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The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished

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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 04:05:06 PM »
If I'm a coach, and I have a suspicion that an assistant coach is fucking little boys in the locker room, I'm sorry, but I think I would do a little more than the "minimum" that I were supposed to do, and then walk away. Especially after somebody on my staff witnessed it. I think that's what everybody is upset about. He made a halfass attempt at reporting it, and was complacent when he saw that it wasn't going to go anywhere. He wanted to make sure his ass was covered in reporting it, and was just fine when it was swept under the rug. He sure as hell didn't want that scandal to tarnish his image, and thought it had been laid to rest.


You fuck goats. 

Anybody reported that yet? 



He reported it.  His superiors did nothing.  Reasonable to assume that they found nothing.  Reasonable to assume they told him not to worry about it. 

Whatever.  Keep building the cross and putting the firewood beneath it. 
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2011, 04:08:09 PM »
Dude, the GA said that he flat out saw him having the boy up against the wall in the shower and fucking him in the ass. That's a far cry from "Yeah, well you know I didn't really see exactly what happened, they might have just been horsing around, his hand slipped". Far far cry from it.

Are you absolutely positive you read the whole thing?

You fucking illiterate goat fucker. 

What the GA says he saw and what he told Paterno he saw are two vastly different things.  Nowhere does he say he told Joe that he saw somebody getting ass raped.  From all indications he told him he saw something "of a sexual nature"  Not the same, goat boy.

Get back to fucking Nancy.  Or Nellie.  Or whoever has a turn today.   Here's some porn for you to get you cranked. 

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2011, 04:12:09 PM »
Whatever.  Keep building the cross and putting the firewood beneath it.
The funny thing is, if you remove Paterno and insert Saban (or any other coach you hate) into this whole scandal, you would be chopping down any tree you could find. Doing the mere "minimum" by reporting to his superior wouldn't be enough. You would be at the front of the mob. Not sure why Paterno deserves any kind of defense. Sure, he wasn't the one doing the deed. But he knew what was going on, and was just fine when he reported it and nothing came of it. All the while this guy was still allowed to parade young boy after young boy around the program, etc.

Just from reading the stuff from the grand jury, you can tell that if Paterno didn't understand what was happening, he didn't want to know. A reasonable person can read that document and tell that there was shit covered up. Nobody wanted this to be exposed. Joe Pa certainly didn't need it to tarnish his career.
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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2011, 04:43:59 PM »

You fuck goats. 

Anybody reported that yet? 



He reported it.  His superiors did nothing.  Reasonable to assume that they found nothing.  Reasonable to assume they told him not to worry about it. 

Whatever.  Keep building the cross and putting the firewood beneath it.


And even after all that, he STILL let the fucking pervert take up residence in the damn lockerroom on a continuing basis.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2011, 04:58:11 PM »
You fucking illiterate goat fucker. 

What the GA says he saw and what he told Paterno he saw are two vastly different things.  Nowhere does he say he told Joe that he saw somebody getting ass raped.  From all indications he told him he saw something "of a sexual nature"  Not the same, goat boy.
The GA says he told Paterno he saw them having sex. It says he told him this right in the document.

The GA says he told Curley and Schultz that he saw Sandusky and the boy having sex.

Joe Pa says it as he was told that Sandusky was possibly doing something of a sexual nature with the boy.

A few weeks later, the AD reports back to the GA saying they took Sandusky's keys to the locker room away. Of course Curley and Schultz are going to deny that the GA said he specifically saw them having sex. It's their ass if they admit they knew. Joe Pa isn't going to say shit to implicate himself either. If this GA had nothing to do with it, and didn't see anything, why the hell would he speak up saying he saw it? Why would you want to throw yourself in the middle of that for no reason? Why would they take Sandusky's keys if what was reported wasn't credible? The grand jury specifically stated that they found the GA's testimony credible. Why? Because it makes sense. For that matter, the GA needs to be gone too.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2011, 06:04:42 PM »
Picture any other crime.

If Sandusky was a serial killer and the GA saw him chopping up the body of a sorority girl in the showers and told Joe Pa "Holy Shit, I saw Coach in the showers chopping up a Tri Delt with a butcher knife!!", do you think JoePa would have called his boss and never said another word or would he have called the cops? 

Would JoePa have mentioned it to the AD and never said another word when Sandusky kept hanging out at the AD for the next ten years even after he retired and kept bringing sorority girls on trips with the team?

Doubt it.
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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2011, 06:25:08 PM »
Picture any other crime.

If Sandusky was a serial killer and the GA saw him chopping up the body of a sorority girl in the showers and told Joe Pa "Holy Shit, I saw Coach in the showers chopping up a Tri Delt with a butcher knife!!", do you think JoePa would have called his boss and never said another word or would he have called the cops? 

Would JoePa have mentioned it to the AD and never said another word when Sandusky kept hanging out at the AD for the next ten years even after he retired and kept bringing sorority girls on trips with the team?

Doubt it.

Whether you admit it or not, it's a different situation.

You expose a murderer and you're a hero. You expose a pedophile in your organization and everybody in it gets painted with the same brush.  That's just the way things are.

If they weren't you'd hear about a shitload more of this. 

It's stigmatized.  First response is bury and protect the institution -- whatever it is. 

Oh hey, Father Mike.  Come on in.  Billy will be down in a minute. Say, why are you wearing that Easter Bunny suit? And is that a carrot?   
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2011, 06:31:31 PM »
Whether you admit it or not, it's a different situation.

You expose a murderer and you're a hero. You expose a pedophile in your organization and everybody in it gets painted with the same brush.  That's just the way things are.

If they weren't you'd hear about a shitload more of this. 

It's stigmatized.  First response is bury and protect the institution -- whatever it is. 

Oh hey, Father Mike.  Come on in.  Billy will be down in a minute. Say, why are you wearing that Easter Bunny suit? And is that a carrot?

I've gotta disagree with you here.  If they expose a pedophile they are still looked at as heros.  By not exposing a pedophile they now look like they were in on it too.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2011, 07:29:10 PM »
You expose a murderer and you're a hero. You expose a pedophile in your organization and everybody in it gets painted with the same brush.  That's just the way things are.

Fuck.  That.  Noise.

It's a fucking 11 year old.  I don't give a flying fuck if someone wants to call me Ru Paul and ostracize me from my entire profession for all of eternity.

I am NOT going to sit on my ass when some adult has forced a child into that sick of a situation.

"But Joe Pa is hard of hearing and thinks he was only told that it was of a 'sexual nature'."

I don't give a rat's ass.  If I hear "Sandusky," "11 year old," and "sexual nature" in one fucking sentence, that ass clown is going to get a first class beating before I call the police.

There is simply no excuse.  I don't care how great of a coach Joe Paterno was, is, or ever will be, nor do I care how much of a hard-on anyone has for him based upon his silly ass record in a fucking college game.  There was real-life shit that needed to be dealt with, and he failed.  Not as a coach who was to be "painted with the same brush" and kicked out because people would assume things.  He failed as a fucking human being.

Fuck him.  Fuck Sandusky.  And fuck anyone who thinks everything was hunky-dory in that situation.
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2011, 07:44:11 PM »
Fuck.  That.  Noise.

It's a fucking 11 year old.  I don't give a flying fuck if someone wants to call me Ru Paul and ostracize me from my entire profession for all of eternity.

I am NOT going to sit on my ass when some adult has forced a child into that sick of a situation.

"But Joe Pa is hard of hearing and thinks he was only told that it was of a 'sexual nature'."

I don't give a rat's ass.  If I hear "Sandusky," "11 year old," and "sexual nature" in one fucking sentence, that ass clown is going to get a first class beating before I call the police.

There is simply no excuse.  I don't care how great of a coach Joe Paterno was, is, or ever will be, nor do I care how much of a hard-on anyone has for him based upon his silly ass record in a fucking college game.  There was real-life shit that needed to be dealt with, and he failed.  Not as a coach who was to be "painted with the same brush" and kicked out because people would assume things.  He failed as a fucking human being.

Fuck him.  Fuck Sandusky.  And fuck anyone who thinks everything was hunky-dory in that situation.
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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2011, 08:11:12 PM »
Fuck.  That.  Noise.

It's a fucking 11 year old.  I don't give a flying fuck if someone wants to call me Ru Paul and ostracize me from my entire profession for all of eternity.

I am NOT going to sit on my ass when some adult has forced a child into that sick of a situation.

"But Joe Pa is hard of hearing and thinks he was only told that it was of a 'sexual nature'."

I don't give a rat's ass.  If I hear "Sandusky," "11 year old," and "sexual nature" in one fucking sentence, that ass clown is going to get a first class beating before I call the police.

There is simply no excuse.  I don't care how great of a coach Joe Paterno was, is, or ever will be, nor do I care how much of a hard-on anyone has for him based upon his silly ass record in a fucking college game.  There was real-life shit that needed to be dealt with, and he failed.  Not as a coach who was to be "painted with the same brush" and kicked out because people would assume things.  He failed as a fucking human being.

Fuck him.  Fuck Sandusky.  And fuck anyone who thinks everything was hunky-dory in that situation.

Things are the way they are Peter Parker. 

I didn't make them that way, David Bamner. 

I just know what is.  Doesn't make it morally right, but it is what it is. 

Your law partner murders somebody and your firm can survive.  Your partner buggers kids and you're done too.  People will always assume you were complicit. 
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2011, 10:38:53 PM »
BTW, I was wrong.  No evidence Paterno knew about the 1998-99 incident.  Only that he was made aware of something inappropriate in 2002.  He told his bosses.

Call the media? Call the police?

That's not his place. 

He told who he was supposed to tell. Followed the rules.   You don't know what his contract says. He might be prohibited from talking outside of school about shit.  He may have been specifically told not to. 

Nobody's going to run to the media or the cops in opposition of their bosses.  Not even you (collective you, not individual). Not when they don't know the entire situation and there's no indication he did.

If he'd run to the media behind his bosses back?  He'd have been fired anyway. 


You want to start the crucifixion train? 

What about Joseph Miller? Steve Turchetta? What about the parents who knew and let it go?

Why is Mike McQueary (great name) still going to be on staff when he saw (allegedly) with his own eyes that Sandusky was piledriving kids?  How is that possibly the right move?

Move up the chain? Sorry K you are way off on this. Did you read the 23 page report? 2002 was not the first time he was caught in the showers with a kid. The maintenance staff reported seeing Sandusky give a bj to a young boy in 2000.   This was not a first time incident and I guarantee more shit will come out.  IMO this was a good ole boy cover up and Paterno was involved. You mean to tell me with everyone saying that Paterno was the football program and that he still had a death grip on everything Regarding the program yet did not know about any of this shit?  You can give me a shit sandwich and tell me it's roast beef , but it's still a shit sandwich and I ain't buying.

But I digress I got off point, did Paterno tell his superiors, he says he did. That's not good enough, this is not a case of racism or of him sticking an athlete in a closet. This isn't him hitting an player or throwing a chair at him. This is sexual abuts of a ten year old child. An innocent child. This is so far removed from anything even plausible. For you to defend his actions or dismiss is lack of action is beyond my grasp.

But I'll play along, so Joe Pa knows only that something bad happened in the shower (because I am so sure that McQuery didn't give him specifics) but whatever so McQuery gives him no information. Joe Pa still thought it was bad enough to take it to his superiors. Ok so then that's all he does...so explain to me....what the fuck is this guy still doing on campus as of last week with full access to the program?  For that alone IMO JoePa should be fired. Even if all the other shit were true (which I don't believe BTW) there is no arguing that this guy was still allowed on campus and in the facilities.

As far as JoePa going behind his bosses back. You mean to tell me the guy that has been there for over a decade wasn't more powerful than the AD or the President for that matter? Again I call utter bullshit. He ran that program and he was that program for the las 46 some odd years.

Your argument about McQuery and any one else involved, I agree they should be fired. IMO everyone that knew about this shit and never went to the police about it are just as responsible as Sandusky. Sandusky is sick in the head and a fucked up individual. What is everyone else's excuse? /rant off
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2011, 10:45:01 PM »
Your law partner murders somebody and your firm can survive.  Your partner buggers kids and you're done too.  People will always assume you were complicit.

Do what?  Everyone a pedo comes in contact with is also a pedo or enabled his pedo behavior? 

Maybe in the Kaos world view.  Why would a guy be treated like a pariah because his business partner was a pedo?   If the guy wasn't raping kids on the couch in the lobby during business hours, then how was the partner to know?  If the partner walked in on the guy AND DID NOTHING, then and only then is he complicit, when the truth finally does come out, and it always does eventually.  I would not remove my business from my attorney just because his partner gets arrested for child molestation unless my attorney actually knew and did nothing.

Had JoePa or McQuerey or Spanier called the cops, PennState would have weathered the storm in strong fashion.  The coverup is what cost them.

What about the assistant HS principal who IMMEDIATELY called the cops and banned Sandusky from all district facilities?  He is a hero.  That guy is not complicit - his school district is not a pedo ranch - the other teachers and coaches are not tarred with that brush.  Why?  THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2011, 10:45:32 PM »
I get that.  And if you asked him today he would probably say he failed to do what he should because he tried to do what was best for everybody. 

I also get that he did what he thought he was supposed to do.  Prime directive?  Protect Penn State.  It meant everything to him.  Still does.

Go to the police?  Seriously?  Last resort.  It's public then and even if he is the one who physically reports it, the stain will last forever. He knows that. 

Did his effort to protect what mattered to him most blow up in his ancient face?  Yeah. 

But crucifying him when there are DOZENS of other people who knew and did even less than Paterno? 

Fuck that.
He certainly wasn't protecting the boy that got ass raped or anyone after that. For you to defend him for anyone to defend him boggles my mind. Your comparisons of a boss and coworker aren't even in the same realm of what happened in this case. There is no scenario that you can paint to convince me that there is anything close to this case because there is nothing like it.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2011, 10:48:08 PM »
Things are the way they are Peter Parker. 

I didn't make them that way, David Bamner. 

I just know what is.  Doesn't make it morally right, but it is what it is. 

Your law partner murders somebody and your firm can survive.  Your partner buggers kids and you're done too.  People will always assume you were complicit.

Your logic fails.

People will be more likely to assume you're complicit when you sit on your ass for 9 years without uttering a word to anyone else about it.

People will be less likely to assume you're complicit when you report it and speak out against it as soon as it happens.

I don't care if it's murder, child rape, or picking your nose.  Anyone who has both sides of their brain intact and can function with at least 20% of the mental capacity of an average human adult will view someone who reports the act immediately more favorably than someone who sweeps it under the rug.  Hiding this type of shit is more suggestive of one's involvement than immediately reporting it.

Do you really think someone is going to think Joe Pa is in on this if he reports it soon after it occurs?  "Gee, Joe Pa got the police involved in a child rape investigation.  Surely this means that Joe Pa's also in on it."  Yeah, great assumption...he alerted the police to something with which he was involved.

I'm sure David Koresh also contacted the police regarding his pedophile cult and stockpiling of weapons, and as a result he was mistakenly tied up in the whole thing.  People who are involved with illegal shit alert the police every day, so it's completely reasonable for someone to assume that reporting activity to the police implicates yourself.  I'll be sure to be a giant pussy and turn my head to all criminal activity, refusing to call the police for fear that they'll implicate me.  All this despite the fact that, if I'm not involved, then there's no fucking evidence to implicate me.

Kudos to you, Aristotle; your logic is impeccably flawless.
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« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2011, 10:50:46 PM »
What gets me is that the JoePa I have always watched and admired seems absolutely like the kind of guy who would do anything for a kid or to protect a kid.  He seems more genuinely kind than any coach I have ever seen.  SO MANY of his players talk about how much he means to them as a person and a role model.  He came across as so good inside.

But he didn't do it. 

He didn't protect that little boy and by extension, the ones who followed him.

And his assistant coaches, the ones who worship JoePa and say they want to emulate him - they didn't do the right thing either. 

And that just blows my mind. 
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2011, 11:01:28 PM »

Paterno did the minimum he was supposed to do.  Didn't want anything else to do with it.  Walked away
Sorry but there is no minimum when it comes to the anal raping of a fucking ten year old!!!!!

K, I seriously hope that you are just trying to play devils advocate and/or fuck with people (myself) included. I hope that you are just trying to fish with a long pole. Because if you arent and you believe the shit you have said in the last three pages. Then as your friend in RL you arent who i though you were and I have lost respect for you.

I do consider you a good friend, but to defend anyone involved with that program is turning a blind eye.  The reason Paterno is being crucified is because he is PSU. He didn't do enough ...there is no enough when it comes to something like this. Like I said before this is bigger than football, this is bigger than wins or losses. He needed to go. He was involved and it needed to be done.
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2011, 05:46:08 AM »
All I'm saying is there is a lot of assuming going on. 

The incident the janitor?  He didn't tell ANYBODY.  How can you hang that on Paterno? 

No question it's wrong.  I'm just jaded enough and have seen enough to know that the self-preservation response is more common than most of you appear to think.  I guess what's amazing to me is that many of you seem to think this is the first time it's ever happened.

Take the emotion out of it. 

The first incident happens.  Whoever is in charge -- whether it's Paterno or whoever -- makes the decision to preserve the dignity of the school and bury the shit quietly. 

The second time comes up.  Well fuck.  Can't go public with it now, you've already buried it once and how's it going to go now?   It's self preservation.  Yeah, it's wrong but again?  Not the first time. Won't be the last. 

I did read the report.  I saw a bunch of incidents that were interconnected, but each was isolated in their own way.  When you view it in its totality there are assumptions made that everybody involved had that same perspective, they could see all of that and did nothing. 

McQueary told nobody but his dad and Paterno (and we don't know that he told Paterno "anal rape").  The janitor didn't tell anybody.  The wrestling coach didn't tell anybody. Turcheletta didn't tell anybody.  The president didn't. The parents of victims in 1998 didn't.  Each only had a slice of the pie. 

This is such a horrific thing that I think it's human nature to want to assume that what you know is an isolated incident.  Sandusky was apparently pretty good at manipulation and at getting people to believe what he wanted them to believe. 

We read the report and know everything he did.  Looking at it impassionately, I don't think anybody else involved had that perspective. Based on the facts that are in evidence only McQueary and the silent janitors had actual knowledge of the acts.  What they told and who they told it to is less clear.

It's my nature to try to see the opposite side.  If this were anybody else I'd be less inclined to do so, but from everything I've ever read, seen or heard about Paterno, from what's said about him by anybody who's ever worked with him, who's ever had any interaction with him I can't reconcile that with the monster he's being portrayed as. 

I'm having a hard time understanding why he's a greater villain than Sandusky himself. Or than any of the about a hundred people who knew something or had suspicions but didn't act either. 

I get that kids are sacred.  Mine certainly are.  I get that people have a moral obligation to protect kids above all else.  It's what I hope I would do in the circumstances.  I also know that far too often it's NOT what happens.  Doesn't make it right, just makes it what is.  So I'm trying to figure out why and reconcile that with what we know about the people involved.

This is a horrible situation.  Sandusky is going to roast in hell as he should.  The repeated offenses are, IMO, worthy of the death penalty (and in the most heinous manner possible).  Everybody else failed in some way.  All failed the morality portion of the exam.  Most, apparently, tried to cover the legal portion and with a few exceptions seem to have done so.  Again, not right, just what is.  So why?  What led them to make that decision?

Maybe it's wrong on my part to be able to take the emotion out of the issue and try to figure out the mindset of those who were involved and try to determine (and explain) why they might have acted as they did.  Again, doesn't make what they did (or didn't do) morally right, just trying to get some perspective on it and understand. 

Nobody defends a serial child rapist. Nobody. Not even the worst criminal.  So why did these dozens of (by all accounts and by every action they've ever taken prior) good, decent, upstanding men and women of high integrity end up doing just that?  That's the explanation I've been trying to find.  It doesn't make sense to me. 

Here's the thing. If we don't understand how and why somebody like Paterno -- somebody who was until last week one of the most respected men in the history of all sports -- allows something like this to snowball, if we're unwilling to shed the emotion for a minute and figure out how we got here then we aren't going to learn anything. 

If it could happen to him are you really saying it could never happen to you?  I think that's a question nobody wants to even entertain. 

It didn't just happen to Paterno.  Dozens of people failed to act.  I'm trying to understand why.  What motivated them to keep what they knew or suspected to themselves.  With the janitors, it was nothing but job security.  Why did everybody else?  Was it out of friendship/loyalty to Sandusky?  Was it merely self-preservation. Was it the realization that they'd fucked up royally in 1998 and saw no way to resolve it without ruining everything and everybody?  Was it that simple?  Did one small decision based on limited knowledge keep impacting bigger and bigger decisions down the line? 

How did we get here?  Are we all 100% sure that nothing like this could ever happen to us or anyone we know?  That's the question.  If all we do is gather wood to burn Paterno at the stake, how do we learn enough to keep from making the same mistake? 

Obviously that's something most are unprepared to contemplate or consider.  I'm only turning the rock over to see the other side. I'm trying to get you to step back and look at the slippery slope, look at the choices people were presented and try to understand what drove them to make the decisions they did. 

I guess, to me, a blanket crucifixion of Paterno without a thorough analysis of what his actual knowledge and motivations were does nothing but make us feel better about ourselves.  We get to pound our chest and say what we unequivocally would have done.  And yet time after time we see people -- otherwise good people -- fail to do what we've all said would and should be the natural reaction.  Why? 

Throwing stones at Paterno, as righteous as that might be, doesn't solve anything or prevent the next situation.  Maybe it even drives a witness in the next situation even deeper.

Apparently a dispassionate discussion of the rationale and motivation and an attempt to understand why something happened here (and happens regularly elsewhere, but without the enormous media splash) makes me the same devil as Paterno.   
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2011, 09:38:05 AM »
I'm somewhere in the middle.

I get what K's saying. I feel kind of the same way.

Godfather's comments about how if K believes what he says, he's no longer the friend he considered him to be, is a bit melodramatic. He's not in any way, shape, or form defending what went down. I don't think he's even saying that Paterno did the right thing, or "enough" of the right thing. Only that the hatred and vitriol is a bit misplaced when he's getting more pitchforks than Sandusky is. Or for that matter, any of the other hundred or so of other people who were complicit in the situation.

It's not right. Paterno deserves some criticism, in my opinion, no doubt. But to me, I don't get quite the degree of outrage we're seeing. I get that the crime itself is unspeakable, so the stakes are higher. I get that someone, anyone, who knew about what was going on had the moral obligation to have it stopped immediately. I also get that we hold Paterno to a higher standard because of the moral character he has been synonymous with for 60 years. But to me, that's precedent to say, "Surely this guy didn't do anything with intentional malice."

No one on Earth is defending Sandusky.

I'm not even defending Paterno. Just saying I don't get why he's public enemy #1 when to me, he's no more guilty than an untold number of people who "could have done more."
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Re: The End of an Era: Paterno is Finished
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2011, 09:41:02 AM »
You are trying to rationalize something that is not rational.  Paterno is not the only one vilified in this endeavor and frankly I don't see where he has been vilified.  Was the president of the university also not fired? Are multiple people not having issues with perjury to the grand jury?  The reason you are hearing so much about Paterno is because he is the figurehead at PSU.  By his own admittance he wishes he had done more, he needed to be fired K.  The whole program is going to be wiped out at the end of the year.

With one breath you chastise that we don't know the man that he was this great pillar of society. I say that neither do you. While I don't doubt that he was a good man who could have had one lapse in judgement. It was a huge lapse in judgement and he needed to be fired for it. 

Your argument doesn't hold up in any situation, even if Paterno had been told the bare minimum 2 WORDS child and abuse should have caused him to react outside of the normal chain of command.  Since when is it up to Paterno or the University to investigate into criminal manners?  Since when is it okay to take manners into your own hands?  There is no way in hell that Paterno would have been labeled anything outside of hero had he gone to the police in this situation.

I still don't buy that if McQuery saw what he testified to, that he told Paterno only the bare minimum. No one talks like that but, whatever, you can believe what you want.  I just have a hard time believing that anyone as skeptical as you are can't smell this shit sandwich from a mile away.

Frankly, I don't really care that anything else happens to him.  I don't feel he needs to be charged with criminal wrongdoing. IMO his firing was enough. 
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