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SEC Heisman Watch

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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 04:21:42 PM »
To be fair Gino Torretta tarnished the award long before Ingram came along.  For the same reason too.  Best offensive skill position player on the best team that was on TV a lot in a year when nobody else stood out.

The runner up?  Marshall Faulk, but he was at San Diego State so he wasn't going to win.

Other dubious winners for the same reason shown above, Eric Crouch (Rex Grossman runner up), Troy Smith (Darren McFadden)

Andre Ware as well.

Salaam maybe?
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 05:58:51 PM »
Andre Ware as well.

Salaam maybe?

I was focusing on guys who won solely because they were on the #1 team, but there are a lot of other guys who could be included if you are just talking about bad choices.

But, I could see why Andre Ware won.  He was the first guy to put up video game numbers at QB because of the system he played in.  That was a new thing then so people didn't know what to do with it and voted for him.  You can see how people didn't understand the concept of "system QB" yet when Detroit drafted him in the first round.

Salaam just looks bad because he busted out in the NFL.  He actually put up huge numbers at Colorado with over 2000 yds which is still a fairly big deal in a major conference.  If I remember right that was a three man race between him, Kijana Carter (my personal favorite, I really followed Penn State back then during the Carter/Curtis Enis days  :facepalm:) and Kerry Collins.  Carter and Salaam put up similar numbers and Collins wasn't even the best player on his own team.
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2011, 06:51:31 PM »
Mark Ingram is without peer the least deserving Heisman Trophy winner in the history of the award. 

He wasn't the best player in the country.
He wasn't the best player in the SEC
He wasn't the best player in the SEC West
He wasn't the best running back in the state.
He wasn't the best player on his own team. 

It was a sympathy award, pure and simple.  It was a consolation fuck and it even featured the requisite flood of tears that accompany such.

Ben Tate was a better back than Ingram then.  He's a better back than Ingram in the NFL. 

Tate: 508 yards on 97 carries this season (5.24 per in essentially his rookie year since he was out  with an injury all last season).  Three 100 yard games.  And he's basically a backup to Arian Foster.

The Fat Fucking Crying Bitch Ewok: 329 yards on 85 carries (3.87 per).  Nearly a third of that came against the worst team in the history of the NFL, Indy. No 100 yard games.  And he basically eats doughnuts on the sidelines while bitching that his helmet squeezes his face.   The pudgy bastard is a disgrace to the Heisman.  He should be the second Saint asked to return the trophy. 
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2011, 10:19:16 PM »
Mark Ingram is without peer the least deserving Heisman Trophy winner in the history of the award. 

He wasn't the best player in the country.
He wasn't the best player in the SEC
He wasn't the best player in the SEC West
He wasn't the best running back in the state.
He wasn't the best player on his own team. 

It was a sympathy award, pure and simple.  It was a consolation fuck and it even featured the requisite flood of tears that accompany such.

Ben Tate was a better back than Ingram then.  He's a better back than Ingram in the NFL. 

Tate: 508 yards on 97 carries this season (5.24 per in essentially his rookie year since he was out  with an injury all last season).  Three 100 yard games.  And he's basically a backup to Arian Foster.

The Fat Fucking Crying Bitch Ewok: 329 yards on 85 carries (3.87 per).  Nearly a third of that came against the worst team in the history of the NFL, Indy. No 100 yard games.  And he basically eats doughnuts on the sidelines while bitching that his helmet squeezes his face.   The pudgy bastard is a disgrace to the Heisman.  He should be the second Saint asked to return the trophy.

He's an illegal immigrant too, and a perp.
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2011, 11:19:45 PM »
He's an illegal immigrant too, and a perp.

You just came didn't you?
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2011, 11:59:41 PM »
Mark Ingram is without peer the least deserving Heisman Trophy winner in the history of the award. 

He wasn't the best player in the country.
He wasn't the best player in the SEC
He wasn't the best player in the SEC West
He wasn't the best running back in the state.
He wasn't the best player on his own team. 

It was a sympathy award, pure and simple.  It was a consolation fuck and it even featured the requisite flood of tears that accompany such.

Ben Tate was a better back than Ingram then.  He's a better back than Ingram in the NFL. 

Tate: 508 yards on 97 carries this season (5.24 per in essentially his rookie year since he was out  with an injury all last season).  Three 100 yard games.  And he's basically a backup to Arian Foster.

The Fat Fucking Crying Bitch Ewok: 329 yards on 85 carries (3.87 per).  Nearly a third of that came against the worst team in the history of the NFL, Indy. No 100 yard games.  And he basically eats doughnuts on the sidelines while bitching that his helmet squeezes his face.   The pudgy bastard is a disgrace to the Heisman.  He should be the second Saint asked to return the trophy.
Yup...
He wasn't the best RB on his own team either.
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Re: SEC Heisman Watch
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2011, 12:47:23 PM »
I was focusing on guys who won solely because they were on the #1 team, but there are a lot of other guys who could be included if you are just talking about bad choices.

But, I could see why Andre Ware won.  He was the first guy to put up video game numbers at QB because of the system he played in.  That was a new thing then so people didn't know what to do with it and voted for him.  You can see how people didn't understand the concept of "system QB" yet when Detroit drafted him in the first round.

Salaam just looks bad because he busted out in the NFL.  He actually put up huge numbers at Colorado with over 2000 yds which is still a fairly big deal in a major conference.  If I remember right that was a three man race between him, Kijana Carter (my personal favorite, I really followed Penn State back then during the Carter/Curtis Enis days  :facepalm:) and Kerry Collins.  Carter and Salaam put up similar numbers and Collins wasn't even the best player on his own team.

Whats ironic about Ware is that he won the award with LESS accolades than Klingler. And Klingler was probably left out because voters had seen how Ware turned out in the NFL in the 2 years since he won it thus exposing them both as system QBs, and Rocket and Detmer seeming more viable options.
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