Return of the Smoke Nazis

[Tarheel]

Yes, the Smoke Nazis are marching again:

http://www.startribune.com/local/16261261.html

I like this innovative idea of trying to get around the smoke ban but, unfortunately, the authorities were not amused by the would-be thespians.

[Jumbo]

I like where there head is at fuck the man

[Saniflush]

Another chapter from the pleasure police.

[GarMan]

Another chapter from the pleasure police.

You just wait 'till Queen Hillary sinks her talons into everything.  "Misery spread equally" will become the standard.

[Tarheel]

You just wait 'till Queen Hillary sinks her talons into everything.  "Misery spread equally" will become the standard.

Scary pictures!   I thought that it was Halloween already!

[Kaos]

Former smoker.  Current officer in the Smoke Nazi SS. 

It happens.

[CCTAU]

I don't like smokers. Used to be one. But I did not light up wherever and whenever I wanted. If the place says no smoking, keep your damn smoke to yourself. Go sit in your car with the windows up. Some redneck bitch lit up at the pall park the other day. A no smoking park. But she decided to stand beside the batting cage with a lit one in her hand and coach the kids. Did she think the kids would be OK because she was outside the fence. I mean chain link stops anything.......

So if you smokers get pissed on, its your own fault. We don't care if you smoke. Just don't share it with us.
As far as raising taxes and all that, bullshit. Just make it so that militant smokers can get their asses whipped without the threat of litigation. I'm sure we could work it out then.

[Saniflush]

As a smoker I try to be considerate of others that I am around.  This is not about smoking indoors or in designated areas.  This is about my right to choose to smoke.  You just go ahead and keep giving up your rights to choose and see where you end up.

[Kaos]

As a smoker I try to be considerate of others that I am around.  This is not about smoking indoors or in designated areas.  This is about my right to choose to smoke.  You just go ahead and keep giving up your rights to choose and see where you end up.

Nobody's saying you can't choose to smoke.  But your right to smoke ends where it infringes on somebody else's right not to.  And since people can't really control the direction of exhaled smoke, that means it's pretty much going to infringe on others unless you're sealed in your car or in your own home. 

[Saniflush]

Nobody's saying you can't choose to smoke.  But your right to smoke ends where it infringes on somebody else's right not to.  And since people can't really control the direction of exhaled smoke, that means it's pretty much going to infringe on others unless you're sealed in your car or in your own home. 

if they choose to go to a bar where there is smoking allowed TFB in my opinion.

[Kaos]

if they choose to go to a bar where there is smoking allowed TFB in my opinion.

Agree there.  Businesses should be able to choose whether they allow smoking or not.  If they do and you go there, shut the fuck up if somebody smokes.  If they don't allow it, shut the fuck up about wanting to smoke. 

Here's a tangent for you, though.  Suppose your neighbor is a cigar smoker.  He likes to go sit on his porch at night and smoke a big, fat cigar.  His property abuts yours and when you try to enjoy an evening on the porch, you're constantly choked by the clouds of smoke that emanates from his property.  Do you have any recourse?  Can you tell Mr. Stogie he can't smoke on his own property? 

[Saniflush]

Agree there.  Businesses should be able to choose whether they allow smoking or not.  If they do and you go there, shut the fuck up if somebody smokes.  If they don't allow it, shut the fuck up about wanting to smoke. 

Here's a tangent for you, though.  Suppose your neighbor is a cigar smoker.  He likes to go sit on his porch at night and smoke a big, fat cigar.  His property abuts yours and when you try to enjoy an evening on the porch, you're constantly choked by the clouds of smoke that emanates from his property.  Do you have any recourse?  Can you tell Mr. Stogie he can't smoke on his own property? 

Can you tell him not to smoke on his own property?  I would say that depends on what state you live in.  I would say it would be common courtesy to speak to him about it and attempt to reach a middle ground.  And he should have enough respect to try to reach middle ground.  The overall problem as I see it is most people on both sides don't want middle ground.  They want absolutes, and those don't exist in life. IMO.

[Tarheel]

Wow!  I didn't realize my initial post would start such an interesting debate...didn't realize that there were militant, anti-smokers here either!  Some of yall need to light up...I mean lighten up.  (If some of yall have kids I can understand not wanting them to be exposed of course.) 

Speaking as that neighbor who does sit on his back porch and smoke cigars I have always tried to be considerate of others at such occasions...especially if they have something going on outside too...none of my neighbors have ever complained though...but I have gotten a compliment or two.  All of the cigar smokers that I know are very considerate of others.

And, I do enjoy to smoke a cigar where cigar and/or cigarette smoking is allowed; I despise those militant, anti-smokers who walk into those same establishments and complain about the smoke (usually nagging old biddies or fags);  especially when they don't have the courage to complain directly to me; but even then I have been considerate most of the time...when asked...but like Saniflush opined...if it is a cigar friendly establishment then TFB as far as I am concerned...I have a right to smoke just as much as they have a right to get the fuck out and go somewhere that is non-smoking...Lord knows there's enough of the latter in Georgia...thanks to the Smoke Nazis that we have in our legislature.

[GarMan]

Pardon me for jumping into this, but I'm not a fan of smoking either.  I find that I am essentially allergic to cigarette smoke, but I do smoke cigars, usually two a day.  Even with that, I don't really consider myself a smoker.  The real issue here has less to do with smoking rights and more to do with private property rights.  If you as a private property restaurant owner chose to allow smoking, which is still a perfectly legal activity, that's your choice.  The government shouldn't have much of a say in this.  The majority of people seem to be missing that point.  As far as you having a "right" to breath clean air, the answer is very simple.  Stay out of establishments that permit smoking.  The government shouldn't force establishments to go non-smoking.  This sort of thing is a threat to everyone. 

I'm not griping about those places that chose to go non-smoking.  That's their choice.  They pay the mortgage or lease.  They pay the bills.  It's completely their choice.  As long as it's their choice, I see no problem in that.  Of course, when I decide not to stop by after work anymore, that's my choice too.  It all works out in the end. 

As for the neighbor situation, do I know you?  I get dirty looks in my neighborhood, but I don't care.  I have a half acre lot, and if I chose to smoke a cigar in my car or on my back porch, it is my choice.  I'm not standing on the border between our yards blowing smoke into your yard, and I can't control the direction of the wind, especially when you're three houses down across the street with your little fuck-trophies using the street as their personal playground.  Now, if you live in an apartment or townhouse neighborhood, I'd suggest that you change your patterns to avoid Mr. Stogie, especially if you're unable to work out an arrangement with him.  You knew, or should have been intelligent enough to realize, that a community like that would be sharing each other's BBQ smoke, cigarette smoke, belches, farts and other gaseous events. 

[Tarheel]

And here's another example of the Smoke Nazis at work in England...but if Hillary gets elected it'll be her Orcs instead of over-zealous council wardens...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article904331.ece

Fortunately the judge saw this lunacy for what it was...

[Kaos]

For the record?  The cigar on the porch scenario was hypothetical.  I have no such neighbor.  My nearest neighbor is over an acre away from me.

[Tarheel]

For the record?  The cigar on the porch scenario was hypothetical.  I have no such neighbor.  My nearest neighbor is over an acre away from me.

So noted.

[DnATL]

My nearest neighbor is over an acre away from me.

Your use of an area unit to measure linear distance disturbs me as an engineer, but the pictures you post make up for it........
(er, as-in make up for your misuse, not make up for me being an engineer)

[GarMan]

For the record?  The cigar on the porch scenario was hypothetical.  I have no such neighbor.  My nearest neighbor is over an acre away from me.

Just in case you hypothetically were my neighbor, I still don't care.  In fact, I'm gonna light up one of my nastiest smelling but tastiest stogies right now, drive around the neighborhood with the windows open and then sit on my back porch for the next hour as I finish it off.  Good times...

[CCTAU]

I do not care if you smoke, just follow the rules. A youth athletic complex with a no-smoking policy is not the place for smokers to light up. Yet they do.

I like the way Prattville did it a few years ago. The city gave them a one-time choice. Smoke, or no smoke. Post it outside and you cannot change unless the business changes hands. This way anyone who visits knows the deal. If it is a smoking place, then I will not bitch if someone lights up. But conversely, don't try to smoke in a non-smoking joint. And then when I tell you to put it out, don't look at me like you want your ass whipped. We both know the deal.