Donald Trump for President?

GarMan · « **Reply #20 on:** April 15, 2011, 08:52:54 AM »

Quote from: Vandy Vol on April 15, 2011, 02:01:34 AM

So even though we may not directly be getting the majority of our oil from the Middle East, the ultimate source...

Of course, this doesn't mean that a majority...

Nonetheless, the fact that we import...

World oil reserves really have no part in this discussion. You're suggesting that some of our imported oil could be pass-through imports, but you've provided no evidence of that. In fact, your speculation is based on no verifiable information. The US imports approximately 55% of our oil. Of the oil that is imported, only 35% is "directly" sourced from the middle east region. Imports originally sourced from the middle eastern region and passed through another country for importing to the US could be possible, but is it really plausible? Especially, an amount large enough to notably influence these statistics? Talk about misleading... And, don't tell anyone that oil is secretly produced by grinding up unicorns and boiling leprechauns.

Lurking Tiger · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2011, 10:27:49 AM »

Imported oil doesn't bother me. As long as we keep enough domestic oil production going to keep the Amercain industry from going under.

Let's use up all the foreign oil before we drain our own. That's a bit simplistic, but hopefilly you get my point.

GarMan · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2011, 11:13:48 AM »

Quote from: Lurking Tiger on April 15, 2011, 10:27:49 AM

Imported oil doesn't bother me. As long as we keep enough domestic oil production going to keep the Amercain industry from going under.

Let's use up all the foreign oil before we drain our own. That's a bit simplistic, but hopefilly you get my point.

I'm with you on that, but I'm tired of the artificial inflation on energy. The US does have enough reserves locally to keep this country going for 300-400+ years based on current consumption rates, but we're not permitted to touch it. We could literally drive sub-$1 / gallon prices if they'd let us go after it.

GH2001 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2011, 11:45:13 AM »

Quote from: GarMan on April 15, 2011, 11:13:48 AM

I'm with you on that, but I'm tired of the artificial inflation on energy. The US does have enough reserves locally to keep this country going for 300-400+ years based on current consumption rates, but we're not permitted to touch it. We could literally drive sub-$1 / gallon prices if they'd let us go after it.

People really are in the dark about how much oil we are sitting on here. No, not in the Gulf. In Colorado, Alaska, Montana. And they will peddle the line that "its unextractable". Bullshit. Thats a nice convenient excuse for environmentalists. Oil companies and exploration experts have said that this oil is extractable. The reason we aren't doing so is due to the gov't and the EPA. The EPA needs to be abolished completely.

Lurking Tiger · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2011, 01:46:07 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on April 15, 2011, 11:13:48 AM

I'm with you on that, but I'm tired of the artificial inflation on energy. The US does have enough reserves locally to keep this country going for 300-400+ years based on current consumption rates, but we're not permitted to touch it. We could literally drive sub-$1 / gallon prices if they'd let us go after it.

Help me out here, this is a serious question, not a smart ass comment.

Don't the traders in the financial markets have a lot to do with the higher prices ? Not just supply and demand ?

Tarheel · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2011, 02:24:02 PM »

Quote from: Lurking Tiger on April 15, 2011, 01:46:07 PM

Help me out here, this is a serious question, not a smart ass comment.

Don't the traders in the financial markets have a lot to do with the higher prices ? Not just supply and demand ?

Of course they do but they too are driven in part by what they see in the market conditions; seeing a 'safe' source of oil opened quells the "fear" part of the Fear and Greed tenets that they always use as a guage for any commodity.

Tarheel · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM »

More germane to the topic; here are the results of a new poll regarding Republican Presidential Candidates for 2012 released by Public Policy Polling just yesterday:

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DONALD TRUMP 27%
MIKE HUCKLEBERRY 17%
MITT ROMNEY 15%
NEWT GINGRICH 11%
SARAH PALIN 8%
RON PAUL 5%
TIM PAWLENTY 4%
MICHELLE BACHMANN 4%
HALEY BARBOUR 3%
...

Full Poll Data Here:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0414925.pdf

Lurking Tiger · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2011, 03:42:15 PM »

Quote from: Tarheel on April 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM

More germane to the topic; here are the results of a new poll regarding Republican Presidential Candidates for 2012 released by Public Policy Polling just yesterday:

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DONALD TRUMP 27%
MIKE HUCKLEBERRY 17%
MITT ROMNEY 15%
NEWT GINGRICH 11%
SARAH PALIN 8%
RON PAUL 5%
TIM PAWLENTY 4%
MICHELLE BACHMANN 4%
HALEY BARBOUR 3%
...

Full Poll Data Here:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0414925.pdf

35% of Americans are absolutely fucking stupid and should be disenfranchised.

Just sayin'.

Saniflush · « **Reply #28 on:** April 15, 2011, 03:50:50 PM »

Quote from: Tarheel on April 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM

More germane to the topic; here are the results of a new poll regarding Republican Presidential Candidates for 2012 released by Public Policy Polling just yesterday:

Full Poll Data Here:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0414925.pdf

"The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!"

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #29 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:02:25 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on April 15, 2011, 03:50:50 PM

"The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!"

"Germane" As in Germane Jackson. You know, Tito, Michael and all that? Duh!

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:06:02 PM »

Quote from: Tarheel on April 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM

More germane to the topic; here are the results of a new poll regarding Republican Presidential Candidates for 2012 released by Public Policy Polling just yesterday:

Full Poll Data Here:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0414925.pdf

So in other words, when it should be a slam dunk for the republicans, they are going to run their "I'm not Obama" candidate just like the Dems did with Kerry and Obama is going to win?

GarMan · « **Reply #31 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:14:56 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on April 15, 2011, 04:06:02 PM

So in other words, when it should be a slam dunk for the republicans, they are going to run their "I'm not Obama" candidate just like the Dems did with Kerry and Obama is going to win?

Exactly! Like I said, they're going to screw this up...

Tarheel · « **Reply #32 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:20:50 PM »

Quote from: AUTiger1 on April 15, 2011, 04:06:02 PM

So in other words, when it should be a slam dunk for the republicans, they are going to run their "I'm not Obama" candidate just like the Dems did with Kerry and Obama is going to win?

I don't know, AUT1, Trump is not quite the personality that I think the Republican Party needs right now; he's got the rock star name recognition but I think he's weak on the details.

I'm getting less and less enthusiastic about this campaign every day; here we have the Pharaoh Obama with approval ratings in the low 40s and yet he still has rock star status; campaigning being his one and only strong point.

Meanwhile the Republicans best guy right now is Trump? or Huckleberry?

It's really quite a shame because the Pharaoh can be defeated!

Where's our Moses when we need him?!

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:27:30 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on April 15, 2011, 04:14:56 PM

Exactly! Like I said, they're going to screw this up...

and that makes me

GarMan · « **Reply #34 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:58:47 PM »

Quote from: Lurking Tiger on April 15, 2011, 01:46:07 PM

Help me out here, this is a serious question, not a smart ass comment.

Don't the traders in the financial markets have a lot to do with the higher prices ? Not just supply and demand ?

Oh, I do agree with that to an extent, but we have OPEC artificially driving the prices up by reducing the supply. This uncontrollable variability just sends the markets into a frenzy. Compound that with Obama's refusal to negotiate with this diamond-syndicate-like mafia and his admitted interest in driving all energy prices higher to spark interest and pseudo-viability in alternative energies. In other words, we're going to be paying $5+/gallon by the end of summer for all the wrong reasons. Rather than letting market interest drive alternative energies, he's playing politics with our economy and beating the crap out of the lower and middle classes. When GWB opened up exploration in the US during his second term, gas prices dropped to the $1.65/gallon range. Now that Obama's stopped that again, the prices have increased at a rate faster than ever...

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2011, 02:51:41 PM »

Quote from: GarMan on April 15, 2011, 08:52:54 AM

World oil reserves really have no part in this discussion. You're suggesting that some of our imported oil could be pass-through imports, but you've provided no evidence of that. In fact, your speculation is based on no verifiable information. The US imports approximately 55% of our oil. Of the oil that is imported, only 35% is "directly" sourced from the middle east region. Imports originally sourced from the middle eastern region and passed through another country for importing to the US could be possible, but is it really plausible? Especially, an amount large enough to notably influence these statistics? Talk about misleading... And, don't tell anyone that oil is secretly produced by grinding up unicorns and boiling leprechauns.

If you're talking about the production of oil, then the proven oil reserves do have a part in the discussion, as that is the source of the vast majority of produced oil. And when the Middle East clearly has the vast majority of those proven reserves, then it becomes a higher mathematical possibility for "pass through" imports from the Middle East. As a country which accounts for a quarter of total world oil imports, it's almost unfathomable to conclude that we're not getting pass through imports to some degree. Of the 12 OPEC countries, eight are Middle Eastern. Around the world, about 84 million barrels of oil are produced each day, around 32 million of which are produced in Middle Eastern countries.

Again, I agree with you that it's not as if we're receiving a significant portion of our oil from the Middle East in the form of a pass through import, but when the country that is highest on our import list receives 55% of its supply from mostly Middle Eastern countries, and when so much of the world's supply is from Middle Eastern sources, I'd certainly call the possibility of Middle Eastern pass through imports plausible.

This was all conjecture based upon the above quoted figures, but just from doing a little more research on the topic, there's a book which, in one of its sections, attempts to quantify the amount of indirectly imported oil from the Middle East.

But I do have to completely disagree with you about the production of oil...it's clearly made from infant orphans.

GH2001 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:20:02 PM »

Quote from: Lurking Tiger on April 15, 2011, 01:46:07 PM

Help me out here, this is a serious question, not a smart ass comment.

Don't the traders in the financial markets have a lot to do with the higher prices ? Not just supply and demand ?

Commodities "speculators". And yes. Many of them artificially drive up the price because of supply/demand.

I.e. - US expects travel to be up 10% this Summer, so the price of sweet crude went up 1.50 a barrel today. DEMAND.

I.e. - Libya troubles drive a barrel of light sweet crude up 2 dollars. SUPPLY

djsimp · « **Reply #37 on:** April 17, 2011, 11:43:36 PM »

Back to the topic, if TRUMP becomes president I am moving to another country. Understand when I say this I vote Republican.

GH2001 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2011, 12:05:32 AM »

Quote from: djsimp41 on April 17, 2011, 11:43:36 PM

Back to the topic, if TRUMP becomes president I am moving to another country. Understand when I say this I vote Republican.

It wouldn't be worse than what is up there now. Just saying.

Vandy Vol · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2011, 09:08:30 AM »

Quote from: GH2001 on April 17, 2011, 10:20:02 PM

Commodities "speculators". And yes. Many of them artificially drive up the price because of supply/demand.

I.e. - US expects travel to be up 10% this Summer, so the price of sweet crude went up 1.50 a barrel today. DEMAND.

I.e. - Libya troubles drive a barrel of light sweet crude up 2 dollars. SUPPLY

That's the other thing about the oil market. Even if America were to effectively reduce its reliance on Middle Eastern oil to the point that we were importing none from the Middle East in any form or fashion, the oil market is global. Any potential unrest or effects to the supply in the Middle East will cause spectators to predict less of a supply, thereby affecting all prices regardless of the source, mostly due to the massive amounts of oil that the Middle East supplies to other countries within the market. Like GarMan said, ultimately we're going to have to move away from all types of foreign oil reliance (or reliance upon oil in general) in order to prevent this type of instability.

But yeah, back to the topic...Trump >>>>>> Obama. Although I'd probably prefer to see Warren Buffett if we're going to propose financial gurus for president.