Bammer on Probation again!

Jumbo · « **on:** June 25, 2008, 02:19:10 PM »

Its against Ncaa rules to sell products (pitbulls) using the likeness of Alabama

Bye, Bye Saban
http://www.jimmyjohnspitbulls.com/index2.html

wesfau2 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:21:01 PM »

Quote from: jumbo on June 25, 2008, 02:19:10 PM

Its against Ncaa rules to sell products (pitbulls) using the likeness of a official uniform
Bye, Bye Saban
http://www.jimmyjohnspitbulls.com/index2.html

I defer to anyone who knows these NCAA regs, but that was the point that jumped out at me when I saw Johns' webpage. He's profiting off his status as a member of the UA football team. Surely this is not allowable.

Jumbo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:23:12 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2008, 02:21:01 PM

I defer to anyone who knows these NCAA regs, but that was the point that jumped out at me when I saw Johns' webpage. He's profiting off his status as a member of the UA football team. Surely this is not allowable.

I agree

wesfau2 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:26:17 PM »

Credit to cadillacattack at ITAT for digging this up:

12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete.

After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual:

(a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind; or

(b) Receives remuneration for endorsing a commercial product or service through the individual's use of such product or service.

12.4.4 Self-Employment. A student-athlete may establish his or her own business, provided the student-athlete's name, photograph, appearance or athletics reputation are not used to promote the business.(Adopted:12/12/06)

So, clearly Johns has forfeited his eligibility under these rules. The question, then, is what liability, if any, does Bama have?

wesfau2 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:34:49 PM »

To cap it off, a "who is" search shows that the pitbull site was registered in March of this year, 2008.

Oof.

Lookin' down the barrel of a gun, son of a gun, son of a bitch, gettin' paid, gettin' rich.

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:35:54 PM »

It's going to be tough, it's going to depend on how long he's been doing it, and whether or not Alabama (the university) knew about it. The site when up in March of this year. So would Bama really be in anyones cross hairs here?

Jumbo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:43:00 PM »

From selling cocaine to selling pit bulls -- Your reaction and your opinion on whether the University knew Jimmy Johns was using their likeness to sell pit bulls?? Do you think the coaches knew? Are other Alabama players involved?? If you believe there is not one person in the school's administration that knew one of their "student athletes" was a drug dealer and had a website selling pit bulls -- what does that say about the University of Alabama and the way they police their players and their own image?? This could be just the beginning as the rabbit hole continues to get deeper and deeper and the season continues to get closer and closer -- will this have any hangover once two a days roll around??

wesfau2 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:44:39 PM »

Quote from: jumbo on June 25, 2008, 02:43:00 PM

If you believe there is not one person in the school's administration that knew one of their "student athletes" was a drug dealer and had a website selling pit bulls -- what does that say about the University of Alabama and the way they police their players and their own image??

LACK
OF
INSTITUTIONAL
CONTROL

wesfau2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:45:32 PM »

Credit, once again, to NewAZTiger at ITAT:

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:49:00 PM »

Keep hope alive guys, but I will believe it when I see it. Even IF they can prove the LINEbacker started this site, pinning it on the University would be an even bigger stretch. I am hoping that the police investigation we keep hearing about reveals that Dick Sabban knew about the coke shop long before the arrest. That could potentially be more damning than this site IMO.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:50:36 PM »

A minor violation at best. Everyone does it. Saban just bumped into him. The Birmingham News is not a Bammer homer rag. Fulmer is behind it. It's completely possible to fall up the stairs.

Eligibility is one thing. The coach or administration not knowing or turning a blind eye to a player's website using the team's likeness is another altogether. My daughter goes to a private, Christian school. The administration there started monitoring myspace accounts etc. for a bunch of the students and giving them crap about it because they were making comments about teachers and shit.

Hard to believe a University of this magnitude (In their own minds) wouldn't be aware of it. Funny, even Prowler posts about Jimmy Joints' activities weeks ago...but Saban doesn't know. Wincrimson proclaims JJ's exploits were well known around Tuscaloosa...but Saban didn't know.

Aubie16 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:51:35 PM »

Unfortunately I don't think anything will come of this. The website wasn't started until March of 08, so he never played while ineligible. But I am not expert on the rules so here' to hoping!

Jumbo · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:51:44 PM »

Wes, whats the over and under on how long this website stays up? +/- 2hours?

wesfau2 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:54:03 PM »

Quote from: jumbo on June 25, 2008, 02:51:44 PM

Wes, whats the over and under on how long this website stays up? +/- 2hours?

Max. Can someone archive that fucker?

wesfau2 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:55:10 PM »

Quote from: Aubie16 on June 25, 2008, 02:51:35 PM

Unfortunately I don't think anything will come of this. The website wasn't started until March of 08, so he never played while ineligible. But I am not expert on the rules so here' to hoping!

Played while ineligible? Not sure what you mean. The rules quoted above say that the player forfeits his eligibility if after becoming a student-athlete he engages in any of the listed prohibited behavior.

Saniflush · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:55:28 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on June 25, 2008, 02:50:36 PM

A minor violation at best. Everyone does it. Saban just bumped into him. The Birmingham News is not a Bammer homer rag. Fulmer is behind it. It's completely possible to fall up the stairs.

Funny that is all JJ was doing. Passing out bumps to people.

Aubie16 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:56:40 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2008, 02:55:10 PM

Played while ineligible? Not sure what you mean. The rules quoted above say that the player forfeits his eligibility if after becoming a student-athlete he engages in any of the listed prohibited behavior.

Exactly. He lost his eligibility in March of 2008. He never played in a game after forfeiting it. So I don't see how Alabama can get into trouble for it. What are your thoughts?

wesfau2 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:56:40 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on June 25, 2008, 02:55:28 PM

Funny that is all JJ was doing. Passing out bumps to people.

Hey it was good enough for MC Hammer:

Just for a minute, let's all do The Bump.

Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump.

Saniflush · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:57:24 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2008, 02:56:40 PM

Hey it was good enough for MC Hammer:

Just for a minute, let's all do The Bump.

Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump.

Bump hell! That was outright rock candy.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:57:29 PM »

Quote from: Aubie16 on June 25, 2008, 02:56:40 PM

Exactly. He lost his eligibility in March of 2008. He never played in a game after forfeiting it. So I don't see how Alabama can get into trouble for it. What are your thoughts?

What happened in March for him to be ineligible? Is the arrest not a very recent occurrence? Did I miss him doing something back a few months ago?