble platypus, and it is not our intention to slight these stupid creatures in any way.

Than you again and enjoy the show.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

The vacuum of space which has energy is theorized to be dark energy, which has the ability to push away objects as opposing to pulling them in with gravity via mass.  Dark matter is non-visible matter with mass and a gravitational pull.  Dark matter and dark energy aren't related, at least as far as the current theories are concerned.

At any rate, the example of the big bang theory was just used to show that many scientific theories assume that the universe is infinite in one way or another, and with an infinite number of possibilities, anything (even the most complex) will randomly occur somewhere.

Dark Matter has mass, anything that has mass receives that mass through its interactions with the Higgs particles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48084815/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T_b5NnhrVGQ

Early attempts to calculate vacuum energy (dark energy) failed as the calculations estimated that the energy should be 10^120 times higher than it was actually measured at.  Particle interactions with the Higgs field (where Higgs Boson come from) explains why particles move slower in a vacuum than can be assumed through normal calculaitons

http://www.interactions.org/quantumuniverse/qu/questions/q2.html

And you are referring to the infinite universe theory which says that in an infinite universe any possibility will be certain to happen.  But the problem is the universe isn't really considered infinite.  There is a finite amount of matter/energy and a finite amount of time.  Whether you assume time began at creation or big bang there is a definite start point.  The end point is right now.  I mean now?  Is now now?  You just missed it.