What would happen if...

Kaos · « **on:** September 20, 2011, 02:01:49 PM »

What would happen if the NCAA came along and said, Okay South Carolina for that motel deal you have to give up eight scholarships and vacate wins and have Spurrier wear a regular hat instead of a visor.

And then South Carolina said... well... we're not doing that. We're going to give scholarships to 110 players, we're going to raise 18 flags around the stadium celebrating those wins and Spurrier will wear whatever he damn well pleases.

What happens then? Will other SEC schools refuse to play them? Will the NCAA send a mean bitch to sit in the stands and glare at Spurrier? Will they put somebody in the press box to snatch up the media guides and game programs to mark out those games with a Sharpie?

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:09:10 PM »

They would fart in their general direction.

Saniflush · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:12:06 PM »

Would they smell of elderberries?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:14:23 PM »

They would tell the NCAA to go away before they taunt them a second time.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:41:56 PM »

I've wondered that myself.

Surely the NCAA is in control of some sort of money aspect.

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:50:27 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 02:41:56 PM

I've wondered that myself.

Surely the NCAA is in control of some sort of money aspect.

I was thinking they could take away their accreditation????

Kaos · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:58:01 PM »

Quote from: dallaswareagle on September 20, 2011, 04:50:27 PM

I was thinking they could take away their accreditation????

Nope. That's SACS (or whatever for different regions). NCAA is not involved in that at all.

dallaswareagle · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:08:37 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on September 20, 2011, 04:58:01 PM

Nope. That's SACS (or whatever for different regions). NCAA is not involved in that at all.

True:

I bet they could not get officials to do any home games. As prickless as the NCAA is, they would have someway to fuck with them.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:34:49 PM »

Quote from: dallaswareagle on September 20, 2011, 05:08:37 PM

True:

I bet they could not get officials to do any home games. As prickless as the NCAA is, they would have someway to fuck with them.

Fuck their refs.

Get a new set of emergency refs.

Or better yet, tell the current SEC officials that they'll still get paid from the petty cash envelope. No sweat.

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on September 20, 2011, 02:14:23 PM

They would tell the NCAA to go away before they taunt them a second time.

NCAA: "We sent your athletic director a NOA."

USC: "Oh yeah, we've seen it. Itsa vury niceah."

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:03:14 PM »

Sure, the NCAA can't tell the school what or what not to do, because it doesn't own the school.

But, ultimately, the school is a member of the NCAA. As with any "club" of which you're a member, you either follow the rules or get kicked out.

Couldn't the NCAA suspend and/or ban South Carolina from NCAA sporting events? Yeah, you can play football all you want with whatever schools decide that they want to play with you, but you won't be part of the NCAA's sponsored events, including the BCS.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:22:57 PM »

Quote from: Vandy Vol on September 20, 2011, 06:03:14 PM

Sure, the NCAA can't tell the school what or what not to do, because it doesn't own the school.

But, ultimately, the school is a member of the NCAA. As with any "club" of which you're a member, you either follow the rules or get kicked out.

Couldn't the NCAA suspend and/or ban South Carolina from NCAA sporting events? Yeah, you can play football all you want with whatever schools decide that they want to play with you, but you won't be part of the NCAA's sponsored events, including the BCS.

Don't be silly.

Well, only be silly enough to be part of this conversation.

But the NCAA controls zero money. They can't kick out vital members and expect the BCS and TV and advertisements to agree.

If the schools really wanted to forget the student-athlete rules, they can. Fortunately for amateurism, the majority of presidents and boards don't want a free for all when it comes to college athletics.

Kaos · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:23:43 PM »

They arent ever going to win the BCS anyway.

So they can't go to a bowl. Boo HOO. Schedule a game in December in Canada or Mexico and invite some team that didn't get the bowl it thought it deserved or that was on probation.

Hey Miami? Let's play in Mexico City in friont of 200.000 fans. Split the gate. Cool?

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:35:00 PM »

Quote from: Pell City Tiger on September 20, 2011, 05:55:29 PM

NCAA: "We sent your athletic director a NOA."

USC: "Oh yeah, we've seen it. Itsa vury niceah."

I told him we've already got one.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:43:11 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

But the NCAA controls zero money.

Eh? According to their website, 60% of the NCAA's revenue goes to Division I schools; 36% of their revenue benefits schools through services.

This total of 96 percent includes:

• Division I distributions (60 percent)

• Championships (13 percent)

• Programs and national office services (19 percent)

• Other services (such as the Eligibility Center) (4 percent)

Now, this is all from their website, so it could be a bunch of bloated shit...but even if it's not as high of a percentage as they claim, they do offer a lot of services and benefits. Media arrangements, enforcement of standards and rules, the BCS, etc.

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

They can't kick out vital members . . .

They could, in theory, but it may not be financially advisable for them to do so.

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

. . . and expect the BCS. . .

The BCS is not an entity. It's an event that is administered by the 11 NCAA FBS conferences. Thus, when the NCAA gives you the boot, you're also out of the BCS, seeing as it's an event that is overseen by the NCAA conferences.

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

. . . and TV and advertisements to agree.

Realistically, this is what would prevent the NCAA from banning anyone. But, ultimately, would that be enough of a deterrent? If the NCAA decides to suspend or ban one school for its extreme insubordination, will advertisers care that much? One school, meanwhile 119 others remain? Many of which brought in more money than USCe?

The BCS is what brings in money for a lot of these advertisers, and the BCS is a product of the NCAA. As an advertiser/television station, do you buck the entire system (NCAA and BCS) that brought you shitloads of money? Do you get upset because one relatively insignificant team is no longer a part of that huge money-making system, which still has plenty of other teams left to make you money?

I think the NCAA could bully their way into doing it...if they wanted to. It's not realistic that it would happen, but if we're just contemplating the remote possibilities, then I think that the NCAA could swing its balls around some. Like I said, these schools are members of the NCAA; their membership (and the benefits that come with it) is contingent upon their actions.

djsimp · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:30:23 PM »

Here is the deal. If one school wanted to flip the middle finger at the NCAA they could and ther is no official state or federal law that would keep them from doing so. Sure, the NCAA is a "governmental" type but.....no, not really. The problem would when figuring what institutions are in the union recession with you. The NCAA is so hypocritical though that I would have to suggest that there would be many schools willing to make as statement.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:13:58 PM »

Quote from: djsimp on September 20, 2011, 09:30:23 PM

Here is the deal. If one school wanted to flip the middle finger at the NCAA they could and ther is no official state or federal law that would keep them from doing so. Sure, the NCAA is a "governmental" type but.....no, not really. The problem would when figuring what institutions are in the union recession with you. The NCAA is so hypocritical though that I would have to suggest that there would be many schools willing to make as statement.

Sure, if you get enough schools to back you up, then you're golden.

But if we're talking about one school who wants to buck the rules and tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves, then why would other schools decide to follow suit?

I mean, unless the NCAA just completely botches an investigation and declares a school to be in violation of rules when they clearly weren't, or unless the NCAA doles out punishment that is far too severe for the alleged violation, then I don't see universities deeming it worth their while to stand up against the NCAA.

USCe says, "Fuck you, NCAA." Why the fuck would Oklahoma care? Or Oregon? Or Auburn? They'll stay on the gravy train, so long as the NCAA isn't absurd with their policies; USCe (or any other individual school) can go fuck themselves as far as they're concerned, so long as it doesn't affect them.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:25:23 PM »

Vandy Vol's warn meter has been raised. Please do not bring facts into this discussion.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:31:20 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on September 20, 2011, 11:25:23 PM

Vandy Vol's warn meter has been raised. Please do not bring facts into this discussion.

What if I go all USCe on your ass? Hmm?

Who's going to take me down a notch? Hmm?!?!?!

I mean, besides Godfather or any of the mods...

hmm? maybe?

djsimp · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2011, 12:14:19 AM »

Quote from: Vandy Vol on September 20, 2011, 10:13:58 PM

Sure, if you get enough schools to back you up, then you're golden.

But if we're talking about one school who wants to buck the rules and tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves, then why would other schools decide to follow suit?

I mean, unless the NCAA just completely botches an investigation and declares a school to be in violation of rules when they clearly weren't, or unless the NCAA doles out punishment that is far too severe for the alleged violation, then I don't see universities deeming it worth their while to stand up against the NCAA.

USCe says, "Fuck you, NCAA." Why the fuck would Oklahoma care? Or Oregon? Or Auburn? They'll stay on the gravy train, so long as the NCAA isn't absurd with their policies; USCe (or any other individual school) can go fuck themselves as far as they're concerned, so long as it doesn't affect them.

Thats my point. Its all about who is in it with you. If a school is a Lone Ranger, that I don't think will turn out so great for said school.