Is 2011 a mirror of 2003?

Townhallsavoy · « **on:** November 14, 2011, 03:00:23 PM »

A coworker of mine stated that next year will be dramatically different than this year. That 2011 is just like 2003 except instead of offensive woes, we're experiencing defensive woes.

Looking at 2003's results:

L USC 0-23 (blowout)
L GA Tech 3-17 (offense destroyed)
W Vanderbilt 45-7
W Western Kentucky 48-3
W Tennessee 28-21
W Arkansas 10-3
W Miss St 45-13
L LSU 7-31 (blowout)
W LA Monroe 73-7
L Ole Miss 20-24
L Georgia 7-26 (blowout)
W Alabama 28-23
W Wisconsin 28-14

8-5.
Four embarrassing blowouts.
Severe struggles on one side of the ball especially when faced against quality competition.
A few good wins (Tennessee, Arkansas, Wisconsin).
A lot of players returning for the 2004 season, which has a favorable schedule.
Quarterback uncertainty.
Talented running backs.
Offensive coordinator a debacle.

This year:

7-6 or 8-5.
Three-four embarrassing blowouts.
A few good wins (Florida, South Carolina, hopefully bowl game)
A lot of players returning for the 2012 season, which has a favorable schedule.
Quarterback uncertainty.
Talented running backs.
Defensive coordinator debacle.

I disagreed with him.

What do you think?

Saniflush · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:06:14 PM »

chinook · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:16:19 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on November 14, 2011, 03:06:14 PM

No.

well said.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:24:03 PM »

Big difference is that 2003 was expected to be a championship contending team, this year was not. So to me the disappointment is not as high this year.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:26:45 PM »

If anything, 2011 is a mirror of 2009...only worse.

Of course, if it means getting a 28-23 win over alabama, then I will most definitely agree.

JR4AU · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:29:51 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 14, 2011, 03:00:23 PM

A coworker of mine stated that next year will be dramatically different than this year. That 2011 is just like 2003 except instead of offensive woes, we're experiencing defensive woes.

Looking at 2003's results:

L USC 0-23 (blowout)
L GA Tech 3-17 (offense destroyed)
W Vanderbilt 45-7
W Western Kentucky 48-3
W Tennessee 28-21
W Arkansas 10-3
W Miss St 45-13
L LSU 7-31 (blowout)
W LA Monroe 73-7
L Ole Miss 20-24
L Georgia 7-26 (blowout)
W Alabama 28-23
W Wisconsin 28-14

8-5.
Four embarrassing blowouts.
Severe struggles on one side of the ball especially when faced against quality competition.
A few good wins (Tennessee, Arkansas, Wisconsin).
A lot of players returning for the 2004 season, which has a favorable schedule.
Quarterback uncertainty.
Talented running backs.
Offensive coordinator a debacle.

This year:

7-6 or 8-5.
Three-four embarrassing blowouts.
A few good wins (Florida, South Carolina, hopefully bowl game)
A lot of players returning for the 2012 season, which has a favorable schedule.
Quarterback uncertainty.
Talented running backs.
Defensive coordinator debacle.

I disagreed with him.

What do you think?

I agree with your disagreement.

AUChizad · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:34:05 PM »

Quote from: Buzz Killington on November 14, 2011, 03:26:45 PM

Of course, if it means getting a 28-23 win over alabama, then I will most definitely agree.

Not that this means jack shit, but in the last 10 years against our two biggest rivals, we are 3-7 vs. UGA, and 7-3 vs. Bama.

Just sayin.

Saniflush · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on November 14, 2011, 03:34:05 PM

Not that this means jack shit, but in the last 10 years against our two biggest rivals, we are 3-7 vs. UGA, and 7-3 vs. Bama.

Just sayin.

Those years don't count.
Bama was down.

JR4AU · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2011, 03:36:47 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on November 14, 2011, 03:35:36 PM

Those years don't count.
Bama was down.

^^^This, every stinkin' word of it.

Kaos · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:09:25 PM »

No comparison.

2003 was a vastly talented team that got the swell head and never really recovered from it.

I still remember somebody (either an NFL scout or one of the national media guys) telling me prior to 2003 that he'd never seen that much talent position by position on a football field anywhere -- not even at the NFL.

Ronnie Brown - NFL starter
Carnell - NFL starter
Devin - NFL starter
Courtney Taylor - NFL starter (for a year, anyway)
Ben Obomananu (Tuberville never got his name right) - NFL starter
Karlos Dansby - NFL starter
Tim Duckworth - NFL reserve
King Dunlap - NFL starter
Quentin Groves - NFL reserve
Ben Grubbs - NFL reserve
Will Herring - NFL starter
Kevin Hobbs - NFL reserve
TJ Jackson - NFL roster at least one season
Brandon Jacobs - NFL starter
Stanley McClover - NFL roster
Anthony Mix - NFL Roster
Marcus McNeill - NFL starter
Jay Ratliff - NFL starter
Carlos Rogers - NFL starter
Dontarrius Thomas - NFL starter
Reggie Torbor - NFL starter

I might have missed a few.

How many players on the field Saturday will make an NFL roster? Lutz? Dismukes in a year or two? McCalebb? Dyer?

It ain't the same. We were poised for greatness in 2003, read too much about ourselves, got our teeth kicked in and then got pissed and got revenge in 2004. Because we had the talent.

I don't think we have it now, despite what the services say.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:13:43 PM »

I always love watching young players get reps and develop. This year is unprecedented with the number of true freshmen seeing significant playing time and normally, that would give me hope that this program is about to kick the door down. Tre Mason, Quan Bray, Kiehl Frazier, Reese Dismukes, Gabe Wright, Angelo Blackson, Jerome Whitehead, Erique Florence, Devaunte Sigler, CJ UzAHma (Fuck you Verne) and a few more that don't come to mind. BUT...

We have no QB and our line consists of one of those true freshmen, a 2* who camped well, a converted tight end and Turnstile Green. Who the hell is going to play on the line in 2012. With as many true freshmen that have played at other positions, I have to believe if Westerman and Robinson were any damn good, they would have been in there. That whole situation is disturbing.

And on D....they have to continue to recruit hard and get in the weight room. But first, clean house on that side of the ball. Ted Roof has been here the better part of 3 years and in 37 games as DC, his squads have allowed 30 or more points 17 times, with Bama lurking in 2 weeks to name their score. Enough!!! This is the worst defensive stretch in Auburn history and enough is enough. We can analyze it and break it down any way we want to. The bottom line is Roof is the DC of the worst defenses in Auburn history. Chizik either needs to take control of the entire situation over there or run Roof off.

So, no..next year shouldn't look anything like 2004.

JR4AU · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:25:47 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 14, 2011, 04:09:25 PM

No comparison.

2003 was a vastly talented team that got the swell head and never really recovered from it.

I still remember somebody (either an NFL scout or one of the national media guys) telling me prior to 2003 that he'd never seen that much talent position by position on a football field anywhere -- not even at the NFL.

Ronnie Brown - NFL starter
Carnell - NFL starter
Devin - NFL starter
Courtney Taylor - NFL starter (for a year, anyway)
Ben Obomananu (Tuberville never got his name right) - NFL starter
Karlos Dansby - NFL starter
Tim Duckworth - NFL reserve
King Dunlap - NFL starter
Quentin Groves - NFL reserve
Ben Grubbs - NFL reserve
Will Herring - NFL starter
Kevin Hobbs - NFL reserve
TJ Jackson - NFL roster at least one season
Brandon Jacobs - NFL starter
Stanley McClover - NFL roster
Anthony Mix - NFL Roster
Marcus McNeill - NFL starter
Jay Ratliff - NFL starter
Carlos Rogers - NFL starter
Dontarrius Thomas - NFL starter
Reggie Torbor - NFL starter

I might have missed a few.

How many players on the field Saturday will make an NFL roster? Lutz? Dismukes in a year or two? McCalebb? Dyer?

It ain't the same. We were poised for greatness in 2003, read too much about ourselves, got our teeth kicked in and then got pissed and got revenge in 2004. Because we had the talent.

I don't think we have it now, despite what the services say.

One of the things that you "youth isn't an excuse" folks miss about youth is that they've not had 2 or 3 off seasons to develop in the weight room. It's not just that they're nearly through with this season and should have "gotten it by now". The guys that didn't start or play last season, they didn't get near the practice reps either. If you think youth isn't an excuse, that's cool, whatever. It is a fact.

It's hard to say who on this team will turn out to be good in their Jr. and Sr. Seasons. Look at the transformation made by Fairley from 2009 to 2010. He wasn't shit in 2009. Was it attitude? Was it off season training? Finally getting what his job was through practice reps? All of the above to some extent or another most likely. But one year made a huge difference. Look at the physical and playing difference in Lemonier from when he first stepped on campus and now.

We all knew this season would be rough, and we knew why. Now, it's like this is totally unexpected.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:29:50 PM »

I think we all expected struggles. We didn't expect to get blown out.

I mean, if I told you prior to the season that Georgia would lose to Boise State and South Carolina and then struggle to win the rest of their meaningful games, would you say that Auburn would have no shot at even making it a game against Georgia? Would "youth" make you say, "Yeah we're too young to hang with Georgia"?

Kaos · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:33:07 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on November 14, 2011, 04:25:47 PM

We all knew this season would be rough, and we knew why. Now, it's like this is totally unexpected.

We knew when we dressed up we were going to have sex.

We didn't expect to get thrown down the stairs, assaulted with a broom handle and pounded in the throat with a pulsing dick.

It's not the same.

Losing to UGA 24-14 or 31-20 is ok. Getting assraped 45-7 is not.

Of the ten worst defensive performances in the history of AU football, eight have come since Roof arrived. What does that say?

The top three worst defensive teams in the history of Auburn football? You've seen them ... 1. 2. 3 in a row. Something isn't right.

AUChizad · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:35:09 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on November 14, 2011, 04:25:47 PM

One of the things that you "youth isn't an excuse" folks miss about youth is that they've not had 2 or 3 off seasons to develop in the weight room. It's not just that they're nearly through with this season and should have "gotten it by now". The guys that didn't start or play last season, they didn't get near the practice reps either. If you think youth isn't an excuse, that's cool, whatever. It is a fact.

It's hard to say who on this team will turn out to be good in their Jr. and Sr. Seasons. Look at the transformation made by Fairley from 2009 to 2010. He wasn't shit in 2009. Was it attitude? Was it off season training? Finally getting what his job was through practice reps? All of the above to some extent or another most likely. But one year made a huge difference. Look at the physical and playing difference in Lemonier from when he first stepped on campus and now.

We all knew this season would be rough, and we knew why. Now, it's like this is totally unexpected.

That's all well and good, but it doesn't seem to be a problem for LSU.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:37:03 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 14, 2011, 04:09:25 PM

No comparison.

2003 was a vastly talented team that got the swell head and never really recovered from it.

I still remember somebody (either an NFL scout or one of the national media guys) telling me prior to 2003 that he'd never seen that much talent position by position on a football field anywhere -- not even at the NFL.

Ronnie Brown - NFL starter
Carnell - NFL starter
Devin - NFL starter
Courtney Taylor - NFL starter (for a year, anyway)
Ben Obomananu (Tuberville never got his name right) - NFL starter
Karlos Dansby - NFL starter
Tim Duckworth - NFL reserve
King Dunlap - NFL starter
Quentin Groves - NFL reserve
Ben Grubbs - NFL reserve
Will Herring - NFL starter
Kevin Hobbs - NFL reserve
TJ Jackson - NFL roster at least one season
Brandon Jacobs - NFL starter
Stanley McClover - NFL roster
Anthony Mix - NFL Roster
Marcus McNeill - NFL starter
Jay Ratliff - NFL starter
Carlos Rogers - NFL starter
Dontarrius Thomas - NFL starter
Reggie Torbor - NFL starter

I might have missed a few.

How many players on the field Saturday will make an NFL roster? Lutz? Dismukes in a year or two? McCalebb? Dyer?

It ain't the same. We were poised for greatness in 2003, read too much about ourselves, got our teeth kicked in and then got pissed and got revenge in 2004. Because we had the talent.

I don't think we have it now, despite what the services say.

Jason Campbell - NFL starter

That one was too obvious to ignore.

AWK · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2011, 04:54:05 PM »

No. no. no. Our entire team is collectively a big woe...not just the defense.

Except Special teams...I likes dem.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #17 on:** November 14, 2011, 05:07:30 PM »

Quote from: AWK on November 14, 2011, 04:54:05 PM

No. no. no. Our entire team is collectively a big woe...not just the defense.

Except Special teams...I likes dem.

Tre Mason says to tell you, "My head hurts."

JR4AU · « **Reply #18 on:** November 14, 2011, 05:58:06 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on November 14, 2011, 04:35:09 PM

That's all well and good, but it doesn't seem to be a problem for LSU.

Because it's not a fact for LSU...

OL: 2 Sr's, 2 Jr's, 1 Soph
WRs/TEs: 1 Sr, 2 Jr, and one Fr (listed as the #3 in the 3WR set)
QBs: Rotating 2 Sr QBs with loads of experience.
Backs: 1 Sr, 2 So.

In fact the only Fr. listed on the 2 deep on offense are 2 WRs listed as "#3 in the 3 WR set.

DL (2 deep): 1 Sr, 2 Jr, 2 Soph, 1 Fr.
LBs (2 Deep): 3 Sr., 3 Soph. (Listed starers 2 Sr.)
CBs (2 Deep, including "Nickle" and "Dime" as they list them): 1 Sr., 2 Jr., 2 Soph (one is which is Mathieu)
Safety: (2 Deep) 2 Sr., 2 Soph

So, you're comparison to Auburn's starting group is way off. Again, if you want to say "youth isn't an excuse" then that's fine, but don't try act like LSU's depth chart is comparable to ours. We have 2 Fr on the field for nearly every snap on offense, rotate in a couple of more at skill spots, and start or rotate in 4 on defense, maybe more now that T Bell is done.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #19 on:** November 14, 2011, 07:40:00 PM »

Auburn's for comparison's sake:

OL: 2 Sr's, 1 Jr, 1 RS Fr, 1 FR
WRs: 1 Sr, 2 Jr's, (1 Jr backing up Blake - Benton)
TE: 1 Jr
RB: 1 Jr, 1 Soph
QB: 1 Sophomore

DL: 4 Sophomores (2 sophomores, 2 freshmen on 2nd string)
LB: 1 Sr, 2 Jr, 1 Sophomore (2 Sophomores, 2 Freshmen on 2nd string)
CB: (Before Bell's Injury) 1 jr, 1 sophomore (1 sophomore, 1 freshman on 2nd string)
Safety: 1 Sr, 1 Sophomore (1 Sophomore, 1 Freshman on 2nd string)