Why the Bama pick?

Kaos · « **on:** May 27, 2011, 03:34:09 PM »

I keep hearing these "experts" pimp Bama as an SEC lock and likely title contender.

I'm waiting for a rational or reasonable explanation.

They lost a two year starter at quarterback who sucked but won games. He's replaced by a stick figure who has never thrown a meaningful pass. So far he's only proved that he can take a spanking.

They lost a Heisman Trophy Ewok. Replaced by a mental midget who has not ever proven he can carry the load.

They lost a first rounder on the OL. JOKE. The rest of the OL was flat out abused by Auburn. And LSU. And others.

They lost the only possession receiver they had. Replaced by a bunch of mediocre players. 4-8 Marqueeze Maze? Tom Hanks? Without Coal Wendy to draw attention those guys might never catch a ball.

Between Wendy, McGinger and the Ewok that's what? 60% 70%? 80%? of the offense?

Jim Monkeyween is highly overrated as an OC, too.

What am I not seeing ?

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2011, 04:07:18 PM »

You dare question Lord Saybinz???

I agree on most points. I do think they should be one of the favorites to win the SEC but QB would be my biggest concern. LSU would be my outright pick to win the SEC and challenge for the MNC but road games with Oregon (Not really a road game, just not at home) West Virginia and Alabama concern me. I thought they looked pretty damn stout in dismantling teh Faggies in their bowl.

I think Bama has a lot of talent but the assumption by many is that they can lose all that production and just have someone step right in and not miss a beat. What I hear is most people saying their defense is what will carry them; however, they may be considered the favorite by default. Other than LSU, who in the entire SEC is thought to have as much talent? Auburn is a year away (IMO) MSU is never going to truly be on that level, nor will Ole Miss.

In the east, I don't see anyone with the weapons to take the crown. Most say USCe but until they can say they've been there, done that..fuck them and their overrated coach.

AU_Tiger_2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2011, 04:13:05 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on May 27, 2011, 04:07:18 PM

You dare question Lord Saybinz???

I agree on most points. I do think they should be one of the favorites to win the SEC but QB would be my biggest concern. LSU would be my outright pick to win the SEC and challenge for the MNC but road games with Oregon (Not really a road game, just not at home) West Virginia and Alabama concern me. I thought they looked pretty damn stout in dismantling teh Faggies in their bowl.

I think Bama has a lot of talent but the assumption by many is that they can lose all that production and just have someone step right in and not miss a beat. What I hear is most people saying their defense is what will carry them; however, they may be considered the favorite by default. Other than LSU, who in the entire SEC is thought to have as much talent? Auburn is a year away (IMO) MSU is never going to truly be on that level, nor will Ole Miss.

In the east, I don't see anyone with the weapons to take the crown. Most say USCe but until they can say they've been there, done that..eff them and their overrated coach.

^ This

You have to pick someone, and if you are smart they will be from the SEC

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2011, 04:20:39 PM »

SHAYBIN!

That's the real reason. And overrated, overhyped recruiting rankings.

Granted, in terms of evaluating positions, who wins?

QB - Georgia? Tennessee? Miss St?
RB - Bama, Auburn, or LSU
WR - Arkansas
OL - LSU (?) Not sure on this one
DE - Alabama
DT - Miss St
LB - Alabama
DB - Alabama

I'm not saying this equals Alabama as the lock, but I understand some people picking them #1 in the SEC for this year.

Alabama is definitely not a legit top 5 team in the country.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2011, 04:24:23 PM »

I just checked the depth chart (Crimpsum hurts my eyes) and they do in fact have a ton of returning players who started or contributed heavily...especially on defense. But the losses Kaos pointed out, of guys who really produced a good portion of their offense last year are going to be hard to replace. As K indicated, Julio may have been just as valuable opening it up for the other WR's as he was blocking and running routes.

djsimp · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2011, 05:17:52 PM »

I'm guessing that bama is the new Ohio St. Its the pick the requires no logical thinking.

jmar · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2011, 08:21:02 PM »

I think the west rep gets tagged for a loss this season.

Don't low-rate Miss. State (16 returning starters) or Arky/ Bobby Petrino because they are State, Arky/ Bobby Petrino.
I say one of these two inflicts a loss on Alabama who has the most favorable schedule among all West teams. So yes a one loss Alabama can still go to Atlanta.

I like LSU's OL but they have no marquee RB...yet. And they will miss Nevis, Sheppard and Peterson even if they are loaded with young talent. This bunch can beat Alabama too. The Les factor is always in play and they might drop a west game as well.

We might be waiting for the final regular season weekend of Nov. 25th- Arky at LSU before it sorts out.
Iron Bowl is the next day.

Token · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2011, 08:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 27, 2011, 03:34:09 PM

I keep hearing these "experts" pimp Bama as an SEC lock and likely title contender.

I'm waiting for a rational or reasonable explanation.

They lost a two year starter at quarterback who sucked but won games. He's replaced by a stick figure who has never thrown a meaningful pass. So far he's only proved that he can take a spanking.

Same could have been said about McElroy in 2009.

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They lost a Heisman Trophy Ewok. Replaced by a mental midget who has not ever proven he can carry the load.

Same could have been said about Ingram in 2009. Well, Coffee wasn't a Heisman winner, but he did have a boat load of yards in 2008 while Ingram was barely a name.

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They lost a first rounder on the OL. JOKE. The rest of the OL was flat out abused by Auburn. And LSU. And others.

I don't think they were abused by any one team. Fairly did have his way against Anthony Steen. But he also had his ass pancaked by DJ Fluker. They were inconsistent however, so hopefully the new OL coach can light a fire.

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They lost the only possession receiver they had. Replaced by a bunch of mediocre players. 4-8 Marqueeze Maze? Tom Hanks? Without Coal Wendy to draw attention those guys might never catch a ball. Between Wendy, McGinger and the Ewok that's what? 60% 70%? 80%? of the offense?
Jim Monkeyween is highly overrated as an OC, too.
What am I not seeing ?

McElwain tried to be too fancy in the redzone last season. I could go back and crunch the numbers (I did last season being pissed game after game) and show the difference in red zone play calling between 2008 and 2009, but I'm not going to. Having an inexperienced quarterback and no go-to-receiver will benefit Alabama, IMO. Trent Richardson, regardless of what you believe, is probably the most talented running back in the SEC. If having a new QB lands him 5-10 extra touches each game, Richardson will have 1400+ yards and a ton of touchdowns.

The defense will be outstanding. Give them an offense that will control the clock and limit turnovers? Alabama will be hard to beat.

The Prowler · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2011, 10:57:55 PM »

Wait, having an inexperienced QB, no go to WR...is a good thing? Well, Guess that means Auburn will be back-to-back Champions then. WooHoo!!!!

Kaos · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2011, 04:52:23 AM »

Quote from: Token on May 27, 2011, 08:43:41 PM

Having an inexperienced quarterback and no go-to-receiver will benefit Alabama, IMO. Trent Richardson, regardless of what you believe, is probably the most talented running back in the SEC.

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Trent Richardson has the mental capacity of a cup of chocolate syrup. He is not the most talented back in the SEC by any stretch. He's shown no inclination whatsoever that he's capable of being an every down back -- in fact he's illustrated the opposite.

As for the other? McGinger was a fluke. AJ McBrodie doesn't have the same cast. Ingram remains barely a name. Least deserving Heisman winner in the history of the award. Pancaked by DJ Fluker? ha. ha. haaa. ha. ha. Ridiculous. The only pancake that big overrated bastard ever had was at waffle house.

GH2001 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2011, 08:44:04 AM »

Quote from: Token on May 27, 2011, 08:43:41 PM

Same could have been said about McElroy in 2009.

Same could have been said about Ingram in 2009. Well, Coffee wasn't a Heisman winner, but he did have a boat load of yards in 2008 while Ingram was barely a name.

I don't think they were abused by any one team. Fairly did have his way against Anthony Steen. But he also had his ass pancaked by DJ Fluker. They were inconsistent however, so hopefully the new OL coach can light a fire.

McElwain tried to be too fancy in the redzone last season. I could go back and crunch the numbers (I did last season being pissed game after game) and show the difference in red zone play calling between 2008 and 2009, but I'm not going to. Having an inexperienced quarterback and no go-to-receiver will benefit Alabama, IMO. Trent Richardson, regardless of what you believe, is probably the most talented running back in the SEC. If having a new QB lands him 5-10 extra touches each game, Richardson will have 1400+ yards and a ton of touchdowns.

The defense will be outstanding. Give them an offense that will control the clock and limit turnovers? Alabama will be hard to beat.

Mr. Objective.

One of the better RB's, yes. Lattimore and Dyer were also both ranked #1 by a recruiting service coming out of HS just like Trent. Did you miss what they did last year as 18 yr old Freshmen? You did say "talented" right?

Token · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2011, 10:02:05 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 28, 2011, 04:52:23 AM

Trent Richardson has the mental capacity of a cup of chocolate syrup. He is not the most talented back in the SEC by any stretch. He's shown no inclination whatsoever that he's capable of being an every down back -- in fact he's illustrated the opposite.

Uhh. You do realize that he's been the #2 running back for the last two seasons, right? Not the starter? Tell you what. Give me your definition of "every down back" and if it isn't as outlandish as most of your hyperbole, I'll give you the opportunity to put your _______ where your mouth is.

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AJ McBrodie doesn't have the same cast.

Don't talk in circles. You have been critical of Julio and Ingram since they stepped on campus, and now you hint that McGinger only won a shit ton of games because of his cast?

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Pancaked by DJ Fluker? ha. ha. haaa. ha. ha. Ridiculous.

It happened. Maybe in the second quarter. Near mid field. Just because you probably wasn't watching that part of the game doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Quote from: GH2001 on May 28, 2011, 08:44:04 AM

Mr. Objective.

One of the better RB's, yes. Lattimore and Dyer were also both ranked #1 by a recruiting service coming out of HS just like Trent. Did you miss what they did last year as 18 yr old Freshmen? You did say "talented" right?

Did they play behind a Heisman winner last season? No? Were they at least 2nd string last season? No? Trent's only fault is that he didn't choose to sign with a school that had zero talent or depth at running back.

Let me restate my comment for the record.

Trent Richardson, right now, is the most talented/best/second to none running back in the SEC. And when the dust settles next January, Kaos will owe whatever he is willing to put on the line. Assuming he isn't trying to say that "every down back" = Heisman.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2011, 12:07:15 PM »

Quote from: Token on May 28, 2011, 10:02:05 AM

Uhh. You do realize that he's been the #2 running back for the last two seasons, right? Not the starter? Tell you what. Give me your definition of "every down back" and if it isn't as outlandish as most of your hyperbole, I'll give you the opportunity to put your _______ where your mouth is.

Don't talk in circles. You have been critical of Julio and Ingram since they stepped on campus, and now you hint that McGinger only won a shit ton of games because of his cast?

It happened. Maybe in the second quarter. Near mid field. Just because you probably wasn't watching that part of the game doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Did they play behind a Heisman winner last season? No? Were they at least 2nd string last season? No? Trent's only fault is that he didn't choose to sign with a school that had zero talent or depth at running back.

Let me restate my comment for the record.

Trent Richardson, right now, is the most talented/best/second to none running back in the SEC. And when the dust settles next January, Kaos will owe whatever he is willing to put on the line. Assuming he isn't trying to say that "every down back" = Heisman.

Point of order: Dyer did, in fact, play "behind" the heisman trophy winner.

Token · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on May 28, 2011, 12:07:15 PM

Point of order: Dyer did, in fact, play "behind" the heisman trophy winner.

Although Cam wasn't a running back, he was a demi god, so I'll concede that argument. I still say Trent is better than Dyer. They'll both be starters, they'll both get a load of carries and they'll both be the backbone of their offenses. Trent will have a better year, because he is the better back.

Xanusus · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2011, 04:51:02 PM »

Quote from: Token on May 28, 2011, 12:21:53 PM

Although Cam wasn't a running back, he was a demi god, so I'll concede that argument. I still say Trent is better than Dyer. They'll both be starters, they'll both get a load of carries and they'll both be the backbone of their offenses. Trent will have a better year, because he is the better back.

Trent ran up yards against less than stellar competition. He only had two 100+ yard rushing performances. One came against a 7-6 Penn St. team who finished ranked #76 in rush defense(oooh I'm impressed!). His other 100 yard performance came against a 6-7 Tennessee team who finished ranked 60 in rushing defense. When Trent was pitted against good rushing defenses, like LSU's, Auburn's, and USC's last year. He did JACK SQUAT. His best game was against Florida where he gained 63 yards on 10 carries as Florida had a good rush D last year.

Dyer against LSU and USC went over a hundred both games and averaged more yards per carry than Trent both times. Dyer also finished the year with MORE yards than Trent. And Dyer had to split time with the SEC's leading rusher(Cam) and the nation's leading yards per carry RB(OMAC).

Only in your mind is Trent better. The facts say otherwise.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2011, 05:00:49 PM »

I like Dyer over Trent.

Dyer is more agile and has much better vision. I think he also has more top end speed.

Trent is a bulldozer. He's a solid rock of muscle, and he has the ability to bust through gangs of tacklers. However, that doesn't work consistently in the SEC. You have to be diverse or else you'll get injured.

jmar · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2011, 08:43:46 PM »

Dyer and Lattimore both hit the 1000 yd. mark as freshmen.
Richardson as a number two back got over 700.
Knile Davis is a very good everydown back, and 5th fastest on his team.

But cmon fellas, Trent Richardson is a fucking beast with no quit. He gets the tough yards that Ingram couldn't, plus he is a very good receiver...Dyer, while he is a tremendous runner and protects very well on pass downs, is not really a threat to catch the ball. And with a brand new OL, I think I'll reserve comment on which is best till around mid season. All eyes on Grimes. If he pulls this off, he unseats the Roofer (my personal most valuable coach) and he will certainly have his pick of new offers.
Lattimore went awol a few time after getting blasted but he might be the best receiving threat and probably is the best overall everydown college back of those mentioned above.

None of them are unstoppable and all are asked to do different things for their team.

ANOTHER DEBATE:
I pick Garcia (he's not just a drunk, he's a headcase) as my QB if I had to choose. Yes even though I like Aaron Murray, a fleet nimble runner that finds receivers on slants and wide open AJ Green, there is no doubt in my mind that Garcia is a better all-around pure passer with a deft touch. He is also one tough sonuvabitch.
Spurrier knows how good Stephen Garcia is compared to his UF QBs but also knows Garcia can make him look ridiculous especially when he slips up and says something positive about him.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2011, 12:26:30 AM »

Quote from: jmar on May 28, 2011, 08:43:46 PM

Dyer and Lattimore both hit the 1000 yd. mark as freshmen.
Richardson as a number two back got over 700.
Knile Davis is a very good everydown back, and 5th fastest on his team.

But cmon fellas, Trent Richardson is a fucking beast with no quit. He gets the tough yards that Ingram couldn't, plus he is a very good receiver...Dyer, while he is a tremendous runner and protects very well on pass downs, is not really a threat to catch the ball. And with a brand new OL, I think I'll reserve comment on which is best till around mid season. All eyes on Grimes. If he pulls this off, he unseats the Roofer (my personal most valuable coach) and he will certainly have his pick of new offers.
Lattimore went awol a few time after getting blasted but he might be the best receiving threat and probably is the best overall everydown college back of those mentioned above.

None of them are unstoppable and all are asked to do different things for their team.

ANOTHER DEBATE:
I pick Garcia (he's not just a drunk, he's a headcase) as my QB if I had to choose. Yes even though I like Aaron Murray, a fleet nimble runner that finds receivers on slants and wide open AJ Green, there is no doubt in my mind that Garcia is a better all-around pure passer with a deft touch. He is also one tough sonuvabitch.
Spurrier knows how good Stephen Garcia is compared to his UF QBs but also knows Garcia can make him look ridiculous especially when he slips up and says something positive about him.

The "TR got 700 as the #2 back" doesn't win him anything.

Dyer was running behind Cam Newton who could run and throw for an exorbitant amount of yards. He was also sharing carries with O-Mac and also the occasional receiver who took a reverse.

Dyer still his 1000 yards. 1000 yards? He broke Bo Jackson's freshman record.

Let's not act like Dyer did this because he was the workhorse of the team, and TR was picking up scraps.

I'll give the edge to TR in terms of pass catching. Unfortunately for Dyer, he's a member of the Lollipop Guild.

JR4AU · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2011, 09:59:58 AM »

I think Richardson is ok myself. Great? Who knows? Two seasons as the #2 guy with 700-750 yards, and about 5.5ypc avg those 2 years. Not bad as the #2 guy.

Dyer became the #1 RB, but still was the #2 guy. He's solid, no doubt about it. I think he's got a more durable build, but not by much. He's probably not as fast, but you're talking the difference between 4.45 and 4.5 or something like that. I could be off on that, but you get the picture. In one season, his freshman season, Dyer had 182 carries at 6.0ypc. That's a better ypc avg with 70% of the total carries of Richardson over his 2 seasons. That's a nice sized sample for comparison.

Each plays in a system that is quite different from the other.

Say what you want about Ginger, but he was a seasoned QB, and had Who Leo that had to be accounted for with coverage, usually taking a defender out of the box most downs.

Dyer certainly benefited by the threat of Cam.

Neither will have those benefits this season. How each performs will be largely dependent on how the offense around them develops with the new QBs, and loss of certain other contributors at the OL and WR positions.

If McCarron is effective, it will benefit Richardson. If not, then he and bammer will have a long season. As always, when Auburn is rebuilding, bammer is reloading, just ask any of the mullet nation.

Our QB situation is up in the air. Doubt we strike gold, oil and diamonds with whoever it is like we did with Cam, but it probably won't be as bad as the Finebaumistas predict. Russell Wilson? I'm personally not giddy over that prospect, but then again, I had reservations about Cam last August. I think Trotter can be at least as good as Todd, and is more mobile. The OL is a complete unknown. If they're good, things could go quite well for whoever is calling the signals.

The bammer pick? Because they tell everyone that when they lose star players, and starting experience that they have someone on the bench as good or better. Also has a lot to do with how they thrashed Michigan St. Which, for some reason, the pollsters and prognosticators like to focus on, but in reality means jack shit as to the 2011 season.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2011, 10:57:32 AM »

Quote from: Token on May 28, 2011, 12:21:53 PM

Although Cam wasn't a running back, he was a demi god, so I'll concede that argument. I still say Trent is better than Dyer. They'll both be starters, they'll both get a load of carries and they'll both be the backbone of their offenses. Trent will have a better year, because he is the better back.

I wasn't seriously entering the debate, just making a silly semantic distinction.

That said, Richardson wears Dyer underoos.