Holy crap...

Saniflush · « **Reply #100 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:26:26 PM »

I better not catch one of you motherfuckers recording and rebroadcasting a game or im telling the comish.

Godfather · « **Reply #101 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:28:50 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 05:19:21 PM

What should the punishment be? To you, apparently it's perfectly acceptable to issue a $5 ticket for jaywalking for everyone else in the free world, but if those motherfuckers in New Orleans do it, they'd better spend at least 10 years in the pen. You want to live in a vacuum where "Everyone else is doing is not an excuse". Fuck me for thinking equity should come into play at some point when you have something that goes on everywhere and you decide to single out one team and decapitate them for it.

Again with the melodramatics, this is not the World vs New Orleans. You keep forgetting they fucking got caught. They got caught with their hand in the fucking cookie jar and worse yet the coaches were handing them the jar. So I want to hear it...what would have been your punishment?

Again...If it were any other team you wouldn't give a shit.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #102 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:40:28 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 05:19:21 PM

What should the punishment be? To you, apparently it's perfectly acceptable to issue a $5 ticket for jaywalking for everyone else in the free world, but if those motherfuckers in New Orleans do it, they'd better spend at least 10 years in the pen. You want to live in a vacuum where "Everyone else is doing is not an excuse". Fuck me for thinking equity should come into play at some point when you have something that goes on everywhere and you decide to single out one team and decapitate them for it.

Shit Chad. Your arguments are fucking crazy. This argument is like a black dude playing the race card for getting pulled over for speeding while doing 90 MPH in a 70MPH zone while everyone else is going 75 MPH. It doesn't matter that everyone else was speeding too. The person going 90 is going to get pulled over every time no matter what. Same with the Saints. They got caught going 90 in a 70. It has nothing to do with the god damn city...jesus...

Saniflush · « **Reply #103 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:47:11 PM »

I think chad just got called black.......

Race riot!

chinook · « **Reply #104 on:** March 22, 2012, 05:48:17 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on March 22, 2012, 05:08:15 PM

Again you only give a shit cause you like the team.

only by marriage.

AUChizad · « **Reply #105 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM »

It's not worth defending anymore. You guys are out for blood like AsThePlainsBurn, and you won't accept anything less than "They're dirty cheating thugs getting paid to break the knees of their opponents".

I bet Nick Fairley was too. That's what the media told us to believe. I mean, he was flagged for late hits and roughing the passer, so it must be true!

You'd think some of you would have learned a little critical thinking from the lynch mob mentality Auburn was the victim of, but apparently not.

The fact that these pools happen everywhere are inconsequential, because we're talking about New Orleans doing it, dammit.

All the players still saying they are appalled that anyone would believe that they had an organized system to intentionally injure anyone, are filthy liars.

Maybe it's not the world against New Orleans, but this wouldn't happen in New England or Dallas.

I'm done.

djsimp · « **Reply #106 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:06:59 PM »

This thread is no good for an alchoholic.

Saniflush · « **Reply #107 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:10:17 PM »

Tell your pure as the driven snow coach not to lie about it or endorsing it and maybe he woulnt be out 7 million this year.

Just sayin.

AUChizad · « **Reply #108 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:36:34 PM »

By the way, just saw where last year the Saints had the 5th most personal fouls, and and since 2009 had the sixth most.

If they were getting paid specifically to hurt players, why would they not be #1?

Shouldn't those five "dirtier" teams be investigated if that's our barometer?

The Six · « **Reply #109 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:38:37 PM »

Saniflush · « **Reply #110 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:41:14 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 06:36:34 PM

By the way, just saw where last year the Saints had the 5th most personal fouls, and and since 2009 had the sixth most.

If they were getting paid specifically to hurt players, why would they not be #1?

Shouldn't those five "dirtier" teams be investigated if that's our barometer?

Sounds like they cant be first in anything. Same ole Saints.

JR4AU · « **Reply #111 on:** March 22, 2012, 06:45:11 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on March 22, 2012, 05:17:44 PM

Well technically they do get paid for the sack already its called their salary. The problem I have with it becomes trying to intentionally harm another professional, which based on the severity could stop them from making their livelihood.

I wasn't saying that I agreed with having a bounty either way, I was just saying there is a big difference.

Having a bet with your friends to see who can get laid the most, vs using roofies to win said bet.

Ask any NFL LB, Safety, DE if they are intentionally trying to harm other players they'll likely answer something like this: "Hell yes! That's my job. I'm not trying to injure, not trying to take anybody's knee out, or concuss them, and I'm not trying to use illegal hits like leading with the helmet, but fuck yeah I'm trying to harm a motherfucker." That is the essence of defense.

If the bounty is for a sack, a cart off hit, or to break the other guys leg, they're all illegal. There is a distinction between intent to inflict an INJURY, IE go for the knee with intent to inflict an injury such as tear an ACL, vs just trying to hit the opposing player with all the force you can and HURT him. HURT and INJURE are two different things, at least in football context. Players get hurt to one degree or another on every play. Some get hurt to the point they can't come off under their own power. We've all seen some of those come right back in the next play. Some go off on a John Deere, and are back on the sidelines with nothing more than ice on something, and playing the next week.

The problem with the bounties is they have the potential to motivate a player to target another to inflict INJURY, not just pain, IE going for a players knees with intent to INJURE. And there's no way to distinguish the intent.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #112 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:47:02 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM

It's not worth defending anymore. You guys are out for blood like AsThePlainsBurn, and you won't accept anything less than "They're dirty cheating thugs getting paid to break the knees of their opponents".

You are correct, sir! Every time you cave in, my victory dance is enthusiastically performed in a glow-in-the-dark thong to this musical genius:

JR4AU · « **Reply #113 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:58:10 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM

It's not worth defending anymore. You guys are out for blood like AsThePlainsBurn, and you won't accept anything less than "They're dirty cheating thugs getting paid to break the knees of their opponents".

I bet Nick Fairley was too. That's what the media told us to believe. I mean, he was flagged for late hits and roughing the passer, so it must be true!

You'd think some of you would have learned a little critical thinking from the lynch mob mentality Auburn was the victim of, but apparently not.

The fact that these pools happen everywhere are inconsequential, because we're talking about New Orleans doing it, dammit.

All the players still saying they are appalled that anyone would believe that they had an organized system to intentionally injure anyone, are filthy liars.

Maybe it's not the world against New Orleans, but this wouldn't happen in New England or Dallas.

I'm done.

Your reasoning and logic are not very advanced. Many of the analogies you draw are apples to oranges. You're using ridiculous hypothetical extremes to make your points.

Kaos · « **Reply #114 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:56:49 PM »

It's still the Finebaum show and Jim from Chizadwood is on the air.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #115 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:59:17 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on March 22, 2012, 06:10:17 PM

Tell your pure as the driven snow coach not to lie about it or endorsing it and maybe he woulnt be out 7 million this year.

Just sayin.

Definitely a HUGE part of the problem was official endorsement of the bounties.

Also, if you can't see the distinction between the intent to perform your defensive duties within the bounds of the game and the intent to hit someone so that they are "carted off" the field, then you're just being willfully blind.

The Prowler · « **Reply #116 on:** March 22, 2012, 09:46:44 PM »

Quote from: Token on March 22, 2012, 02:44:32 PM

So, just judging by the few games I watched this season, I'm assuming it's safe to say that Roman Harper didn't receive a red fucking cent of a bounty?

Doesn't mean he didn't try...I'm sure Steve Smith was on the DB Hit List.

Godfather · « **Reply #117 on:** March 23, 2012, 09:15:27 AM »

Quote from: AUChizad on March 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM

It's not worth defending anymore. You guys are out for blood like AsThePlainsBurn, and you won't accept anything less than "They're dirty cheating thugs getting paid to break the knees of their opponents".

I bet Nick Fairley was too. That's what the media told us to believe. I mean, he was flagged for late hits and roughing the passer, so it must be true!

You'd think some of you would have learned a little critical thinking from the lynch mob mentality Auburn was the victim of, but apparently not.

The fact that these pools happen everywhere are inconsequential, because we're talking about New Orleans doing it, dammit.

All the players still saying they are appalled that anyone would believe that they had an organized system to intentionally injure anyone, are filthy liars.

Maybe it's not the world against New Orleans, but this wouldn't happen in New England or Dallas.

I'm done.

Dude you really have been sipping from the magical kool-aid. I don't give two shits about New Orleans. My argument would be the same no matter what team it was.

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All the players still saying they are appalled that anyone would believe that they had an organized system to intentionally injure anyone, are filthy liars.

I'm not calling anyone a liar, but the Commish says he has proof, and I certainly don't hear Payton or the Saints screaming from the rooftops this isn't fair. So logically I tend to think he has proof but I forgot you can read minds. The difference in the Auburn thing and you know damn well, there was no proof and from the very beginning Auburn denied allegations. The NCAA never claimed they had proof, they did an investigation nothing was found.

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The fact that these pools happen everywhere are inconsequential, because we're talking about New Orleans doing it, dammit.

Again I am not saying they don't happen, I also don't know that I believe they happen everywhere. However, it also was never talked about, and typically was never used as motivation by the COACHES but among the players themselves. The NFL was looking to stop this practice, New Orleans got caught and was made an example of.

When did New Orleans become the target of the NFL's ire? Because they aren't... no one gives a shit about New Orleans. Lying to your boss is never good for anyone.

GH2001 · « **Reply #118 on:** March 23, 2012, 09:46:50 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on March 22, 2012, 07:58:10 PM

Your reasoning and logic are not very advanced. Many of the analogies you draw are apples to oranges. You're using ridiculous hypothetical extremes to make your points.

Attempting find those hypotheticals (conjecture really) and apples to oranges comparisons to support a pre established bias is the weakest and most feeble attempt to argue a side.

The objective here should be to get to the correct answer, the truth and what honestly happened. It is NOT start out with a position that you WANT to believe because of being a homer and then finding any inkling of info to support it. It's a very backwards way to solve a situation such as this.

And again, it doesn't matter what someone thinks or says any other teams are doing. It's mutually exclusive of the fact that the Saints did it. And it doesn't make it right either.

Sure Chad, the NY Times and ESPN slandered Auburn and Cam/Nick in the papers and on TV, but I like to think the NFL Commissioner is not = Joe Schad, Thayer Evans, Pete Thamel, Brooks. Goodell doesn't give a shit about headlines or a scoop. He's an asshole and it's his job to lay down the hammer. Was SOME of this punitive? Sure. I bet it won't happen again under his watch though. When you do the crime.....

JR4AU · « **Reply #119 on:** March 23, 2012, 10:04:20 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on March 23, 2012, 09:46:50 AM

Attempting find those hypotheticals (conjecture really) and apples to oranges comparisons to support a pre established bias is the weakest and most feeble attempt to argue a side.

The objective here should be to get to the correct answer, the truth and what honestly happened. It is NOT start out with a position that you WANT to believe because of being a homer and then finding any inkling of info to support it. It's a very backwards way to solve a situation such as this.

And again, it doesn't matter what someone thinks or says any other teams are doing. It's mutually exclusive of the fact that the Saints did it. And it doesn't make it right either.

Sure Chad, the NY Times and ESPN slandered Auburn and Cam/Nick in the papers and on TV, but I like to think the NFL Commissioner is not = Joe Schad, Thayer Evans, Pete Thamel, Brooks. Goodell doesn't give a shit about headlines or a scoop. He's an asshole and it's his job to lay down the hammer. Was SOME of this punitive? Sure. I bet it won't happen again under his watch though. When you do the crime.....

What's so bad is, wait to see Chizad's reaction when Brees is in the wind (pun intended), and a plethora of player suspensions ranging from 4 games up is handed down. The Saint's may be lucky to win a game this coming season. No actual head coach, no star QB, defense full of back ups. This could get much uglier. And Chizad, I'm already on record (in response in another thread to Kaos who does actually hate the Saints) as not giving a shit one way or the other about them.

And Chizad, when you're the ONLY one trying to argue the side you've chosen, and are using flawed logic, conjecture, and childlike "everybody does it" defenses, you need to back up and take a second look.