Josh:it has just been stated from the beginning that when the court hearings with these 2 thugs are underway, or possibly over then that is when stuff will come out... and until those cases are in the books i'm going to stick to my opinion... just like you have the right to stick to yoursright now, it is obvious you are not going to change your opinion until something comes out that proves wrong doing, and likewise, I'm not going to change my opinion until the NCAA says, we are no long investigating anything and Auburn is innocent... seems fair to mebut of course we have both heard the rumors...just looking at this logically, i mean you have the FBI, SACS, SEC, NCAA invovled... you have a preacher shopping his son around, you have that POS Kenny Rodgers, and then there is AU who ended up with a Kid whose dad DID asked miss state for money... on top of that, AU(that was on probation by SACS just a couple years ago) has Pat Dye who is heavily involved in the AD, that was actually banned from the Auburn campus in 1993 til 1995 for paying players...as well as bobby lowder(go read all the shit he has done while at AU)... and on top of that, Lowder and McGregor are under serious federal indictments and were being staked out by the FBI for the past year or so...you don't think people have a legit reason to be suspicious?9:42amChad: The McGregor stuff was started by that Redfish moron trying to sell books in Hunstville. No one is reporting that but TMZ, who also reported Tupac is living in New Orleans, so...Lowder has no power in Auburn anymoreRane owns Auburn nowJosh:maybe right now, but when this stuff supposedly happened, Lowder was head of finance and head chairman... isn't that correct?is he not on the BOT anymore?
You're right about that, coach.
Josh: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/528661-bobby-lowder-may-be-the-next-logan-young-auburns-trustee-being-probed-by-fedsthat is AU beloved bleacherreport"Now, as Lowder's Colonial Bank collapsed last year, Lowder's power may be waning. While he still is arguably Auburn's most most powerful trustee, that may be a distinction that will only last a short while longer now, too."Chad: That is 100% grade-A nonsense, as are most Bleacher Report blogsread the commentsall of the commenters have more sense than that guyeven though he's inditing Alabama equally in that Josh: well, very possible, i don't like it... but it does say that Lowder is AU most powerful booster stilland it just talks about his involvement with AU, and that is truthand I can tell you, if Alabama's name was brought into this, I would not be blindly defending them... I'd just have my fingers crossed and hope for the bestChad: The bottom line, on the Newton investigation, is that Auburn and Newton have been cleared by the NCAAThe fact is, the violation involved MSU. It does not affect his eligibility at AU. Case in point. An Alabama booster actually paid money for Albert Means to sign with Bama. Unlike the case with Cam, money actually changed hands. Yet, was Means ineligible to ever play football again? Nope. He signed with Memphis and went on to be a 2nd team All-CUSA player. So, if Means was eligible to play for any school besides Bama, why wouldn't Cam be eligible to play for any school besides MSU?This other McGreggor/Lowder crap is a deflection since the Cam stuff is over9:58amJosh: but according to USATODAY, the Cam investigation is not overQ. Does this mean the NCAA investigation is over?A. No. We're talking about two different processes and departments within the NCAA. The reinstatement staff looked specifically at whether the father's actions with Mississippi State we...re enough to raise eligibility problems for Newton.hey i agree the reporting on all this has gotten to be laughableyou've got media outlets going out and saying things that are completely differentbottom line is that after the court hearings with Lowder and McGregor we will know if Auburn is innocent or not... but until then, we do not know...
Chad: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/12/scarbinsky_au_ncaa_get_it_righ.htmlThe ruling isn't total closure, but it's about as close as the NCAA will come in this kind of case.Focus on this statement from NCAA official Kevin Lennon: "Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity."Don't think the NCAA didn't look for that evidence. Hard.Some analysts have seized on the phrase "at this time" to suggest that the NCAA's investigation is still full steam ahead.The NCAA's statement bolstered that notion when it said, "Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete's involvement are determined. The reinstatement process is likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation."Josh: right, unless something else comes out, then you are right10:10amChad: But there's a key point the statement doesn't make. Auburn has not received an official letter of inquiry in this matter. That means it hasn't crossed the line from eligibility issue to infractions case.It's always possible that new information can come to light, but consider the expert opinion of Montgomery attorney Donald Jackson, a frequent opponent of the NCAA in eligibility cases."If there was a big fire here, this ruling wouldn't have happened," Jackson said.Josh: however, any info the FBI might have about it will not come out until after their case is handled and is of no more use to them...and from the stuff i've heard, that is where the info is...with the FBInot the NCAAChad: That's what you get from listening to Bama message boardsWhat in God's Green Earth would the FBI give a rat's ass about a college player's eligibility?Josh: look it don't matter who said what, the cases will happen and then everyone will know, one way or the otherhell no they don'tChad: The FBI is involved to put Kenny Rogers behind barsJosh: no the FBI is involved to put Lowder in prisonand to investigate to find if the whole "Pay for play" thing is more widespread AT MSU.they don't care about a two bit sports repChad: maybe.but that's a completely seperate thingthat has zero to do with paying playersJosh: miss st is in the clear in my opinionChad: Really?you think Auburn is in trouble, but MSU is not?Josh: they don't have any booster under federal indictmentsChad: when this whole thing was over MSU's recruitment of Newton, and Auburn was never under investigation to begin with?Chad: And the NCAA came out and said he's eligible to play at Auburn?Josh: it is all about the political corruption and bank fraudand if the bank fraun includes paying players then yeah, Auburn is in troublewouldn't you agree with thatand don't you think there is at least the possibility of that ... i mean if Lowder is commiting bank fraud, don't you think he'd careless about paying players toohe is a snakeand how can anyone trust himyou can't say he isn't capable of doing something like that, given his track recordChad: He isn't capable financially any moreJosh: maybe not now, but this stuff happened a year ago or morei mean, is it not common sense that if Cecil asked Miss St for money, that he didn't at least ask Auburn for money also?because up until yesterday it was just about the dealings with Miss State, but it looks as though that has been cleared now, and i think that they are now moving on
Can't you just convince him to register him where we can have a public beating?
Put the facebooks down and slowly walk away.
NCAA will work to change bylawsThursday to the backlash that the governing body is allowing Cam Newton to play in the SEC championship game even though his father sought payment for his services."We recognize that many people are outraged at the notion that a parent or anyone else could 'shop around' a student-athlete and there would possibly not be repercussions on the student-athlete's eligibility," Emmert said in a statement on the NCAA's web site.Emmert added that he's committed to "further clarifying and strengthening our recruiting and amateurism rules so they promote appropriate behavior by students, parents, coaches and third parties." He also said the NCAA will "work aggressively with our members to amend our bylaws so that this type of behavior is not a part of intercollegiate athletics."The NCAA ruled Wednesday that the Heisman favorite was unaware of the pay-for-play scheme concocted by his father, Cecil, and the owner of a scouting service. The NCAA declared Newton eligible to play for Auburn (No. 1 BCS, No. 2 AP) Saturday against South Carolina (No. 19 BCS, No. 18 AP).Cecil Newton and Kenny Rogers -- the former Mississippi State player who worked for an agent -- sought money for the quarterback to play for the Bulldogs.George Lawson, the Newton family attorney, said Thursday that Cecil Newton cooperated with the NCAA."Cam's father participated in the investigation truthfully and honestly in terms of what he knew and what he didn't know, regardless of the consequences," Lawson told WSB-TV in Atlanta.As to whether any money changed hands, the attorney said: "Absolutely not."Lawson added that he "would hope" the investigation is over."But if it is not at an end, Cam and his family will continue to participate," he saidWithin the span of two days, the NCAA notified Auburn of violations of amateurism rules, the school declared Newton ineligible, and then the governing body reinstated him, clearing Newton to compete without conditions.The NCAA noted that reinstatement decisions are separate from the enforcement process and usually are "likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation."On its web site Thursday NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach said her staff investigates all types of rules violations."Some of these investigations affect student-athlete eligibility and others do not," Lach explained. "The investigation does not stop with a student-athlete eligibility issue, but school officials must address it as soon as they are aware of the violations."Late Wednesday, USC athletic director Pat Haden told The Los Angeles Times that he was surprised by the NCAA's ruling on Newton.USC was hit with sanctions this summer in the wake of the Reggie Bush investigation."In the Reggie Bush case, when the parent [did] something inappropriate the kid and the school suffered," Haden told The Times.Bush returned the Heisman Trophy and the school was hit with a postseason ban, scholarship reductions and probation after the NCAA found that Bush and his parents accepted extra benefits from agents and sports marketers when Bush was at USC."I was always told the parent is the child. That's what we've been telling our kids," Haden said to the paper. "If the parent does something inappropriate the child suffers the consequences."The NCAA took issue with comparisons made to the case involving Bush.The NCAA said "If a student-athlete does not receive tangible benefits, that is a different situation from a student-athlete or family member who receives cash, housing or other benefits or knowingly competes and is compensated as a professional athlete."Mark Jones, an Indianapolis attorney who works with NCAA-related cases, said the reinstatement committee generally relies on the school's self-report in making decisions involving eligibility issues and doesn't investigate.He said the swift movement on reinstatement is common during an athlete's season."The student-athlete reinstatement staff's job is to evaluate things from the student-athlete's perspective," said Jones, the chair of collegiate sports practice for Ice Miller. "That's very important in analyzing what they're going to do in terms of whether any sanctions might be necessary for the student-athlete."Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs, said on the web site that when the reinstatement staff reviews eligibility cases they review each case based on its own merits and specific facts."During the decision, we must examine a number of factors, including guidelines established by our membership for what conditions should be applied based on the nature and scope of the violation," Lennon said. "We also carefully consider any mitigating factors presented by the university to determine if relief from the guidelines should be provided."Lennon said Wednesday of the Newton case:"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement."The recruiting scandal, pay-for-play investigation may not be over as the NCAA has not closed the case on the Newtons, leaving the door open for future discipline.
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