SCOTUS upholds Obamacare

Ogre · « **on:** June 28, 2012, 10:22:49 AM »

Chief Justice Roberts was the swing vote. Big victory for the Obama administration in the short term, but I can see this actually hurting his chances for re-election.

Discuss.

GH2001 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »

Fucking bullshit. I'm pissed beyond belief. Mandate is now a TAX??? Fuck me.

And fuck you John Roberts you fucking worthless Bush wannabe pond scum. I hate a fucking trader.

AWK · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:28:31 AM »

Quote from: Ogre on June 28, 2012, 10:22:49 AM

Chief Justice Roberts was the swing vote. Big victory for the Obama administration in the short term, but I can see this actually hurting his chances for re-election.

Discuss.

I disagree. This will be his victory parade. Just watch. He will ride this to reelection...

GH2001 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:29:21 AM »

Quote from: AWK on June 28, 2012, 10:28:31 AM

I disagree. This will be his victory parade. Just watch. He will ride this to reelection...

YEP.....

Hey John Roberts,

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:49:39 AM »

Obama for four more years.

Will Rush Limbaugh even make it on air? I bet he pops.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:52:05 AM »

These news networks are such uninformed dickheads.

AWK · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:54:03 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on June 28, 2012, 10:52:05 AM

These news networks are such uninformed dickheads.

Yep, then 5 minutes later the headline is "Upheld." They are so quick to jump the gun they are wrong all the fucking time.

AWK · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:57:23 AM »

Full opinion, Enjoy:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/28/health.care.pdf

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2012, 10:58:51 AM »

Quote from: AWK on June 28, 2012, 10:57:23 AM

Full opinion, Enjoy:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/28/health.care.pdf

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:00:58 AM »

Serious question about small businesses -

How common is it for businesses of 50+ employees to not offer healthcare?

AWK · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:05:48 AM »

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The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax

Roberts

That about sums it up.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:11:53 AM »

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The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance.

Why? And where is this in the constitution?

Could they also say this:

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The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without ________________.

GH2001 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:12:27 AM »

Quote from: AWK on June 28, 2012, 11:05:48 AM

Roberts

That about sums it up.

2 things:

1. But was that fine passed as a tax? No, it wasn't.

2. And what kind of tax exists for inactivity?? Even with Ad Valorum tax there is a tangible product like value of car or gasoline. This is a tax on nothing, lack of something. Total BS.

So now can they tax us for NOT buying other things too such as electric cars or solar panels? This is a bad bad precedent. We (as a nation) will be TAXED for not buying something. I don't know how anyone can say this makes any sense.

Never though I would ever say this but.....

Mitt Fucking Romney 2012!!!!! We have to repeal this entire fucking piece of shit.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »

Ogre · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:27:33 AM »

Quote from: AWK on June 28, 2012, 10:28:31 AM

I disagree. This will be his victory parade. Just watch. He will ride this to reelection...

The 2010 election swing was considered a referendum on Obamacare. This will do nothing but fan the flames and bring the conservative vote out in droves.

Time will tell.

Kaos · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:28:05 AM »

We are screwed. Officially.

Need to get rid of every single motherfucker in washington and start over.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:30:23 AM »

To repeat -

Is it common for businesses of 50+ employees to not offer health insurance benefits?

I ask because with this healthcare bill passing, why would businesses ever grow more than 49 people? And if businesses are refusing to grow past 49 employees or are downsizing below 50 employees to avoid being forced to pay for healthcare, won't that obliterate any decrease in unemployment rates?

GH2001 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:31:11 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on June 28, 2012, 11:28:05 AM

We are screwed. Officially.

Need to get rid of every single motherfucker in washington and start over.

I like the way you think.

Question to the lawyers though, if the fine was not passed as a TAX - would it not have to go back through a congressional vote? It sounds like judicial activism has just occured. CJ Roberts just altered the law so it could survive.

GH2001 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:34:56 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on June 28, 2012, 11:30:23 AM

To repeat -

Is it common for businesses of 50+ employees to not offer health insurance benefits?

I ask because with this healthcare bill passing, why would businesses ever grow more than 49 people? And if businesses are refusing to grow past 49 employees or are downsizing below 50 employees to avoid being forced to pay for healthcare, won't that obliterate any decrease in unemployment rates?

You nailed it. This thing has all kind of ripple effects that the naive aren't considering. Most sheep don't think the way you are thinking. And let's face it, most of the supporters of this are sheep. Dey juz want dey free healf care.

So much wrong in the below, I don't even know where to begin.

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The Affordable Care Act will extend health insurance to some 30 million Americans who currently lack coverage. It will also guarantee the availability of insurance for those with pre-existing conditions and ensure those people donâ€™t pay more than healthy people. Anyone earning up to 133% of the federal poverty level will get free coverage through Medicaid and those earning 133% to 400% (but without access to employer or government insurance) will be eligible for federal subsidies to help them buy policies

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2012, 11:42:04 AM »

I try not to go Glenn Beck with politics, but I am worried about this one. How does this not shift our country closer to a police state?

You're not doing something we, the government, want you to do? Here's a ~~fine~~tax. How are we going to chase you down and get our money? Well, included in this new bill is a few thousand more IRS workers.

Small businesses aren't going to hire more workers? Well, that means more people can't afford health care, so they'll need to pay the tax. And that means more people needing to pay the tax will require more people hired in the IRS.

More people in the IRS? More money needs to go to the government to pay those people in the IRS. More taxes.