On Turner Gill

[Kaos]

It appears that he may be returning to Oz soon.  He's definitely not going to be in Kansas anymore, Toto.

At some point in the near future the chorus from the I knew we shouldn't have hired Turner Gill crowd will begin singing their revisionist songs. 

I would like to take this early opportunity to say "Kansas isn't Auburn. You can't judge him based on what he did in that shithole." 

Discussion of bovines and headwear may follow. 

[Saniflush]

I was a Gill supporter.  He didn't just forget how to coach.  Being in a shitty situation accounts for some. A similar thing happened to someone at ISU.  All that being said we hired the right guy at the right time.

[Kaos]

I was a Gill supporter.  He didn't just forget how to coach.  Being in a shitty situation accounts for some. A similar thing happened to someone at ISU.  All that being said we hired the right guy at the right time.

Why derail a fun thread with your seriousness?

[JR4AU]

Reasoning here wasn't so prevalent when Chiz was hired, but should have applied. 

[Saniflush]

Why derail a fun thread with your seriousness?

I wanted some cattle.

[JR4AU]

I wanted some cattle.

Nice hat.

[Kaos]

I wanted some cattle.

All you get is a hat. 

[The Six]

What do they expect at Kansas? They do not invest in football there they way they do in basketball. I would imagine that's a hard place to recruit to. Did he change offenses? What's the reason for his failures there so far?

[AU_Tiger_2000]

Count me in with the Gill supporters way back in last decade.

[Buzz Killington]

I was never on the Gill bandwagon.  I really wasn't that impressed with him at Buffalo to be honest.
My man for the job was Brian Kelley, and he has done nothing to change my mind about him since going to Notre Dame what the fuck was I thinking?

[GH2001]

I was a Gill supporter.  He didn't just forget how to coach.  Being in a shitty situation accounts for some. A similar thing happened to someone at ISU.  All that being said we hired the right guy at the right time.

True, but Mark Mangino had KU winning 9-10 games a year just 2 years before.

Same cant be said for Iowa State. When is the last time they put together back to back 9 win seasons?

[CCTAU]

Gill would have had us going to several good bowls by now.

[Saniflush]

True, but Mark Mangino had KU winning 9-10 games a year just 2 years before.

Mangino was eating his opponents.

[GH2001]

I was never on the Gill bandwagon.  I really wasn't that impressed with him at Buffalo to be honest.
My man for the job was Brian Kelley, and he has done nothing to change my mind about him since going to Notre Dame what the fuck was I thinking?

I think Kelly actually has done a great job. He is changing the culture at ND. If you go back and watch some Weis games at ND, you can see a difference. They were soft and uninspired. Kelly is getting them there, slowly but surely. Plus, their schedule wasn't too friendly this year either. I like how when they play subpar, he chews their asses.

Gill might actually be too much of a nice guy.

[The Six]

He is changing the culture at ND. If you go back and watch some Weis games at ND, you can see a difference.

Yes. He is blaming the players for losses, acting like a Sabanhole on the sidelines, and putting support staff in peril. He's changing that culture alright.

[GH2001]

Yes. He is blaming the players for losses, acting like a Sabanhole on the sidelines, and putting support staff in peril. He's changing that culture alright.

He has done some of that, but it's not nearly as bad as the 24/7 news cycle makes it out to be. I had heard for 24 hours about how he talked about how good his recruits were and that he threw Weis' recruits under the bus. I was a little appalled. Then I actually saw his quote - holy shit. Overblown a bit? Yes. So I am going to reach here and guess that you work in sports media of some sort since you are buying that.

Just to clarify, what is Saban's record at Bama? Is he an ass? Yes, I hate the guy personally.  But some programs need that. There is no doubt they can both coach. How did a nice guy like Shula turn out? Bama and ND both needed a kick in the ass. Nice guy softies don't do well in today's football world at any level.

[The Six]

Nice guy softies don't do well in today's football world at any level.

Not saying he's a softie but Chizik is a nice person by all accounts on campus. 

[AU_Tiger_2000]

He has done some of that, but it's not nearly as bad as the 24/7 news cycle makes it out to be. I had heard for 24 hours about how he talked about how good his recruits were and that he threw Weis' recruits under the bus. I was a little appalled. Then I actually saw his quote - holy shitake. Overblown a bit? Yes. So I am going to reach here and guess that you work in sports media of some sort since you are buying that.

Just to clarify, what is Saban's record at Bama? Is he an ass? Yes, I hate the guy personally.  But some programs need that. There is no doubt they can both coach. How did a nice guy like Shula turn out? Bama and ND both needed a kick in the ass. Nice guy softies don't do well in today's football world at any level.

Tony Dungy would tell you to kiss his ass, but he's too polite.

[War Eagle!!!]

Not saying he's a softie but Chizik is a nice person by all accounts on campus.

There is a big difference...

[GH2001]

Tony Dungy would tell you to kiss his ass, but he's too polite.

Exception not the rule...and is he coaching now?

Chizik is no softie.