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Saban vs. Chizik

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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2011, 05:38:44 PM »
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2011, 05:41:08 PM »
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 05:42:07 PM »
When you start picking and choosing what to compare, one could build a strong argument that if Chizik doesn't go on to win 22 more games over the next 2 seasons including 17 more regular season games without a loss, then Saban > Chizik. 

Of course, that's only if you pick and choose what you'd like to compare.
The "Regular Season" argument, (which of course bammers use ad-nauseum) is cherry picking.

This coach, at this University is not. Like I did in the original post, you can compare two years vs. two years, or you can compare four years vs. two years, but to me, all that is relevant is what has this coach done at this school.

If using only the records from your school skews the statistics negatively, isn't that an indictment of your program? Why can't he get it done there like he did everywhere else? Not really something to brag about.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 05:54:40 PM »
The "Regular Season" argument, (which of course bammers use ad-nauseum) is cherry picking.

This coach, at this University is not. Like I did in the original post, you can compare two years vs. two years, or you can compare four years vs. two years, but to me, all that is relevant is what has this coach done at this school.

If using only the records from your school skews the statistics negatively, isn't that an indictment of your program? Why can't he get it done there like he did everywhere else? Not really something to brag about.

It's all cherry picking.  How about we just do 3 years vs 3 years.

Saban

1 BCS Championship
1 SEC Championship
2 SEC West Division Champs

33-8 record.

For Chizik to match Saban after 3 years, he'll have to win the west next season and have a final record of 11-3.  And that's just to match what Saban has done.
 

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 06:09:36 PM »
It's all cherry picking.  How about we just do 3 years vs 3 years.

Saban

1 BCS Championship
1 SEC Championship
2 SEC West Division Champs

33-8 record.

For Chizik to match Saban after 3 years, he'll have to win the west next season and have a final record of 11-3.  And that's just to match what Saban has done.

To match what Chizik has done, Saban will have to win the BCS title in his second year at bammer, and win the 2010 BCSC.  How's that gonna fucking work out?
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2011, 06:12:26 PM »
Chiz is 2-0 in bowls, and Malzahn is actually the head coach, just ask the bammers.
That gimicky offense has run it's course. Urban Meyer says it's nothing but a base I  and Nick Saban says whatever it was, it blew through Tuscaloosa like a fucking shitstorm.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2011, 06:16:52 PM »
To match what Chizik has done, Saban will have to win the BCS title in his second year at bammer, and win the 2010 BCSC.  How's that gonna phuking work out?

And be on probation by his fourth year  :poke: Not going to work out.
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2011, 06:17:55 PM »
That gimicky offense has run it's course. Urban Meyer says it's nothing but a base I  and Nick Saban says whatever it was, it blew through Tuscaloosa like a phuking poopstorm.

"We need to get in the nickel....I mean Oregon needs to get in the nickel."
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2011, 06:32:04 PM »
"We need to get in the nickel....I mean Oregon needs to get in the nickel."
goddamn everybody needs to get in the nickel cause nobody can stop the phukers.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2011, 09:21:30 PM »
So, with Newton going pro, an entirely new offensive line, numerous new starters on defense, Fairley probably leaving early, etc, what are the odds of Chizik continuing this trend? Will he be able to hit 10+ win seasons consistantly without Tebow's brother from another mother?
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2011, 09:33:36 PM »
So, with Newton going pro, an entirely new offensive line, numerous new starters on defense, Fairley probably leaving early, etc, what are the odds of Chizik continuing this trend? Will he be able to hit 10+ win seasons consistantly without Tebow's brother from another mother?
Nobody can afford to leave. That's what you want to say.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2011, 09:42:31 PM »
So, with Newton going pro, an entirely new offensive line, numerous new starters on defense, Fairley probably leaving early, etc, what are the odds of Chizik continuing this trend? Will he be able to hit 10+ win seasons consistantly without Tebow's brother from another mother?
He's got to go 28-8 after three years. 33-8 counting losses that were vacated.

Chizik is 22-5. I can see three losses next year a'la Bama this year. That puts us at 32-8. That puts us at three more official wins, or one less win (one less game) the hard way. Same number of losses either way. I can see LSU plastering our asses to the wall, but that's only one loss. Any two losses between Arkansas, Bammer, Clemson and whoever ends up the East champion. One less loss than that and there's a little less debate. Especially if it's Bama.
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2011, 10:12:59 PM »
He's got to go 28-8 after three years. 33-8 counting losses that were vacated.

Chizik is 22-5. I can see three losses next year a'la Bama this year. That puts us at 32-8. That puts us at three more official wins, or one less win (one less game) the hard way. Same number of losses either way. I can see LSU plastering our asses to the wall, but that's only one loss. Any two losses between Arkansas, Bammer, Clemson and whoever ends up the East champion. One less loss than that and there's a little less debate. Especially if it's Bama.

So then, you are agreeing that if Chiz loses more than 3 games next season, Saban is better?
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2011, 10:16:50 PM »
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2011, 10:35:22 PM »
So then, you are agreeing that if Chiz loses more than 3 games next season, Saban is better?
Nah. I'll count wins. Real, official wins.

6-7 and he's on par with Saban at 28 wins.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 11:25:53 PM »
So, with Newton going pro, an entirely new offensive line, numerous new starters on defense, Fairley probably leaving early, etc, what are the odds of Chizik continuing this trend? Will he be able to hit 10+ win seasons consistantly without Tebow's brother from another mother?

We shall see won't we?  Nobody expected what happened this year.  Recruiting is going well, and we appreciate your concern, but I think we'll be just fine.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 11:30:05 PM »
So, with Newton going pro, an entirely new offensive line, numerous new starters on defense, Fairley probably leaving early, etc, what are the odds of Chizik continuing this trend? Will he be able to hit 10+ win seasons consistantly without Tebow's brother from another mother?
A few thoughts:

1.  Malzahn is staying.

2.  Malzahn made Brandon Cox look like a world beater.

3.  Barrett Trotter would have been our starter this year had Cam not shown up.  He has had two years under Malzahn already, and is obviously not a slouch QB to begin with. 

4.  The Defense will miss Nick, but there are some young kids gonna step up.

5.  I think bammer has a harder time replacing what they are losing than we do.  Not saying we will win the BCSNC next year, but I doubt the season will suck for us.
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2011, 11:38:33 PM »
A few thoughts:

1.  Malzahn is staying.

2.  Malzahn made Brandon Cox look like a world beater.

3.  Barrett Trotter would have been our starter this year had Cam not shown up.  He has had two years under Malzahn already, and is obviously not a slouch QB to begin with. 

4.  The Defense will miss Nick, but there are some young kids gonna step up.

5.  I think bammer has a harder time replacing what they are losing than we do.  Not saying we will win the BCSNC next year, but I doubt the season will suck for us.

I agree. A 9 win season(not incl bowl game) would definitely make me happy
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Re: Saban vs. Chizik
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2011, 11:42:31 PM »
A few thoughts:

1.  Malzahn is staying.

2.  Malzahn made Brandon Cox look like a world beater.

3.  Barrett Trotter would have been our starter this year had Cam not shown up.  He has had two years under Malzahn already, and is obviously not a slouch QB to begin with. 

4.  The Defense will miss Nick, but there are some young kids gonna step up.

5.  I think bammer has a harder time replacing what they are losing than we do.  Not saying we will win the BCSNC next year, but I doubt the season will suck for us.
I believe you mean Chris Todd.  Brandon Cox graduated after the 2007 season.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2011, 09:40:02 AM »
NO, the difference is that some Alabama fans actually think they can play for a title with three loses by winning the SEC Championship which quite honestly has been the playoff game for the NC. The media helps to mindphuk the fans by running that "dominant" tag. Bama will have a QB battle, as will LSU. And we have already learned that Arky's third string is better than it's second and it's fifth string is better than it's fourth.

All I know is I thought we could get to nine, possibly ten wins with Trotter, a returning OL, Bynes, Byrum and some breaks. Today it looks like I would have needed some Elmers and popsicle sticks to make it presentable. I never thought the cover problems would ever be so magnified, we never got the OLB production I think we expected to mesh with Bynes; the safeties played gingerly upon coming back, then were forced to help keep both the OLB's and CB's from getting burned so often. Auburn safeties are always tremendous and these guys get my respect.

Nick Fairley WAS a three tackle / game DT before the 2010 season started or workmanlike. I will never be able to explain the transformation, and have seen none like it before. It's one thing to hone your game but something otherworldly to become the centerpiece of every DC's nightmares and the perfect counter to the villianous Cam, the guy who would not lose.

I think we knew Auburn would run the ball but we had reservations about durability and youth and Cam probably allowed those things to temper a bit around the third game when it became apparent that this offense had it's calling card. We knew that Adams was very reliable and that T-Zac was scary mainly on reverses but had no true deep threat and  mostly inexperience, which brings me to the core of the team, the OL.

After watching this years group of veterans I am convinced that without their stellar play none of this could have been possible. And I can only say that because it was the Bama OL that determined it's fate as well. LSU had a defense but they had to put up some scoring drives and Arky had to give Mallett time for it to basically outscore it's opponents.

Look I have no doubts that this staff (led by Chizik) can put a hard playing team on the field in 2011, especially bringing  in a very good group of freshmen. But realistically I will have to say that with all the gaps to fill, we might resemble a 2010 Clemson or FSU team only with more going for it as CHAMPIONS. That helps along with the fact that the SEC is just tougher, nastier and more competitive than the others.

And we will expect our guys to suit up  knowing the score going in. The staff has remained constant and Grimes might trot out the '66 Green Bay Packer OL ('67 being the champs) and Trotter might click with the run game and Parkey might become a hit but there are just too many what ifs to address to compare with Saban/Bama, Miles/LSU or Petrino/Arky. And I say this because I have no earthly way of knowing what to expect from this defense to next season's invention with possible  early departures and that beleagured bend but don't break moniker that the 2010 unit had. Plus we have a 2011 schedule of tough road games ahead with inexperience.

I think Saban is the best Head Coach in cfb overall. Ohio State fans will swear that the sweater vest is tops and he might be relative to all the ingredients that a position like that calls for with  the ability to adapt to so much constant change where KIDS are the focal point. But that doesn't mean Chizik can't  surpass anyone given the fact that he stated he was building Auburn for the longhaul upon arrival. Something about this man (something intangible) tells me that Auburn is in it's best shape ever and I take a lot of comfort in that as a fan.

The difference for me now as opposed to other years prior is that neither program is suffering or is potentially suffering despite all of the "Auburn's gonna get their's" catcalls. That day will never come for those people. And I'm as confident of that as I am that the sun will set in the west this evening and rise over the plains in east Alabama in the morning.



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