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Quick Question About Jury Duty

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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2011, 02:22:07 PM »
Never turn your back on a gay lawyer, they'll stick it to you while you're not looking.

I am not a lawyer, but I will be staying in a Holiday inn express over labor day. ( in Auburn)
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2011, 02:37:35 PM »
I am not a lawyer, but I will be staying in a Holiday inn express over labor day. ( in Auburn)

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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2011, 03:23:11 PM »
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2011, 03:43:53 PM »
No, just poor.

I be hearing VV gives good rates.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2011, 04:17:29 PM »
I be hearing VV gives good rates.

6 mins at a time. More on the weekends in the redlight district.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2011, 04:28:52 PM »
So VV, you went to law school. Congrats. Nothing wrong with that. But your "I'm a lawyer" ego goes beyond this thread and the topic of jurisprudence. You want to tout your JD as reasoning that you know your stuff concerning topics in this thread. Fine. That's great, you probably know the law to the letter.

Here's the deal:

This is the only time at which I have ever stated that I know something because I'm a lawyer.  And the reason I stated it was because you made a wisecrack about using Wikipedia.

The topic at hand is jury selection.  More specifically, it's about the manner in which juries are selected and what they mean by "peer."

This is basic shit that is covered during your first year of law school and utilized over and over in subsequent courses the following two years.  I'm not claiming to know everything about the law, nor am I stating that my knowledge from law school covers everything conceivable within the legal field, but something this basic?

It's rather insulting to have someone think that an attorney, of all people, would have to result to scouring the internet to answer a simple legal question like that.  You might as well accuse Saniflush of Googling "How to load a gun" and then bitch at him when he reminds you that he was in the military.

But apparently it's also given you enough narcissism to be the foremost expert on every other topic as well. Including topics some of us MIGHT be a little more knowledgable about than you. I have an MBA, I own a business....but I don't throw it out there every time an economics/small business topic comes up. I'm willing to listen and change my stances and perspective as I learn new things. I've certainly stood corrected before against the face of common sense. You learn from real world experience. Not a book, not a college, not a certificate saying you know a lot about something. Those are tools.

I think what GarMan and Kaos try to inflect here is THE real world common sense knowledge that you can ONLY get from having "been there, done that" or owning a business, etc. I don't 100% agree with either of them on all topics. But that really isn't a reason to flex your own perceived superiority in intelligence because you "went to law school". Pride can be your enemy. Try having a perspective on things, that doesn't originate from a legal book point of view. Not everything is black and white. Not everything is finite. Maybe in your world, at your profession it is. But outside of the legal world and mathemetics, things just aren't. There is nothing wrong with using common sense or saying "hey, thats a good point. I didn't really think about it that way" instead of saying "I'm right, you're wrong. I'm a lawyer, but thanks for playing". That's just how you come across to people.

First, never have I said that I'm an attorney, and therefore must be right on every topic.  Sorry, but I have a legal education, so when a basic legal question is posed, I don't need the internet to inform me.

Second, the majority of debates that I have on this forum are political, moral, or philosophical in nature.  There is no "right or wrong" that education or experience is going to validate for those debates.  I'll defend my opinion until I'm blue in the face, and I'll even tell people that their reasoning they used to reach their conclusion is wrong if I can show it's wrong.  But if someone can show me something legitimate, I'll consider their point.  But if your mere response is, "Blah blah blah, I've had more experience with X than you, go fuck yourself," then I'm not going to accept your word for it when I've found something that tells me otherwise.

Example:  The LED fiasco.  I get the shit end of the stick because I point out the fact that these new LEDs don't contain anything different than current LEDs, and there was nothing put forth to refute that.  Meanwhile, GarMan claims that he owned LED backlit laptops before they were produced, and nobody bats a fucking eye.  I guess he also used his experience to develop the flux capacitor and buy laptops from the future.

Third, I'm not having debates with myself on here.  You and others are just as adamantly trying to prove your own points, or otherwise disprove mine.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so don't try to single me out as some sort of narcissistic argumentative nutbag when you and others are just as actively participating and advocating your stance as correct.  You guys give me shit as if I follow you, GarMan, and others around on the board just trying to argue with them when, in reality, this is not the case.

Remember the thread regarding repealing the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy?  I posted my general thoughts on the topic without replying to anyone in particular, and who responds telling me I'm wrong?  GarMan.  And his opinion on this social topic conflicted with every single military member of this board who posted in the same thread, yet you think that I should be reminded that experience can give people knowledge?

So no, it's not just me running around trying to tell everyone they're wrong; many of you are acting in no differently of a manner than I am, yet you have this skewed perception that I'm always telling you that you're wrong.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever SERVED on a jury? Have you experienced BEING a juror? Just curious.

No, I haven't, but let me ask you this:  How does serving on a jury give you any knowledge as to what the definition of "peer" is when they say that you will be judged by a jury of your peers?

In case you haven't been reading the posts, that's what the whole discussion was about.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2011, 04:39:14 PM »
You pore. 

I don't have to.  I just look it up.   Can I cite chapter and verse off the top of my head?  Nope.  But if you give me just a little time to do the research I'm confident I can find everything I need.

I pored.  Past tense.  So that I don't have to look up every basic legal question that comes into my mind.

Additionally, the education acclimates me to legal standards and language.  Unlike a lay person, I won't have to skip from statute to statute in order to get this definition or that definition, or to look up case law to determine jurisdictional standards for courts.

This isn't to say that a lay person won't be able to find this information on their own, but my three years of poring allows me to either already know that information or be able to more quickly find it and decipher it.

Your reading lacks a little, too. 

I didn't say I didn't trust my lawyers.  I trust them to protect my interests when I do what I'm going to do anyway.  That's why I let them review the contracts.  So they can see what they might have to defend.  Sometimes they make suggestions.  Sometimes I take them.

They know the bullshit monkey stuff about how a contract has to "look" in terms of the whereas and wherefore nonsense.  That has some value.

Well, if I had three lawyers and each of them gave me different advice based upon the same question, then I wouldn't trust at least two of them, that's for sure.  Again, unless you're presenting them with some off the wall cases of first impression, or unless you're asking them questions which have various subjective variables such as a judge's discretion in rendering certain rulings, then there's no reason for each of them to have a different answer from the next.

I also wouldn't trust/use an attorney if he has to look up 95% of my questions.  But to each his own, I guess...
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2011, 04:40:05 PM »
6 mins at a time. More on the weekends in the redlight district.

Oh, you can get more than six minutes at a time.  I just offer a six minute minimum so that I can get more customers into my mouth as the night progresses.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2011, 07:11:35 PM »
Its because they wrote the overly complicated legal system and tax code that exists today. You know, so only they can understand it. A lot of "they" being the Executive and Legislative Branches. And yes it is sad K.

So VV, you went to law school. Congrats. Nothing wrong with that. But your "I'm a lawyer" ego goes beyond this thread and the topic of jurisprudence. You want to tout your JD as reasoning that you know your stuff concerning topics in this thread. Fine. That's great, you probably know the law to the letter. But apparently it's also given you enough narcissism to be the foremost expert on every other topic as well. Including topics some of us MIGHT be a little more knowledgable about than you. I have an MBA, I own a business....but I don't throw it out there every time an economics/small business topic comes up. I'm willing to listen and change my stances and perspective as I learn new things. I've certainly stood corrected before against the face of common sense. You learn from real world experience. Not a book, not a college, not a certificate saying you know a lot about something. Those are tools.

I think what GarMan and Kaos try to inflect here is THE real world common sense knowledge that you can ONLY get from having "been there, done that" or owning a business, etc. I don't 100% agree with either of them on all topics. But that really isn't a reason to flex your own perceived superiority in intelligence because you "went to law school". Pride can be your enemy. Try having a perspective on things, that doesn't originate from a legal book point of view. Not everything is black and white. Not everything is finite. Maybe in your world, at your profession it is. But outside of the legal world and mathemetics, things just aren't. There is nothing wrong with using common sense or saying "hey, thats a good point. I didn't really think about it that way" instead of saying "I'm right, you're wrong. I'm a lawyer, but thanks for playing". That's just how you come across to people.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever SERVED on a jury? Have you experienced BEING a juror? Just curious.

Just a small point...the thread was a basic question about jury duty and getting deferred.  A question I gave a "common sense" and experienced answer to.  It was the non-lawyers that took it a different direction. 

This may come as a shock, but lawyers do know more law than the average layman.  There are some people that work in specialized areas, like Wench for instance in the oil biz, who know a shitload more oil law than the average lawyer that doesn't do oil law.  Kaos probably has some specialized knowledge of a particular area of law based on what he does.  I don't know diddly pooh about IT shit, and it wouldn't offend me if an IT guy let me know it if I popped off with some ignorant IT bullshit.   Many, however, think they know shit about things they're very ignorant or misinformed about.  They quite often pop off with ignorant shit too.   Sometimes about crap they've seen on TV, or sometimes it may even be based on one particular anecdotal experience of theirs, and they think because they saw it on TV, or since they witnessed it, it happens all the time.

If you got a medical problem because of the whore you paid for last week, you go see a doctor.

If your computer is fucked up because you got viruses out the ass from your porn downloads, you go see a computer guy.

If your 4 burrito 12 Beer dinner clogs your toilet the next morning, you call a plumber.

If your in a legal pickle because of the booze whores and porn...you fucking call a lawyer, or maybe a team of them!

Just sayin'.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2011, 09:12:48 PM »
Just a small point...the thread was a basic question about jury duty and getting deferred.  A question I gave a "common sense" and experienced answer to.  It was the non-lawyers that took it a different direction. 

This may come as a shock, but lawyers do know more law than the average layman.  There are some people that work in specialized areas, like Wench for instance in the oil biz, who know a shitload more oil law than the average lawyer that doesn't do oil law.  Kaos probably has some specialized knowledge of a particular area of law based on what he does.  I don't know diddly pooh about IT shit, and it wouldn't offend me if an IT guy let me know it if I popped off with some ignorant IT bullshit.   Many, however, think they know shit about things they're very ignorant or misinformed about.  They quite often pop off with ignorant shit too.   Sometimes about crap they've seen on TV, or sometimes it may even be based on one particular anecdotal experience of theirs, and they think because they saw it on TV, or since they witnessed it, it happens all the time.

If you got a medical problem because of the whore you paid for last week, you go see a doctor.

If your computer is fucked up because you got viruses out the ass from your porn downloads, you go see a computer guy.

If your 4 burrito 12 Beer dinner clogs your toilet the next morning, you call a plumber.

If your in a legal pickle because of the booze whores and porn...you fucking call a lawyer, or maybe a team of them!

Just sayin'.

I never get spyware from porn. Kaspersky is the shit. 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2011, 12:30:38 AM »
Example:  The LED fiasco.  I get the poop end of the stick because I point out the fact that these new LEDs don't contain anything different than current LEDs, and there was nothing put forth to refute that.  Meanwhile, GarMan claims that he owned LED backlit laptops before they were produced, and nobody bats a effing eye.  I guess he also used his experience to develop the flux capacitor and buy laptops from the future. 

You're going to pull me back into this???

This is what chaps my ass about the know-it-all twirps in here.  You've never even specified diodes or LEDs in a design or field application, but you're somehow more of an expert on the phucking subject than me, and everyone else for that matter.  I bet you even have trays of diodes and LEDs just like me in your electronics kit, and you've specified their use in one of your previous careers or employment opportunities, similar to me.  BTW, I don't think I ever shared that little tidbit with you in that thread, but it was fun letting you pontificate on schit that you knew little about, short of your googling, wiki-regurgitation and whatever popular soundbites that you may have recycled in your rants.  Yeah Mr. Know-Every-Phucking-Thing, in recent years, I do get a new laptop every couple of years and sometimes more frequently.  I've been with my current employer less than 4 years, and I'm on my third laptop with them.  My last 3 laptops were/are LED backlit, and most of the flatscreens in my home are LED backlit as well.  I make one incorrect statement, and that seems to invalidate everything in your feeble mind and make you the defacto winner, cuz you know more about every-damn-thing than everyone else. 

As mentioned in the thread, they pulled the same damn thing with the CFLs, yet you failed to acknowledge that little happen-stance.  And as I also mentioned, lead based paint and asbestos were even safe for consumer use in the past, but they were later proven to be a hazard and the source of several serious health issues.  By the way, these substances were used in a variety of applications for decades prior to them being identified as a hazard in certain scenarios.  After decades of mass use in the global population, the World Health Organization is now claiming that cell phones are "possibly" carcinogenic.  Of course, they were perfectly safe prior to that recent discovery...  Somehow, I'm expected to identify the potential risks of LEDs used in mass application as lighting sources before these devices have even been adopted.  How much more unreasonable could you be? 

The point here...  Everything prior to your birth is irrelevant.  Anything that you didn't learn along the way to adulthood is heresy...  And, just about everything the mainstream morons spew, you defend to the n-th phucking degree.  You are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.  As they say, it's sometimes better to remain silent, than remove all doubt... 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2011, 09:43:02 AM »
You're going to pull me back into this???

This is what chaps my ass about the know-it-all twirps in here.  You've never even specified diodes or LEDs in a design or field application, but you're somehow more of an expert on the phucking subject than me, and everyone else for that matter.  I bet you even have trays of diodes and LEDs just like me in your electronics kit, and you've specified their use in one of your previous careers or employment opportunities, similar to me.  BTW, I don't think I ever shared that little tidbit with you in that thread, but it was fun letting you pontificate on schit that you knew little about, short of your googling, wiki-regurgitation and whatever popular soundbites that you may have recycled in your rants.  Yeah Mr. Know-Every-Phucking-Thing, in recent years, I do get a new laptop every couple of years and sometimes more frequently.  I've been with my current employer less than 4 years, and I'm on my third laptop with them.  My last 3 laptops were/are LED backlit, and most of the flatscreens in my home are LED backlit as well.  I make one incorrect statement, and that seems to invalidate everything in your feeble mind and make you the defacto winner, cuz you know more about every-damn-thing than everyone else. 

As mentioned in the thread, they pulled the same damn thing with the CFLs, yet you failed to acknowledge that little happen-stance.  And as I also mentioned, lead based paint and asbestos were even safe for consumer use in the past, but they were later proven to be a hazard and the source of several serious health issues.  By the way, these substances were used in a variety of applications for decades prior to them being identified as a hazard in certain scenarios.  After decades of mass use in the global population, the World Health Organization is now claiming that cell phones are "possibly" carcinogenic.  Of course, they were perfectly safe prior to that recent discovery...  Somehow, I'm expected to identify the potential risks of LEDs used in mass application as lighting sources before these devices have even been adopted.  How much more unreasonable could you be? 

The point here...  Everything prior to your birth is irrelevant.  Anything that you didn't learn along the way to adulthood is heresy...  And, just about everything the mainstream morons spew, you defend to the n-th phucking degree.  You are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.  As they say, it's sometimes better to remain silent, than remove all doubt...

Bold is a microcosm of my point.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2011, 05:42:41 PM »
don't expect a guy who goes both ways to appreciate the basic function of a diode, but would a rectifier fix him?
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2011, 06:02:04 PM »
don't expect a guy who goes both ways to appreciate the basic function of a diode, but would a rectifier fix him? 

Oh, you mean like a pacifier for his rect... 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »
This is what chaps my ass about the know-it-all twirps in here.  You've never even specified diodes or LEDs in a design or field application, but you're somehow more of an expert on the phucking subject than me, and everyone else for that matter.  I bet you even have trays of diodes and LEDs just like me in your electronics kit, and you've specified their use in one of your previous careers or employment opportunities, similar to me.

Actually, if you must know, I have more experience with electronics than you think.  I've built my own computers since high school; I've got one torn down in my bedroom right now.  My brother and I repaired CB and HAM radios when we were younger. 

Do I have more experience than you?  Probably not.  But, of course, I don't need first hand experience with specifying uses for diodes, capacitors, transistors, heatsinks, or anything else in order to learn something about them.  I merely pointed out what was (and what was not) in an LED when compared to these "new" LEDs, and I asked what the new variable was that would pose a threat.

I never got a satisfactory response to that, other than you comparing it to CFLs, which contain mercury.  In my mind, that's not an acceptable comparison, because there is clearly a new variable in that lighting source.  With the LED bulbs, their chemical makeup is the same as LEDs which we already use in everyday applications.

Sure, maybe 50 years down the road we'll learn that something within all LEDs is dangerous, but you failed to acknowledge my point:  If you or anyone else is so damned worried about the hazardous effects of LED bulbs, then shouldn't you also be worried about the hazardous effects of all LEDs?  You might as well claim that gas go-karts are dangerous to the environment, but that all other gasoline engines are fine.

I make one incorrect statement, and that seems to invalidate everything in your feeble mind and make you the defacto winner, cuz you know more about every-damn-thing than everyone else.

My issue was not specifically with your incorrect statement; my issue was with the fact that it's apparently a new trend amongst a certain group of you to follow me around the forums and complain about how I argue with every person on every topic without knowing anything about the topic...and they choose to do so on a fucking legal topic.  Meanwhile, no one bats an eye about the fact that you made an incorrect statement.  No, it's obviously me who never knows what he's talking about and makes incorrect statements...  :taunt:
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2011, 12:43:25 PM »
Actually, if you must know, I have more experience with electronics than you think.  I've built my own computers since high school; I've got one torn down in my bedroom right now.  My brother and I repaired CB and HAM radios when we were younger. 

Do I have more experience than you?  Probably not.  But, of course, I don't need first hand experience with specifying uses for diodes, capacitors, transistors, heatsinks, or anything else in order to learn something about them.  I merely pointed out what was (and what was not) in an LED when compared to these "new" LEDs, and I asked what the new variable was that would pose a threat.

I never got a satisfactory response to that, other than you comparing it to CFLs, which contain mercury.  In my mind, that's not an acceptable comparison, because there is clearly a new variable in that lighting source.  With the LED bulbs, their chemical makeup is the same as LEDs which we already use in everyday applications.

Sure, maybe 50 years down the road we'll learn that something within all LEDs is dangerous, but you failed to acknowledge my point:  If you or anyone else is so damned worried about the hazardous effects of LED bulbs, then shouldn't you also be worried about the hazardous effects of all LEDs?  You might as well claim that gas go-karts are dangerous to the environment, but that all other gasoline engines are fine.

My issue was not specifically with your incorrect statement; my issue was with the fact that it's apparently a new trend amongst a certain group of you to follow me around the forums and complain about how I argue with every person on every topic without knowing anything about the topic...and they choose to do so on a fucking legal topic.  Meanwhile, no one bats an eye about the fact that you made an incorrect statement.  No, it's obviously me who never knows what he's talking about and makes incorrect statements...  :taunt:

Without bothering to read the previous five pages, I'm just curious as to what the fuck this has to do with jury duty?
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2011, 12:48:55 PM »
Without bothering to read the previous five pages, I'm just curious as to what the fuck this has to do with jury duty?

By not bothering to read the previous five pages, you've missed the posts in which it was claimed that I think I know everything simply because I'm a lawyer.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2011, 02:15:24 PM »
By not bothering to read the previous five pages, you've missed the posts in which it was claimed that I think I know everything simply because I'm a lawyer.

You're no Johnnie Cochran my friend.
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2011, 02:40:57 PM »
You're no Johnnie Cochran my friend.

Never claimed to be.  But for whatever reason, when I make an argumentative or informative post, I'm apparently implying that I know everything about everything.  Meanwhile, those people making similar responses to my posts are doing no such thing.  They're perfect little angels. 
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Re: Quick Question About Jury Duty
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2011, 02:56:57 PM »
Lots of   and  in this thread.
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Courage is only fear holding on a minute longer.--George S. Patton

There are gonna be days when you lay your guts on the line and you come away empty handed, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it but go back out there and lay em on the line again...and again, and again! -- Coach Pat Dye

It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan