Law makes babies cry

[GH2001]

Are these things you have personal knowledge of, or simply choose to believe?

Did I read you correctly, your "legal friend" wants his "illegal family members" shipped home?

Objective study after objective study proves it, whether its Forbes, the Budget Office, etc. It's pretty consistent that it's a drain on the economy at the point it's gotten now.

[JR4AU]

Objective study after objective study proves it, whether its Forbes, the Budget Office, etc. It's pretty consistent that it's a drain on the economy at the point it's gotten now.

My knowledge of it is seeing them all work, or want to work.  I don't have any that I really know.  If illegals are getting gov't money, then I have a problem with that. 

[GH2001]

My knowledge of it is seeing them all work, or want to work.  I don't have any that I really know.  If illegals are getting gov't money, then I have a problem with that.

Any minority that has or makes below X amount of money gets a govt check. They just add to those numbers in huge amounts. They are part of an already existing welfare state. Rick Perry even wants to subsidize a college education for them in Texas - The Dream Act.

[JR4AU]

Any minority that has or makes below X amount of money gets a govt check. They just add to those numbers in huge amounts. They are part of an already existing welfare state. Rick Perry even wants to subsidize a college education for them in Texas - The Dream Act.

How does one that is not a citizen, get a government check?  If it's really that simple to scam the gov't, then surely I can get one too?

[JR4AU]

My "googles" of these issues discussed here indicates there are studies that will show whatever the particular side wants to show.  The only thing they all agree on is that it's nearly impossible to do a truly accurate study on the fiscal impact of illegals on the economy and gov't resources. 

[CCTAU]

My "googles" of these issues discussed here indicates there are studies that will show whatever the particular side wants to show.  The only thing they all agree on is that it's nearly impossible to do a truly accurate study on the fiscal impact of illegals on the economy and gov't resources.

There is one study that will get accurate results.

SEND THEIR ASSES BACK. And then do a recalculation.

[GH2001]

There is one study that will get accurate results.

SEND THEIR ASSES BACK. And then do a recalculation.

CCT went there.

[CCTAU]

CCT went there.

Hell, if it don't work, we can always invite them back.......

[GarMan]

Hell, if it don't work, we can always invite them back.......

When we identify the ones who are working illegally, we should enforce the appropriate laws.  There's no problem with them working here.  They just need to get the correct work permit and follow our laws.  There's no excuse for working illegally.  We have at least half a dozen work programs, many of which can be applied for after work is obtained, and it doesn't cost the employer anything to support the process.  And, once you get a work permit, you can bring your family over, obtain housing, attend school, etc...  Half the crap floating around excusing the illegal problem and complaining about these laws is complete nonsense. 

[CCTAU]

That may be true, but they do not go back when the wok permit expores. That is why we have so many here today. Do you think the majority of illegals jumped the fence? Hell no. They came here legally and then stayed past their date. No modern country in the world has a work visa that is unlimited. At some point in time, you have to pay. We are just the worst country in the world at enforcing it!

[AWK]

There is one study that will get accurate results.

SEND THEIR ASSES BACK. And then do a recalculation.

This isn't about Hispanics.

[Kaos]

This isn't about Hispanics.

Who gives a fuck if it is?

You got cockroaches crawling all over your kitchen.  You call the exterminator.  If he happens to find a few ants and earwigs, that's good too.  But you called him because roaches were swarming. 

[AWK]

Who gives a fuck if it is?

You got cockroaches crawling all over your kitchen.  You call the exterminator.  If he happens to find a few ants and earwigs, that's good too.  But you called him because roaches were swarming.

Your metaphor usage is very telling.

[GarMan]

That may be true, but they do not go back when the wok permit expores. That is why we have so many here today. Do you think the majority of illegals jumped the fence? Hell no. They came here legally and then stayed past their date. No modern country in the world has a work visa that is unlimited. At some point in time, you have to pay. We are just the worst country in the world at enforcing it!

Oh, I agree.  A somewhat related story...  I had to obtain a permit to work at a client site in Canada.  Canada is one of those countries that will incarcerate you if you stay beyond the length of your work permit.  Mexico does similar.  Perhaps, we need to consider it. 

[Kaos]

Your metaphor usage is very telling.

Only to the narrow minded.