Stat Tiger licks Trotter's ...uh... wounds...

Jumbo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:41:22 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on October 03, 2011, 10:48:58 AM

I think Gus ran Dyer 40 times because he knew that was the ONLY way we were going to win. I think that he completely abandoned the game plan because Trotter couldn't do shit right. I give credit to Malzahn because he made the adjustment to simply run the same two plays over and over. He felt like that was the best way to MAYBE move the ball but more importantly, not kill us.

When Auburn got inside the 20 yard line with about 8 minutes left to go and we were down 13-9, we had run Dyer up the middle twice I believe for a couple of yards and it was 3rd and goal from about the 5. I said, I don't care if we lose, just run the ball 2 more times PLEASE.

We didn't. Trotter dropped back to pass and pick in the end zone.

I had no confidence in the guy then and I have less confidence in him now. He got credit for throwing the game winning TD, but damn...a blind monkey could have made that pass and he STILL almost fucked it up. He made Lutz completely stop for the ball and let the DB catch up to him. Luckily, the play was called a TD on the field, becasue I don't know if that call would have been reversed which ever way it was called...

+2 million.

AWK · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:54:15 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 03, 2011, 11:40:50 AM

Kaos · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:56:32 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 03, 2011, 11:40:50 AM

Backyard football on Thanksgiving. One of the many sports my fat ass participates in.

My daughter is an occasional tailback, but her fumbles are dramatic.

GH2001 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:58:58 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 03, 2011, 11:56:32 AM

Backyard football on Thanksgiving. One of the many sports my fat ass participates in.

My daughter is an occasional tailback, but her fumbles are dramatic.

I knew that you were more versed in nerf sports than me. I bet your team is the reigning back yard champ...trophy and all, right?

Godfather · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:00:02 PM »

Maybe she spent to much time in his lap? I'd keep an eye on that.

Kaos · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:10:31 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on October 03, 2011, 11:58:58 AM

I knew that you were more versed in nerf sports than me. I bet your team is the reigning back yard champ...trophy and all, right?

We use a real football. Or at least a rubber one with Auburn on it.

There is no trophy. Winning is the only reward.

I have also staged frisbee golf competitions, driving contests, putting contests, chipping contests, lawn dart tournaments, bocce ball tournaments, darts championships, wiffle ball home run derbys, free throw contests, paint ball gun accuracy contests, shoot the hell out of targets competition, water volleyball matches and assorted other sporting endeavors at family gatherings.

You are outsported.

GH2001 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:14:49 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 03, 2011, 12:10:31 PM

We use a real football. Or at least a rubber one with Auburn on it.

There is no trophy. Winning is the only reward.

I have also staged frisbee golf competitions, driving contests, putting contests, chipping contests, lawn dart tournaments, bocce ball tournaments, darts championships, wiffle ball home run derbys, free throw contests, paint ball gun accuracy contests, shoot the hell out of targets competition, water volleyball matches and assorted other sporting endeavors at family gatherings.

You are outsported.

I stand in awe. But you aint shit unless you are a Cornhole champion. Or Horseshoes. Doesn't have to be both, just one of them is enough. Oh, and also tether ball.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:18:18 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on October 03, 2011, 12:14:49 PM

But you aint shit unless you are a Cornhole champion.

In that case, AWK is King Shit of Turd Mountain.

Saniflush · « **Reply #28 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:24:38 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 03, 2011, 11:32:25 AM

Doesn't care where it goes, just get it away.

The ball or the uncle?

GH2001 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2011, 12:26:22 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 03, 2011, 12:18:18 PM

In that case, AWK is King Shit of Turd Mountain.

I knew he was well versed in said activity, but had no idea he was good. Again, I stand in awe.

jmar · « **Reply #30 on:** October 05, 2011, 02:31:47 AM »

Everyone forgets that Chris Todd (with an injured throwing arm) had 7 starts on '08. We went 4-3 and the stat lines were not good.

Fayetteville was the beginning of a 3 game skid for Auburn in October, 2009. We also lost to Kentucky at home and to LSU in Baton Rouge. We managed to beat only Ole Miss, losing in November to Georgia and Alabama.
That's 1-5 fellas. And in those games Todd threw 5 TD passes and 5 picks.

And while it's true that Todd set many AU passing records in '09, it's also important to remember that he threw 9 of his 22 TDs against the likes of Ball State and Furman. That's not intended to diminish what Todd accomplished rather than to point out the failure of statistics to provide an accurate account of what really took place.

I feel like I'm defending Norman Dale. We don't have to give the guy a chance but I'm telling you that this kid will lead Auburn to a better record in October and November against stiffer competition than we faced in '09. I admit that he has struggled some but he never really had a game he could breeze through to gain some confidence because the defense was so poor. Trotter has been behind the eight ball since he hit the field, so naturally he's pressing. Here's a kid competing in the Spring for the QB position, he hurts his knee and when he returns he has to go against Cam Newton.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be so quick to turn the page on a QB that might just have a knack for coming through in the clutch in more big games as he did this past Saturday.

So there!

Xanusus · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2011, 04:13:38 AM »

And this thread is why I like this board the best out of all the Auburn boards. No one drinks kool-aid over here. (ok there's one or two of you who do but I can handle that). Very few get apologetic and defensive when someone points out obvious flaws in the team or coaches. I myself was thinking the same thing when I read stat tiger's defense of Trotter over at Auburnfamily. He's a great guy and normally very solid in what he has to say, but not this time. It's a classic case of spinning stats to make a point that just doesn't stand up to the eyeball test.

Every time Trotter scrambles I close my eyes because I know it's not going to end well. He abandons the pocket too early. He holds onto the ball too long. He makes ill advised throws. His throws are off the mark too often. I honestly don't believe our receivers are THAT bad with Trooper coaching them. Someone is open. Trotter is just not finding them or either too scared to pull the trigger.

And it's not like he's getting terrible protection either. I realize the line is young and there have been times where they did a poor job at protection but Saturday was not one of them. They played well enough that an average QB would have had a decent day. Trotter's sacks, scrambles, and picks weren't a result of poor line play. Poor line play was our last offensive series against Miss St. a few weeks back. That wasn't Trotters fault but Saturday? Sorry that was on Trotter.

IF this happens again this week at Arkansas coaches need to hand the job over to Clint and continue to develop Frazier by giving him more reps and for goodness sakes let him throw the ball a few times or run an entire set of downs for once.

GH2001 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:03:01 AM »

Quote from: Xanusus on October 05, 2011, 04:13:38 AM

Stat tiger's defense of Trotter over at Auburnfamily. He's a great guy and normally very solid in what he has to say, but not this time. It's a classic case of spinning stats to make a point that just doesn't stand up to the eyeball test.

Pretty much sums up that board to a T.

Agree.

JR4AU · « **Reply #33 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:05:27 AM »

Quote from: jmar on October 05, 2011, 02:31:47 AM

Everyone forgets that Chris Todd (with an injured throwing arm) had 7 starts on '08. We went 4-3 and the stat lines were not good.

Fayetteville was the beginning of a 3 game skid for Auburn in October, 2009. We also lost to Kentucky at home and to LSU in Baton Rouge. We managed to beat only Ole Miss, losing in November to Georgia and Alabama.
That's 1-5 fellas. And in those games Todd threw 5 TD passes and 5 picks.

And while it's true that Todd set many AU passing records in '09, it's also important to remember that he threw 9 of his 22 TDs against the likes of Ball State and Furman. That's not intended to diminish what Todd accomplished rather than to point out the failure of statistics to provide an accurate account of what really took place.

I feel like I'm defending Norman Dale. We don't have to give the guy a chance but I'm telling you that this kid will lead Auburn to a better record in October and November against stiffer competition than we faced in '09. I admit that he has struggled some but he never really had a game he could breeze through to gain some confidence because the defense was so poor. Trotter has been behind the eight ball since he hit the field, so naturally he's pressing. Here's a kid competing in the Spring for the QB position, he hurts his knee and when he returns he has to go against Cam Newton.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be so quick to turn the page on a QB that might just have a knack for coming through in the clutch in more big games as he did this past Saturday.

So there!

In the final two regular season games vs our biggest rivals, one of which went on to win the NC in 2009, Todd was good enough to get us double digit leads in both games before the defense collapsed, and he had to continue throwing the ball late. He combined for @ 65% passing 4 TDs and 3 Ints. 2 of those INTs came while having to play offense as if we didn't have a lead because the defense was so bad. Like Trotter, Todd was not a "carry the team" type QB. The difference is, Todd would make a decision. Trotter won't. The better the defenses we face, the smaller the window to throw to, and with a shorter time to do it in. LSU will eat him alive if he holds the ball like he did vs USCe. I don't even want to contemplate bammer's Def.

GH2001 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:07:00 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on October 05, 2011, 09:05:27 AM

In the final two regular season games vs our biggest rivals, one of which went on to win the NC in 2009, Todd was good enough to get us double digit leads in both games before the defense collapsed, and he had to play continue throwing the ball. He combined for @ 65% passing 4 TDs and 3 Ints. 2 of those INTs came while having to play offense as if we didn't have a lead because the defense was so bad. Like Trotter, Todd was not a "carry the team" type QB. The difference is, Todd would make a decision. Trotter won't. The better the defenses we face, the smaller the window to throw to, and with a shorter time to do it in. LSU will eat him alive if he holds the ball like he did vs USCe. I don't even want to contemplate bammer's Def.

Let's be honest - the Offense stalled out against Bama in the 2nd half.

JR4AU · « **Reply #35 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:08:40 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on October 05, 2011, 09:07:00 AM

Let's be honest - the Offense stalled out against Bama in the 2nd half.

I agree. But like stated...double digit leads. The defense has to come to play too. And the whole point of what I'm saying about Trotter, you can only ask so much of some QBs, and at this point in the season, it would appear we can't even get Todd like service out of Trotter.