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Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?

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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #160 on: February 01, 2012, 01:44:54 PM »
Yes, but like I said, the six exclusions for non-qualified property that I originally mentioned included real property.  These additional exceptions are actually allowances; they are not exceptions which exclude additional property, but are rather exceptions which allow additional property.  So this section that you're highlighting does not add to the number of exceptions which place limitations, as the limitation on real property was already counted.
Qualifications as allowances...  That's sort of like referring to taxation as investment.  These allowances also have the affect of restricting certain types of property that do not satisfy the qualifications.  In other words, they also serve as limitations or exclusions.  The end... 
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #161 on: February 01, 2012, 03:25:01 PM »
Qualifications as allowances...  That's sort of like referring to taxation as investment.  These allowances also have the affect of restricting certain types of property that do not satisfy the qualifications.  In other words, they also serve as limitations or exclusions.  The end...

Yes, and the real property limitation was already taken into account.  So we're still at 8 exceptions, which is not many relative to the thousands of types of purchases which can be deducted according to the general rules of Section 179.

And this is just using Section 179 as one example of ways in which you can claim more of a capital expense in one year.  Section 168's Bonus Depreciation allowance gives you the ability to immediately deduct 50% of various types of property.  Then there are the multiple options for depreciation deductions under MACRS.

My point was that there are a variety of rules affecting capital expenses.  It's not as simple as saying, "A $50,000 server is a capital expense, and so I have to amortize it over five years."  Section 179 allows for a majority of business capital expenses to be deducted in one year as a current expense.  With exceptions like these, there should not be hundreds of thousands of dollars difference between reported taxable income and actual net profits.

Some difference?  Yes.  Hundreds of thousands?  No, not unless you're a multi-million dollar corporation making hundreds of thousands of dollars in purchases which happen to all be the 6 types of properties completely excluded from Section 179.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #162 on: February 01, 2012, 05:51:23 PM »
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« Reply #163 on: February 01, 2012, 06:27:10 PM »
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« Reply #164 on: February 01, 2012, 07:04:09 PM »
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2012, 04:51:57 PM »
A bump to an old topic.

As I've said before, I agree with Bill Maher on less than 10% of the shit he says, but I still download his show and watch it illegally every once in a while.

His closing "New Rule" a couple of weeks ago was related to this topic that this thread is about.

I agree with the everything he's saying here, except the part about how he's mad about it. (And, yes, some of the punchlines are a little radical as well).

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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #166 on: June 04, 2012, 05:11:15 PM »
A bump to an old topic.

As I've said before, I agree with Bill Maher on less than 10% of the shit he says, but I still download his show and watch it illegally every once in a while.

His closing "New Rule" a couple of weeks ago was related to this topic that this thread is about.

I agree with the everything he's saying here, except the part about how he's mad about it. (And, yes, some of the punchlines are a little radical as well).
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As a legal and current subscriber to HBO I'm reporting your malfeasance.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #167 on: June 05, 2012, 10:44:56 AM »
A bump to an old topic.

As I've said before, I agree with Bill Maher on less than 10% of the shit he says, but I still download his show and watch it illegally every once in a while.

His closing "New Rule" a couple of weeks ago was related to this topic that this thread is about.

I agree with the everything he's saying here, except the part about how he's mad about it. (And, yes, some of the punchlines are a little radical as well).


I agree too with some of what he said.  Mainly the part about how Republicans aren't the answer. 

But Obama has been a divisive president.  He has not yet cut spending and while Bush did spend a lot, Obama is trying to move that exorbitant amount of money to other places.  Our sense of nationalism has decayed and our reputation abroad has deteriorated.  Many of his polices (healthcare bill) are short-sighted, a precarious side effect of Keynesian economics, which leads me to think that the future of the country is not safe in his hands. 

Bill Maher is doing what most Democrats do, and he's doing what most Republicans do.  He is shifting blame and derision to the other side in order to keep people he doesn't like personally from being elected.   
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #168 on: June 05, 2012, 10:45:35 AM »

As a legal and current subscriber to HBO I'm reporting your malfeasance.

And I'm reporting you to attackwatch.org for reporting someone else for exercising their right to break the law!
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #169 on: June 05, 2012, 10:53:42 AM »
Many of his polices (healthcare bill) are short-sighted, a precarious side effect of Keynesian economics

He is shifting blame and derision to the other side in order to keep people he doesn't like personally from being elected.   

Both points, excellent.

Bill Maher is a hypocrite because he prides himself on being a straight shooter, like him or not. He is anything but. He has personal opinions of issues and people and attempts to sway people in a partisan manner to that side. His condescending and rhetorical nature are also as shallow as a puddle.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #170 on: June 05, 2012, 03:45:41 PM »
And I'm reporting you to attackwatch.org for reporting someone else for exercising their right to break the law!


Bring it on, kid.

They don't scare me as much as teh MPAA and teh FCC scare AUChizad.   :poke:
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #171 on: June 05, 2012, 04:25:21 PM »
A bump to an old topic.

As I've said before, I agree with Bill Maher on less than 10% of the shit he says, but I still download his show and watch it illegally every once in a while.

His closing "New Rule" a couple of weeks ago was related to this topic that this thread is about.

I agree with the everything he's saying here, except the part about how he's mad about it. (And, yes, some of the punchlines are a little radical as well).
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I recall posting before that I do watch Bill Maher's show semi-regularly.  I consider any conservative/Republican willing to go on his show to have titanium balls because you will be heavily out-numbered and you will be alone.  And I have to give Maher credit for amusing me (unlike Colbert, Jon Stewart...and Mike Huckabee who's show I can't stand...of course I can't stand him either but I digress).

Anyway, I do like that Maher doesn't hold any punches with the Democrats in some of his comments but given the choice between the Democrat and Republican ideology (and the lack of a viable alternative) I will chose Republican.  The Tea Party Movement might be the beginning of a real alternative but I doubt it mainly because of the focus on polarizing social issues.  We don't have the luxury to deal with that right now especially with what I think is the very dark cloud of another major economic crisis looming across the Atlantic and heading our way.  We will not be able to ignore it for much longer.

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But Obama has been a divisive president.  He has not yet cut spending and while Bush did spend a lot, Obama is trying to move that exorbitant amount of money to other places.  Our sense of nationalism has decayed and our reputation abroad has deteriorated.  Many of his polices (healthcare bill) are short-sighted, a precarious side effect of Keynesian economics, which leads me to think that the future of the country is not safe in his hands. 
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Insightful. 

First, the President is the one branch of the government that is supposed to rise above partisan politics and act in the best interest of the republic as a legislative facilitator; the Pharaoh Obama is horrible at this one fundamental aspect of his job (unless his party has an overwhelming majority in the House and Senate).  He is supposed to be the man who can bring together the House and Senate, the Democrats and the Republicans along with the American People in a way that makes good, constitutional legislation which does not necessarily always mean 'compromise' (the latter has become a bad word amongst conservatives anyway).  I recall Reagan being very good at this.  Clinton was also good at it to an opposite extent.

Secondly, as a part of his job, the President has a more symbolic duty not particularly described in the constitution in that he is supposed to embody the pride and patriotism of the nation despite what party he is a member of; again, he is the one branch of government that essentially must rise above partisanship and be the face of the United States to the rest of the world representing our strength and resolve among other things, these two being the most important in these troubling economic times.  The Pharaoh is a disaster at this; he's weak and the world knows it; as Maher said, "he couldn't be less threatening if he was carrying an iced tea and skittles."
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #172 on: June 06, 2012, 09:58:04 AM »
I would like Maher more for his brashful nature if he were completely objective. Problem is he pretends to be but isn't. At least I have respect for Dennis Kucinich. Like him or not, the guy sticks to his guns and seems to be a decent guy.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #173 on: June 06, 2012, 10:52:10 AM »
First, the President is the one branch of the government that is supposed to rise above partisan politics and act in the best interest of the republic as a legislative facilitator; the Pharaoh Obama is horrible at this one fundamental aspect of his job (unless his party has an overwhelming majority in the House and Senate).  He is supposed to be the man who can bring together the House and Senate, the Democrats and the Republicans along with the American People in a way that makes good, constitutional legislation which does not necessarily always mean 'compromise' (the latter has become a bad word amongst conservatives anyway).  I recall Reagan being very good at this.  Clinton was also good at it to an opposite extent.
I think he's trying to as evidenced by the things mentioned in this thread and Maher's rant.

He can't help that despite a very moderate record, every Republican I hear from screams about what a radical socialist, foreign policy pussy he is. They're acting like Veruca Salt kicking and pouting while completely ignoring his attempts to appease them. Seriously, what can he do to possibly please anyone on the right one tiny bit?

And as to your point about 'compromise' being a bad word for Republicans. EXACTLY my point.

This disgusts me that this is not satire or parody.

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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #174 on: June 06, 2012, 11:32:01 AM »
what can he do to possibly please anyone on the right one tiny bit?

Stop spending so goddamned much money that we don't have and make budget cuts!
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #175 on: June 06, 2012, 11:34:06 AM »
Stop spending so goddamned much money that we don't have and make budget cuts!

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« Reply #176 on: June 06, 2012, 11:37:08 AM »
I think he's trying to as evidenced by the things mentioned in this thread and Maher's rant.

He can't help that despite a very moderate record, every Republican I hear from screams about what a radical socialist, foreign policy pussy he is. They're acting like Veruca Salt kicking and pouting while completely ignoring his attempts to appease them. Seriously, what can he do to possibly please anyone on the right one tiny bit?

And as to your point about 'compromise' being a bad word for Republicans. EXACTLY my point.

This disgusts me that this is not satire or parody.



In all fairness, there should be NO compromise when it comes to a balanced budget. We have to control our spending....PERIOD.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #177 on: June 06, 2012, 11:44:50 AM »


What's the old saying?  There are three kinds of lies:  lies, damn lies, and statistics.  Anyone worth their weight in salt can twist numbers to make them look better (or worse). 

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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #178 on: June 06, 2012, 11:49:49 AM »


Well for one, the % is based off of the relative debt that was there when taking office and doesn't even take into account % of GDP which is a better indicator. The lower the starting number is, the easier it is to see a higher %. In 1981 when Reagan took office the debt was around 994 billion. In 1988 when he left office it was around 2.3 trillion. He added 1.4 trillion to the debt in 8 years whilst bankrupting the Soviet Union. The debt was 9.6 trillion when Obama was elected in 2008. For Fiscal Year 2012, it is projected by the Treasury to be 16.4 trillion. He will have added 6.8 trillion in 4 years. Do you really want to base your entire election philosophy off of that cutesy inaccurate graph that misrepresents? I just presented you some hard facts to look at. Think about it. He still has NOT balanced the budget or even submitted a decent budget.



Two, Obama's 16% number is completely inaccurate. Is going from 9.6 to 16.4 = 16% gain? Seriously? I know you like the maths and fractions and all, but even you can see this doesn't add up.
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Re: Why Are Obama's Critics So Dumb?
« Reply #179 on: June 06, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »
What's the old saying?  There are three kinds of lies:  lies, damn lies, and statistics.  Anyone worth their weight in salt can twist numbers to make them look better (or worse). 



Also, this is a % increase in PUBLIC DEBT which is only a fraction of the entire debt. You are correct, this is something that the Democratic Leader put together as propaganda. This is a very out of context chart.

WHO INCREASED THE DEBT? in big letters forgetting to tell you that the % numbers only apply to public debt. Very dishonest.
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