I hate to bring this up but...

[WDE_10]

Everyone has been saying "It's ok they'll just strip the title away in a couple years." I know I shouldn't be so negative after such a great thing happened but, do you think the NCAA will actually strip the title away in a couple years? Sorry for being such a pessimist

[The Prowler]

No.

[djsimp]

The NCAA has already come out and made a revisited statement saying this is over. Sorry that I am too lazy to post the link. Its probably on page 15-20 at this point.

[JR4AU]

The NCAA has already come out and made a revisited statement saying this is over. Sorry that I am too lazy to post the link. Its probably on page 15-20 at this point.

Here's the link: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/december/statement+by+ncaa+president+mark+emmert+on+cam+newton+eligibility

You have to understand how they carefully word this stuff, but let me break down the pertinent language:

One size does not fit all: Differences between eligibility and investigations

Many in the media and public have drawn comparisons between recent high-profile NCAA decisions while ignoring the important differences among the cases. There is a purposeful distinction between determining student-athlete responsibility through an eligibility decision and university culpability through the infractions process. Universities are accountable for rules violations through the infractions process.   

Student-athletes are responsible for rules violations through the eligibility process.

Red language:  Cam Newton's eligibility has been ruled on.  It was not a preliminary ruling, he was ruled ineligible due to an admitted violation that took place during his recruitment to MSU, then reinstated, in large part due to Auburn and the Newtons fully cooperating in the investigation.  He plays for Auburn, NOT MSU.  That's the end of the connection to Auburn in terms of the violation.

Blue Language: Auburn University hasn't even been accused of anything, unless you count fucking sack of shit, loser bammers popping off on the net and talk radio, or the morons the OP is listening to.  Nobody worth killing has accused Auburn of shit, therefore there is no "infractions process" to even take place where Auburn is concerned. 

Translation: THIS SHIT IS DEADER THAN A HAMMER.  The NCAA gives lip service to "it's still an open investigation", but the reality is, there's not even been an accusation made, and the NCAA isn't out LOOKING to find something they don't already know about.  They've had over a year now to look for a money trail, and there is none.  IT'S OVER.  Don't let the fucking bammers ruin your enjoyment...that's their whole agenda.

[djsimp]

Well, I think JR summed that up pretty nicely.

[Snaggletiger]

USCw won their national championship 6 years ago.  Despite all the talk and taking away their championship etc. I don't believe that was ever actually done.  Bush gave the Heisman back but not the same thing.  And all the allegations were proven.

Again, isn't there a distinct difference in the BCS title and what the NCAA recognizes or has jurisdiction over?

[JR4AU]

Well, I think JR summed that up pretty nicely.

Let me go ahead and address the typical bammer response to what I posted, which is: "Well the FBI is investigating Auburn Boosters, and they have wire taps." 

If you have ever dealt with Federal Law Enforcement, you know a few things, one of which is, they don't investigate anybody for a private entity.  They are not the NCAA's lapdog, or an arm of the NCAA.  Second, they don't share shit with other Federal LE Agencies willingly, and they damn sure won't share it with the NCAA.  Third, wire taps are governed by strict rules.  They can't release any of it to the public, and to release any of it to anyone else for any reason, they need a waiver (forget the specific Fed Rule) to do this, and they can only use what is pertinent to their investigations from the wire taps.   Now, had they stumbled on Milton McGregor buying Cam Newton, they certainly could have expanded their investigation to include that, but McGregor was already indicted on violations of law that have NOTHING to do with Auburn, or recruiting, which means that's what they had to indict him on.  And with all that, these wire taps took place at a time either before, or after Newton's recruitment, not during, I just can't recall when.  The only persons the FBI investigated in regard to Newton's recruitment were the folks in Starkville, and the Newtons.  The NCAA investigated the Newtons, and folks in Starkville and in doing so means that both the NCAA and the FBI looked for a money trail and never found one, either where it started or where it ended.  Meaning, it's not there.  Had either discovered one, it likely would have been at the end (unless someone admitted to paying), with Cecil Newton, and tracked back to it's source...had it been to either someone at Auburn or State, you can bet Cam would never have been declared eligible if there was even a hint that money changed hands.   

The bammers can hang their hopes and dreams on the FBI, but they'll be just as disappointed as they were on that Friday after Thanksgiving. 

USCw won their national championship 6 years ago.  Despite all the talk and taking away their championship etc. I don't believe that was ever actually done.  Bush gave the Heisman back but not the same thing.  And all the allegations were proven.

Again, isn't there a distinct difference in the BCS title and what the NCAA recognizes or has jurisdiction over?

Should USCw's appeal fail, they will vacate the 2004 BCS Title according to what I've read.  Honestly, I'm not sure that has happened yet or not.

[Snaggletiger]

I hadn't either.  Heard a sports talk guy saying this morning as he was hammering some "journalist" for writing another smear piece on stripping the title, that if they haven't taken USCw's 6 years later, they're not going to touch Auburn's....especially when they haven't done anything wrong.

[GH2001]

This is more about what our rivals WANT to happen to us. Stark difference in what actually will happen. It's that simple really.

[JR4AU]

This is more about what our rivals WANT to happen to us. Stark difference in what actually will happen. It's that simple really.

In keeping with that thought, let me respond to that, and to what I wrote the way bammers do.  (With an arrogant chuckle) they simply say "You barners are all delusional.  The FBI and NCAA are just waiting to raze Auburn University and make a parking lot out of Lee County." 

Mark my words.  The McGregor Trial starts later this year, and the likes of Shane from Centerpoint will be heard on Finebaum just prior to it saying things like "The Aubs are getting nervous because it's all going to come out in Milton's trial".  Then when they get no satisfaction, they'll default back to "Well it took them 5 years to get USC and Bush, it's coming Aubs".  And, really, until bammer has something of their own to crow about, it will be brought back up for the next few years.  Just the way it is, and the way they are.  They freely count every single one of their NCs as "whole NCs", they all count, and they're all deserved.  Auburn only had a half of one from 1957, and Auburn cheated to get the 2010 BCS Title, and the bammers want it taken away, and in the process, they want AU Football crippled with sanctions, or given the death penalty, despite not one allegation from a source that matters that Auburn did ANYTHING wrong.   

[GH2001]

Where I'm at its more uggers than bama saying that line over and over.....

[JR4AU]

Where I'm at its more uggers than bama saying that line over and over.....

On another board I'm on, that's not even a sports board, but has a group of college FB fans from all programs across the country...you have the ones that really just don't care, and the ones that honestly believe more is coming, and Auburn is going down.  One or two are pretty vocal about it, and as you might expect, also bring up "Dirty Fairley" and now "Dirty Eric Smith" a lot too.   One of the more hateful ones is a corndog. 

[WDE_10]

On another board I'm on, that's not even a sports board, but has a group of college FB fans from all programs across the country...you have the ones that really just don't care, and the ones that honestly believe more is coming, and Auburn is going down.  One or two are pretty vocal about it, and as you might expect, also bring up "Dirty Fairley" and now "Dirty Eric Smith" a lot too.   One of the more hateful ones is a corndog.

People don't seem to understand that one bonehead play doesn't means you're a dirty player

[Tiger Wench]

Where I'm at its more uggers than bama saying that line over and over.....

You don't make friends by whipping people's asses.  I for one will enjoy standing on the pedestal until the inevitable happens and we next lose a game.  Of course, that will happen one day and fine - but until then?

Suck it haters.  We fucking ROCK.