The SEC is Cheatin...Cheatin I tell ya...

Godfather · « **on:** January 12, 2012, 11:29:31 AM »

Discuss...personally while I think there are some shenanigans a foot (suitgate). Cooper sounds like a fuckin crybaby. He thinks there are things going on, maybe he should be worried about the state of Big Ten football. Go back to the farm old man.

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Former Ohio State coach says NCAA should "look into" Alabama
By Matt Scalici

Former Ohio State football coach John Cooper called the Alabama Crimson Tide "one of the most penalized teams in college football" and suggested the NCAA should investigate the program during a radio interview in Cleveland on Tuesday.

Speaking with Cleveland sports radio station 92.3 The Fan, Cooper, who was head coach for the Buckeyes from 1988 until 2000, was asked about recently fired coach Jim Tressel and his NCAA violations. Cooper explained that Ohio State's violations seemed minor in comparison to those committed recently by Southeastern Conference schools.

"I see some of these teams, the Auburns. I'm told, I don't know and I haven't coached in that league, but I'm told that down south the Alabamas and LSUs and some of these teams that have these great players, that maybe the NCAA needs to look into their situation," Cooper said. "Those teams have been on probation. As you know, Alabama's certainly one of the most penalized teams in college football, as is the Southeastern Conference. We say the SEC's the best and they are the best, but they've also had more NCAA violations than probably all the other leagues put together the last 10 years."

Earlier in the interview, Cooper said that he was impressed with the defenses on display in Monday night's BCS National Championship Game but less impressed with the quality of quarterback play in the SEC.

"They don't have many skilled quarterbacks. I thought Alabama's quarterback last night was OK. I thought LSU's was awful and I don't know if there's another good quarterback, maybe the young kid at Georgia. But I don't know if there's another good quarterback in the whole league."

Cooper, who was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2008, amassed a 2-14 record against current SEC teams during his coaching career.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:39:38 AM »

Considering the NCAA already looked into "the Auburns" and found that we are squeaky clean, I have no problem agreeing with John Cooper.

AUChizad · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:40:38 AM »

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I see some of these teams, the Auburns.

Engrish?

Is he insinuating that Auburn should be thoroughly investigated?

Has he been exposed to a TV, radio, internet, or newspaper in the past year+?

RWS · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:41:55 AM »

Yeah, if the NCAA would spend more time working the SEC schools, they would have less time to unravel coverups of infractions at tOSU.

He talks like every SEC school gives signees a signing bonus. I mean, Alabama is the only one that does that, but still.

Seriously though, I just have a hard time believe that kids are getting paid and all kinds of shit in college football on a huge level. There would just be too much to risk as far as pissing a kid off and him leaving the team and tattling, pissing some other kid on the team off because this kid got something he didn't, etc etc. The least bit of dissention, the tiniest slip of the tongue, and you could be done for. It just doesn't make any sense to conduct recruiting that way. Way too much at stake being controlled by a 17 year old kid.

Take those 3-5 guys who played for Bama who were trying to say that they were given medical scholarships and there was nothing wrong with them. Apparently they weren't happy with the program. They obviously wanted to do some sort of damage. The best they could come up with? They got booted and put on medical scholarship when they think they should have been cleared to play. And for that matter, none of them could get cleared medically where they transfered to either (thus validating Alabama's position on the matter). I would think guys like those would probably be a little more forthcoming if other dirty shit had been going on. Just my opinion.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:52:57 AM »

Quote from: RWS on January 12, 2012, 11:41:55 AM

Yeah, if the NCAA would spend more time working the SEC schools, they would have less time to unravel coverups of infractions at tOSU.

He talks like every SEC school gives signees a signing bonus. I mean, Alabama is the only one that does that, but still.

Seriously though, I just have a hard time believe that kids are getting paid and all kinds of shit in college football on a huge level. There would just be too much to risk as far as pissing a kid off and him leaving the team and tattling, pissing some other kid on the team off because this kid got something he didn't, etc etc. The least bit of dissention, the tiniest slip of the tongue, and you could be done for. It just doesn't make any sense to conduct recruiting that way. Way too much at stake being controlled by a 17 year old kid.

Take those 3-5 guys who played for Bama who were trying to say that they were given medical scholarships and there was nothing wrong with them. Apparently they weren't happy with the program. They obviously wanted to do some sort of damage. The best they could come up with? They got booted and put on medical scholarship when they think they should have been cleared to play. And for that matter, none of them could get cleared medically where they transfered to either (thus validating Alabama's position on the matter). I would think guys like those would probably be a little more forthcoming if other dirty shit had been going on. Just my opinion.

When I read about LSU's booster club having $100million+ in its savings account, I realized that it's possible for any school to keep disgruntled former players quiet.

Godfather · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:05:11 PM »

Quote from: RWS on January 12, 2012, 11:41:55 AM

Yeah, if the NCAA would spend more time working the SEC schools, they would have less time to unravel coverups of infractions at tOSU.

He talks like every SEC school gives signees a signing bonus. I mean, Alabama is the only one that does that, but still.

Seriously though, I just have a hard time believe that kids are getting paid and all kinds of shit in college football on a huge level. There would just be too much to risk as far as pissing a kid off and him leaving the team and tattling, pissing some other kid on the team off because this kid got something he didn't, etc etc. The least bit of dissention, the tiniest slip of the tongue, and you could be done for. It just doesn't make any sense to conduct recruiting that way. Way too much at stake being controlled by a 17 year old kid.

Take those 3-5 guys who played for Bama who were trying to say that they were given medical scholarships and there was nothing wrong with them. Apparently they weren't happy with the program. They obviously wanted to do some sort of damage. The best they could come up with? They got booted and put on medical scholarship when they think they should have been cleared to play. And for that matter, none of them could get cleared medically where they transfered to either (thus validating Alabama's position on the matter). I would think guys like those would probably be a little more forthcoming if other dirty shit had been going on. Just my opinion.

Serious question:

You are a big time football player, you have a choice...

#1 go hang with the boys maybe play some 360, maybe go to a bar or
#2 your 3 girl friends call you up each one asking if you want to knock some boots.

Wait, you have one more option you can go sign some shit for a 50+ year old dude down at the mall (you know just because you are a nice guy).

What do you do?

I wasn't a big time football player, but if for some reason someone did want my autograph I wouldn't be signing a bunch of shit for free just because. Fans, kids that's different, but to go to a mall and just sign a bunch of stuff for this guy. I dunno it smells fishy to me.

Kaos · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:10:06 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on January 12, 2012, 12:05:11 PM

Serious question:

You are a big time football player, you have a choice...

#1 go hang with the boys maybe play some 360, maybe go to a bar or
#2 your 3 girl friends call you up each one asking if you want to knock some boots.

Wait, you have one more option you can go sign some shit for a 50+ year old dude down at the mall (you know just because you are a nice guy).

What do you do?

I wasn't a big time football player, but if for some reason someone did want my autograph I wouldn't be signing a bunch of shit for free just because. Fans, kids that's different.

This is what HE does:

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on January 12, 2012, 12:05:11 PM

Serious question:

You are a big time football player, you have a choice...

#1 go hang with the boys maybe play some 360, maybe go to a bar or
#2 your 3 girl friends call you up each one asking if you want to knock some boots.

Wait, you have one more option you can go sign some shit for a 50+ year old dude down at the mall (you know just because you are a nice guy).

What do you do?

I wasn't a big time football player, but if for some reason someone did want my autograph I wouldn't be signing a bunch of shit for free just because. Fans, kids that's different, but to go to a mall and just sign a bunch of stuff for this guy. I dunno it smells fishy to me.

I'd knock boots with 2 of the girls at the same time....go sign some shit...come back, call the 3rd girl and have all three of them get in a pile while I alternate between watching, participating and playing XBox 360. Oh, and I'd have a sammich.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2012, 05:52:02 PM »

Guys, guys...come on now. Are your memories that faulty?

We have a trump card now; use it. It goes something like this:

Douchebag: "The SEC probably cheats."

You: "Oh yeah? At least we don't rape children."

AUChizad · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2012, 05:56:34 PM »

Quote from: Vandy Vol on January 12, 2012, 05:52:02 PM

Guys, guys...come on now. Are your memories that faulty?

We have a trump card now; use it. It goes something like this:

Douchebag: "The SEC probably cheats."

You: "Oh yeah? At least we don't rape children."

Followed by a long, hard, awkward, blank stare for several minutes.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2012, 06:04:31 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on January 12, 2012, 05:56:34 PM

Followed by a long, hard, ~~awkward, blank stare~~ penis in your butt for several minutes.

That's more like it.

RWS · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2012, 08:04:33 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on January 12, 2012, 12:05:11 PM

Serious question:

You are a big time football player, you have a choice...

#1 go hang with the boys maybe play some 360, maybe go to a bar or
#2 your 3 girl friends call you up each one asking if you want to knock some boots.

Wait, you have one more option you can go sign some shit for a 50+ year old dude down at the mall (you know just because you are a nice guy).

What do you do?

I wasn't a big time football player, but if for some reason someone did want my autograph I wouldn't be signing a bunch of shit for free just because. Fans, kids that's different, but to go to a mall and just sign a bunch of stuff for this guy. I dunno it smells fishy to me.

Do you think that's a recruiting pitch? "Yeah, if you come to Alabama, you might be able to sign some footballs for the guy some of the players get tuxes from!".

AUChizad · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2012, 09:28:36 AM »

Quote from: RWS on January 13, 2012, 08:04:33 AM

Do you think that's a recruiting pitch? "Yeah, if you come to Alabama, you might be able to sign some footballs for the guy some of the players get tuxes from!".

Is that one tiny bit relevant to this discussion?

Was the Ohio State tattoos thing a recruiting pitch?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:28:30 AM »

I heard Finedong play a recording of this the other day. He rips Cooper and says the guy needs to check his facts before running his mouth. A couple of calls later, a guy says Cooper is not really off with his facts since Alabama is one of the most penalized programs in the nation and has been on NCAA probation for 17 years. Finedong's response....are you ready....

"What is Gene Chizik's record at Auburn?"

Paul, what does that have to do with it?

"It's 8-5...Cam Newton....8-5....let's go to Harnage in Piedmont".

JR4AU · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on January 13, 2012, 10:28:30 AM

I heard Finedong play a recording of this the other day. He rips Cooper and says the guy needs to check his facts before running his mouth. A couple of calls later, a guy says Cooper is not really off with his facts since Alabama is one of the most penalized programs in the nation and has been on NCAA probation for 17 years. Finedong's response....are you ready....

"What is Gene Chizik's record at Auburn?"

Paul, what does that have to do with it?

"It's 8-5...Cam Newton....8-5....do you a trend there? let's go to Harnage in Piedmont".

Fixt...I thought: "yeah, I see a trend, a long standing trend of stupid bullshit coming out of your cock holster"

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:34:58 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on January 13, 2012, 10:32:17 AM

Fixt...I thought: "yeah, I see a trend, a long standing trend of stupid bullshit coming out of your cock holster"

When I heard that, I just thought what the hell does that have to do with a discussion of whether or not the SEC is a dirty conference? So many times, PF just can't help letting his true colors shine through.

JR4AU · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:35:44 AM »

I also heard the audio of that idiot rant by Cooper. What a fucking whining loser he sounded like.

RWS · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:40:00 AM »

Quote from: AUChizad on January 13, 2012, 09:28:36 AM

Is that one tiny bit relevant to this discussion?

Was the Ohio State tattoos thing a recruiting pitch?

Who knows? According to some here, the selling books thing was a recruiting pitch.

AUChizad · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:44:06 AM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on January 13, 2012, 10:28:30 AM

I heard Finedong play a recording of this the other day. He rips Cooper and says the guy needs to check his facts before running his mouth. A couple of calls later, a guy says Cooper is not really off with his facts since Alabama is one of the most penalized programs in the nation and has been on NCAA probation for 17 years. Finedong's response....are you ready....

"What is Gene Chizik's record at Auburn?"

Paul, what does that have to do with it?

"It's 8-5...Cam Newton....8-5....let's go to Harnage in Piedmont".

So he used the RWS Chewbacca defense.

Quote from: RWS on January 13, 2012, 10:40:00 AM

Who knows? According to some here, the selling books thing was a recruiting pitch.

No. No, they didn't. That's a strawman you've created to try to justify what clearly falls into the NCAA's definition of an "extra benefit", as "not really" being "a recruiting pitch", which means Jack Shit.

JR4AU · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2012, 10:45:18 AM »

Quote from: RWS on January 13, 2012, 10:40:00 AM

Who knows? According to some here, the selling books thing was a recruiting pitch.

You think funneling extra benefits to athletes via creative methods beyond brown paper bags isn't a selling point?