Close Penn State Down

[AUChizad]

He put men into boys.

LOL'ed hard here.

Would there be rallies in the street if this had been some valued assistant on Bear Bryant's staff and the old man was forced out? 

They'd be burning Tuscaloosa to the ground today. 

That's the difference between programs that are icon based and programs that are family based like Auburn's. 

No man is greater than the University. 

When it comes to some, one man is the program.  Idol worshippers. 

I thought of this exact same thing. To a degree, even Saban. Imagine if you combined Saban & Bear into one figure. But he was there for all the in-between years too.

That would be what Penn State thinks of this man.

I can't imagine Bammers not acting exactly the same way if this exact same thing came out and the equivalent of Saban AND Bear knew about it.

[Saniflush]

LOL'ed hard here.
I thought of this exact same thing. To a degree, even Saban. Imagine if you combined Saban & Bear into one figure. But he was there for all the in-between years too.

That would be what Penn State thinks of this man.

I can't imagine Bammers not acting exactly the same way if this exact same thing came out and the equivalent of Saban AND Bear knew about it.

WTH you mean?  I thought Bear was diddling boys?

[JR4AU]

[Kaos]

^^
Hearty laughter emanated.

[djsimp]

What's a little sodomy of a 10 year old?  This is JoPa.  They treated him mean.  His players graduated.  He made men into boys....I mean, men out of boys....in, out...you know what I mean.

For real. I'm sure if any of these protesters had been raped as a child, they wouldn't be supporting this shit. Hell, a person with a half ass sense of common decency wouldn't be out picketing this shit. I can't even stomach to read half the links posted on the X, so its far beyond my understanding why in the hell these JoePa supporters are doing what they are doing. Who gives a shit if JoePa graduated 100% of his players, there were 10 yr old kids fucking raped in his locker room showers and did nothing.

[Kaos]

Man. 

The hysterical nancys are out in full force. 

You're all acting like Paterno was in the shower videotaping the shit. 

He had ONE incident reported to him 11 years ago.  There are questions about exactly what he was told.  He may or may not have understood that Jerry was raping a kid.  From his testimony, he was told that Jerry was going a little overboard with the bonding.   

The rest, it can reasonably be assumed, was kept from him. 

But we know his name.  Crucify!  Crucify!! 

[wesfau2]

Man. 

The hysterical nancys are out in full force. 

You're all acting like Paterno was in the shower videotaping the shit. 

Did you read the grand jury doc?

He had ONE incident reported to him 11 years ago.

No, there were more.

There are questions about exactly what he was told.  He may or may not have understood that Jerry was raping a kid.  From his testimony, he was told that Jerry was going a little overboard with the bonding.   
 

Again, did you read the text?  Joe says that he was told that Sandusky was fondling or doing something of a sexual nature with a young boy. 

[Kaos]

Did you read the grand jury doc?

No, there were more.



Again, did you read the text?  Joe says that he was told that Sandusky was fondling or doing something of a sexual nature with a young boy.

Yeah.  I read it all.

I only saw one instance where it was reported to Paterno or where it could be reasonably assumed that he was definitely informed. 

"Something of a sexual nature."


Ok.  Nobody wants that around them.  Nobody wants the stigma.  Nobody is going to run to the press with that.   They did what is ALWAYS done in these situations.  They went to the guy, confronted him, gave him an opportunity to leave with dignity, quietly and in the interests of preserving the presige of the college. 

Happens all the time.  I can go to any college campus and show you professors still on staff who have been charged with sexual misconduct.  They're there because they've settled and people don't want the image tarnished. 

Open the door to the Catholic Church.  The freaking cardinals and bishops are worse than Joe. 

I'm sure Sandusky was tearful and appropriately remorseful.  I'm sure he bawled and apologized and said it was a one-time thing, he was under stress, he was on medication, he was having Vietnam flashbacks -- whatever.  He put on a performance.  They wanted it to go away.   

He was sanctioned: No job. Don't try to get one.  Get out and go live quietly. Don't do that shit again. 

Maybe they even saw his work with The Second Mile as his attempt to redeem himself and atone for that shit.


All I'm saying is the rush to crucify Paterno is nothing but a public relations stunt.  It's exactly the same thing as quietly easing Sandusky out the door. It's manipulated to try to salvage the image of the school.  And Paterno pays the price.  His reputation is ruined -- and I'm not sure it's merited. 

Paterno did exactly the same thing thousand and thousands of other administrators have done in the past and will do tomorrow and the day after that.  He tried to make a bad situation go away while inflicting the least damage.  Not sure me, you or anybody else wouldn't follow the same path. 

[wesfau2]

Not sure me, you or anybody else wouldn't follow the same path.

The GA comes to Paterno and relays the graphic sexual assault described in the report.  Paterno softens it to "fondling or something of a sexual nature with a young boy."

Standing alone, this is enough that Joe should have done more than report to the administration.  Coupled with Sandusky's prior brush with the law for a related charge, Joe is at fault for failing to do more or to recognize a pattern of behavior.  Sandusky's continued association with the PSU football program and parading of children through the complex...and bringing the victim on overnight road trips with the team...should have had claxon sirens sounding off the interior of his thick fucking head.

Fuck the apologism for kindly old Joe.  If he wasn't complicit in covering for Sandusky, he was willfully fucking blind.

[Token]

Yeah.  I read it all.

I only saw one instance where it was reported to Paterno or where it could be reasonably assumed that he was definitely informed. 

"Something of a sexual nature."


Ok.  Nobody wants that around them.  Nobody wants the stigma.  Nobody is going to run to the press with that.   They did what is ALWAYS done in these situations.  They went to the guy, confronted him, gave him an opportunity to leave with dignity, quietly and in the interests of preserving the presige of the college. 

Happens all the time.  I can go to any college campus and show you professors still on staff who have been charged with sexual misconduct.  They're there because they've settled and people don't want the image tarnished. 

Open the door to the Catholic Church.  The freaking cardinals and bishops are worse than Joe. 

I'm sure Sandusky was tearful and appropriately remorseful.  I'm sure he bawled and apologized and said it was a one-time thing, he was under stress, he was on medication, he was having Vietnam flashbacks -- whatever.  He put on a performance.  They wanted it to go away.   

He was sanctioned: No job. Don't try to get one.  Get out and go live quietly. Don't do that shit again. 

Maybe they even saw his work with The Second Mile as his attempt to redeem himself and atone for that shit.


All I'm saying is the rush to crucify Paterno is nothing but a public relations stunt.  It's exactly the same thing as quietly easing Sandusky out the door. It's manipulated to try to salvage the image of the school.  And Paterno pays the price.  His reputation is ruined -- and I'm not sure it's merited. 

Paterno did exactly the same thing thousand and thousands of other administrators have done in the past and will do tomorrow and the day after that.  He tried to make a bad situation go away while inflicting the least damage.  Not sure me, you or anybody else wouldn't follow the same path.

This is bullshit.  You're playing devil's advocate.  No way you believe what you just typed.  No fucking way.  For whatever reason, you fancy being the lone ranger.  I get that. 

But after all the shit you talk about doing.  For making a complete asshole out of yourself over a fucking tomato, and you really expect me to believe poor little Joe is a victim here?

Fuck that.

[JR4AU]

This is bullshit.  You're playing devil's advocate.  No way you believe what you just typed.  No fucking way.  For whatever reason, you fancy being the lone ranger.  I get that. 

But after all the shit you talk about doing.  For making a complete asshole out of yourself over a fucking tomato, and you really expect me to believe poor little Joe is a victim here?

Fuck that.

                                                                                                                           


Yeah, he's playing devil's advocate.

[Snaggletiger]

                                                                                                                           


Yeah, he's playing devil's advocate.

Agreed.  And the tomato thing made me chortle.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Agreed.  And the tomato thing made me chortle.

You mean







                 

[Townhallsavoy]

This is bullshit.  You're playing devil's advocate.  No way you believe what you just typed.  No fucking way.  For whatever reason, you fancy being the lone ranger.  I get that. 

But after all the shit you talk about doing.  For making a complete asshole out of yourself over a fucking tomato, and you really expect me to believe poor little Joe is a victim here?

Fuck that.

 

[Snaggletiger]

You mean







                 

Fine, rub it in why dont'cha

[Kaos]

This is bullshit.  You're playing devil's advocate.  No way you believe what you just typed.  No fucking way.  For whatever reason, you fancy being the lone ranger.  I get that. 

But after all the shit you talk about doing.  For making a complete asshole out of yourself over a fucking tomato, and you really expect me to believe poor little Joe is a victim here?

Fuck that.

Tomatoes are important.  Leave one on my sandwich and I'll show you just how imporant they are, pedro.

And yeah, I pretty much do believe it. 

Don't know what was said behind closed doors or how Sandusky reacted if/when confronted.

You know yourself that this shit happens at colleges, churches, little league programs, cheerleader camps, softball teams, police departments and anywhere else adults come in contact with vulnerable kids.   It happens all the time. 

I know a place right now where a guy is still teaching after having four complaints lodged against him for inappropriate contact.  He's still there because he has tenure, because most of the parents/kids just want to forget it ever happened, because he's a really swell guy and everybody likes him and because things get quietly settled. 

I can show you a church where the youth minister was drilling a high school sophomore on the youth building stage on a regular basis.  He had a wife and kids.  Nobody wants the scandal so it is quietly dispensed with.  The church doesn't let him leave because that would spark more conversation.  So he stays.  And his duties are changed. 

You know it happens. 

You also know that the handling of Sandusky was pretty much by the book for a big enterprise like that.  They did what's always done.  The only difference is Sandusky couldn't get control of himself and he kept on taking risks. 

The people at PSU, including Paterno probably, didn't see because they didn't WANT to see. 

[Townhallsavoy]

The people at PSU, including Paterno probably, didn't see because they didn't WANT to see.

Which is precisely why Paterno should be lambasted for his lack of effort to put a stop to Sandusky's actions.

One of the most powerful men in Pennsylvania "didn't want to see."  No where near acceptable and should be chastised to the fullest extent. 

[Snaggletiger]

Oh it definitely happens at cheerleading camps.  This one time.....I mean, damn that Paterno.

[Saniflush]

Oh it definitely happens at cheerleading camps.  This one time.....I mean, damn that Paterno.

And he's a witch.

[wesfau2]

Willful blindness is just as culpable.  Fuck Joe.