Finebaum 11/11/10

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:42:36 PM »

Who the hell is Bill Bell?

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:44:45 PM »

Oh ok.

Bill Bell is a booster. He just so happened to go on vacation to Costa Rica last Friday.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #22 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:45:51 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 11, 2010, 04:44:45 PM

Oh ok.

Bill Bell is a booster. He just so happened to go on vacation to Costa Rica last Friday.

The marlin fishing is off the charts down there.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #23 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:48:55 PM »

Bill Bell:

As posted from Killerfrogs (How the fuck TCU got involved I don't know)

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Cam Newton bribe recording

Just called and got details. Bill in Destin, Florida is MissSt donor and has phone recording of Cam Newtons dad saying Auburn agreed to pay $200k but he would go to Miss for only $180. Very detailed conversation about method of payment and 3 installments of $60, first before signing and second on signing. Said he gave tape to NCAA last week after story started breaking. Already had death threats from Auburn fans.

It will be interesting to see how/if this develops. The SEC is pretty good about hiding this kind of stuff

Posted 11/9

djsimp · « **Reply #24 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:51:43 PM »

He also played at MSU

Godfather · « **Reply #25 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:54:23 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 11, 2010, 04:48:55 PM

Bill Bell:

As posted from Killerfrogs (How the fuck TCU got involved I don't know)

Posted 11/9

I call complete bullshit on that....

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #26 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:55:19 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on November 11, 2010, 04:54:23 PM

I call complete bullshit on that....

I do as well.

But it's plausible. I mean, Rogers drops this Bill Bell name today as if Bill Bell was the one going to pay Cam to get him to MSU.

Godfather · « **Reply #27 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:59:05 PM »

What I can't figure out was why was Rogers ever involved.

-Cam was already being recruited by MSU and why use Rogers as the intermediary for money, he doesn't even know any of the coaches. This makes no sense.

djsimp · « **Reply #28 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:00:59 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 11, 2010, 04:48:55 PM

Bill Bell:

As posted from Killerfrogs (How the fuck TCU got involved I don't know)

Posted 11/9

Would this not also put MSU in violation also? Also, if NCAA had this in hand, would not Cam be ruled ineligible to play immediately?

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #29 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:03:07 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on November 11, 2010, 04:59:05 PM

What I can't figure out was why was Rogers ever involved.

-Cam was already being recruited by MSU and why use Rogers as the intermediary for money, he doesn't even know any of the coaches. This makes no sense.

Cecil and Kenny had a relationship when Cam was looking for a junior college. Kenny owns a company that helps kids transferring find the best school for their interests.

Kenny says that Cecil told Kenny that "This time, it's not going to be free."

So Cecil and Kenny discussed this with two coaches, and according to MSU, they immediately dropped the recruitment of Cam Newton.

What just hit me while typing this is that Kenny claims they pitched the offer to MSU on November 27th/28th. But they didn't report it until January when Cam signed with Auburn.

Looks like MSU was the one trying to buy Cam Newton. It would explain why there's no LOI in Auburn unless Auburn is hiding it.

djsimp · « **Reply #30 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:05:24 PM »

Also, MSU still recruited him after the fact.

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #31 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:10:04 PM »

I still think that at the end of the day, MSU is the one in a world of shit.

That speculation about Mullen to Dallas may not be farfetched after all. (see: Carroll, Pete)

I agree that if there was a flat out no question tape recording as discussed, the NCAA would have declared Cam ineligible as soon as they listened to it.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #32 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:13:27 PM »

Is it possible that Cecil Newton went behind Cam Newton's back and did all of this?

Could it be possible that the NCAA and/or the SEC acted in defense of Cam Newton? Perhaps Cam went to the SEC or NCAA himself and claimed to have no control over his father's actions? So they let him off hoping this story would go away, and Miss State is pushing the info to the media?

Just being a homer and thinking out loud.

GH2001 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:18:54 PM »

This is the first time in this entire saga where I'm starting to feel uneasy now....

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #34 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:36:45 PM »

But again... AT WORST... there were discussions with MSU by Rev. Newton.

No money changed hands.

Cam did not go to MSU.

Jacobs and Chiz and whomever else are correct when they say that Cam is ELIGIBLE TO PLAY AT AUBURN. Unless there is proof that someone at Auburn paid for Cam, there is NO ISSUE OF ELIGIBILITY. The NCAA statement says that the university has to suspend an athlete - and Auburn has no grounds to suspend Cam for something THAT DID NOT HAPPEN AT AUBURN.

The NCAA rule says "solicitation by an athlete or someone ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE ATHLETE" - so prove Cam knew.

And another thing - with Kenny Rogers' past, if it comes down to a he said/he said with Rev Newton, who do you believe?

Yoda · « **Reply #35 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:39:06 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 11, 2010, 04:48:55 PM

Bill Bell:

As posted from Killerfrogs (How the fuck TCU got involved I don't know)

Posted 11/9

That's about as reliable a source as Kenny Rogers. Hmmm, TCU is 3rd in the BCS do they want to go to Glendale?

Ya'll need to get a life and quit commenting on this bull shit. Post something of factual importance. This is exactly why this shit is out there to cause a stir up. Reading this board for the last week has been the worst soap opera I have ever seen. It reminds me of a bunch of crying BAMS.

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #36 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:40:32 PM »

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John Bond, the former Mississippi State quarterback and teammate of Rogers who told ESPN.com last week that a man seeking money to sign Cam Newton had approached him, told ESPN.com on Thursday: "My story hasn't changed. I absolutely talked with Kenny Rogers, and there are phone records that will show that." Bond said he's scheduled to meet with the FBI on Tuesday and plans to turn over his phone records and anything else they ask for at that point. He said the FBI reached out to his attorney earlier this week wanting to talk with him about the Newton situation, in particular if kids were being shopped out to colleges. That meeting was originally scheduled for Wednesday, but was postponed by the FBI until next Tuesday.

"Until I speak with the FBI, I'd prefer not to say much more," Bond said.

Then ESPN is lying once again.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #37 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:42:26 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 11, 2010, 05:18:54 PM

This is the first time in this entire saga where I'm starting to feel uneasy now....

Why? I am starting to feel more and more like this is complete bullshit. There are too many different stories for this shit to be true...

JR4AU · « **Reply #38 on:** November 11, 2010, 06:10:52 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 11, 2010, 05:18:54 PM

This is the first time in this entire saga where I'm starting to feel uneasy now....

It's another allegation that Cecil was shopping Cam. Like the one Schad supposedly had.

Bill Bell is an MSU booster.

Now Rogers heard Cecil ask for the money directly, but had to go looking for a money man for him?

NOW Bond finally says "I talked DIRECTLY to Rogers."

Rogers also says No Contact with Auburn, and doesn't know if Auburn paid.

BTW, Kenny Rogers is good friends with Ian Fitzsimmons.

Kenny Rogers lied last week, now "tells the truth" because the FBI is involved, and the phone records are going to show the deal. But no allegation that Cam's dad made any calls, only that he "overheard" him ask the coaches but felt like he had to help get the money. MSU didn't pay, but continued to recruit him through the process.

I'm uneasy, but MSU seems to have some problems coming too.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #39 on:** November 11, 2010, 06:20:37 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on November 11, 2010, 06:10:52 PM

It's another allegation that Cecil was shopping Cam. Like the one Schad supposedly had.

Bill Bell is an MSU booster.

Now Rogers heard Cecil ask for the money directly, but had to go looking for a money man for him?

NOW Bond finally says "I talked DIRECTLY to Rogers."

Rogers also says No Contact with Auburn, and doesn't know if Auburn paid.

BTW, Kenny Rogers is good friends with Ian Fitzsimmons.

Kenny Rogers lied last week, now "tells the truth" because the FBI is involved, and the phone records are going to show the deal. But no allegation that Cam's dad made any calls, only that he "overheard" him ask the coaches but felt like he had to help get the money. MSU didn't pay, but continued to recruit him through the process.

I'm uneasy, but MSU seems to have some problems coming too.

I still don't see why people are NOW uneasy. If you were going to run with a story, why continuously change it? That is what is happening here. This is the same allegation, with a different twist. There is nothing new here. Why is everyone worried about this bullshit?