Coach belittle just can't help but get NCAA Violations...

[The Prowler]

Barry Sanders Jr., who is a Junior in HS, "briefly met" with Coach belittle on Wednesday and was told that Mark Ingram is going Pro, that he'll probably announce it this upcoming Friday and that he needs RBs, because Trent will be a Jr. this upcoming season and that he'll be a Senior during Sander's Freshman year.  Thing is, Coaches can't have "meetings" with HS Juniors until on or after July 1st after the prospect's Junior year.

http://college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/26869149

http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/ncaa-recruiting-rules-contact-visits.htm

[Token]

17

[Buzz Killington]

17

Is that year to date, or the month?

[War Eagle!!!]

Barry Sanders Jr., who is a Junior in HS, "briefly met" with Coach belittle on Wednesday and was told that Mark Ingram is going Pro, that he'll probably announce it this upcoming Friday and that he needs RBs, because Trent will be a Jr. this upcoming season and that he'll be a Senior during Sander's Freshman year.  Thing is, Coaches can't have "meetings" with HS Juniors until on or after July 1st after the prospect's Junior year.

http://college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/26869149

http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/ncaa-recruiting-rules-contact-visits.htm

What does "campus" mean in this statement?

You can make unofficial visits to a college campus.
It is also permissible for you to receive a maximum of three complimentary tickets to a college sporting event.
You can talk with college coaches but this must be on campus.

If it means college campus...then I agree, this is bullshit. If it means high school campus...there is nothing wrong here...

[djsimp]

From how I read it, it means college campus during unofficial visits.

[Snaggletiger]

From the way I read it....wait, I didn't read it.

[The Prowler]

It means College Campus.  Coaches aren't allowed to have face to face contact with Juniors off campus, until after their Junior year starting on or after July 1st.  This could result in a secondary violation, which could result in a one or two game suspension of the coach that committed the violation.  Especially when they find out that he was bumping all over these kids from Oklahoma to Florida.

Question who's more pissed, Ingram for having his moment of excitement in announcing that he's going to persue his dreams or Coach belittle for finding out that he got punked by a 16-17 year old?

[No Huddle]

Bump rule?

[Tiger Wench]

CBSSports FINALLY reporting on this...

Hey, remember when class of 2012 recruit Barry Sanders Jr. (yes, that Barry Sanders) told the world that Mark Ingram would be declaring publicly for the draft this week because Nick Saban had told him so? And then Ingram officially declared today and he was right? That was pretty cool, huh?

Maybe a little less cool for Alabama, since according to the same OKBlitz.com website that broke the original Ingram-to-turn-pro story, that conversation qualifies as an NCAA violation :

Such an extended conversation between Saban and Sanders [still a high school junior--ed.] is a potential violation of NCAA Bylaw 13.1.1.1, which states “Off-campus recruiting contacts shall not be made with an individual (or his or her relatives or legal guardians) before July 1 following the completion of his or her junior year in high school."

NCAA Bylaw 13.02.4 defines contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete … during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Any such face-to-face encounter that is prearranged or that takes place on the grounds of the prospective student-athlete’s institution … shall be considered a contact.”

This is the well-known "bump rule," which Saban has already been accused of stretching to its breaking point in the past. Though obviously the NCAA will take its time ruling on the incident one way or the other, the case would appear to be pretty cut-and-dried; the link above includes a photograph of Saban and Sanders having their conversation, and Sanders' comments about Ingram make it clear that, to quote the bylaw, "dialogue occurred in excess of an exchange of a greeting." That compliance officials at both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were willing to go on the record as saying they would want the Tide's compliance department to examine the incident is a strong indication they believe a violation occurred.

Then again, nothing in the murky world of recruiting and recruiting bylaws is official until the NCAA says it is, and Saban has already publicly denied exchanging anything more than a greeting. Even if found guilty, Saban would only have committed a single secondary violation, at worst. Punishments are likely to be minimal regardless.

But if Saban is found guilty, he could be subject to the NCAA's recent decision to make suspensions available as a punitive measure for coaches committing secondary violations, and his reputation as a coach willing to ignore the exact rule he appears to be flaunting here might make him too juicy an example to pass on. (The NCAA could also impose limits on Alabam's recruitment of Sanders Jr., though it's highly debatable how much of an impact those would have in any case.) Don't expect anything to come of this other than a quietly self-reported violation on Alabama's part and the proverbial wrist-slap, if that, but it'll be a story worth following all the same

[djsimp]

Whoops....I didn't mean to bump into to you. Since I'm here, lets talk football.

[The Prowler]

Btw, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State aren't too appreciative of Coach belittle coming into their backyard and knowingly braking the NCAA rule that has his name written all over it.

http://www.okblitz.com/Article.aspx?id=32630

Saban bristled at the new rule, telling the Tuscaloosa News in December that he was “not quite sure” how to feel about the legislation.

“I think it hurts the players when you start suspending coaches, so I’m not sure I’m in agreement,” Saban said. “But I’m not sure that I have a solution, because we do respect the rules and we do want everybody to abide by the rules. If this punishment is what’s going to change someone’s behavior, then I think it’s good. But if it’s not going to change anybody’s behavior, then I don’t really think it’s good.”