Trotter, Green officially get promoted

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

It's just my opinion is all.  It's strange.  I played too....not in college.  I coach too...not in college.  WE played college ball.  But regardless...I had my opinion on the matter before he chimed in, and I'll stay with it.  It is just an opinion, not a fight to convince you or anyone else, even though you're wrong   , or at the very least simply looking for a postive spin on what appears to be a less than ideal situation.   Here's hoping Greene is a monster at RT.

I think my positive spin, as you call it, might be simply based more on common sense, rather than creating a divide where there probably isn't one.  That's where we differ.  I don't understand where you create a chemistry issue out of a kid that worked his ass off to simply win a position on a football team.  I don't think the JUCO or other deals have anything to do with any of this. 
 

That was after Burns had proved he wasn't the guy and had done so in games AFTER taking over for Todd, after a failed season,  after a coaching change...after lots of changes...his initial arrival on campus wasn't welcome by the players because at the time they felt is was Kodi's job.  And I suspect, no, I KNOW that, along with many other things factored in heavily to 2008.  In 2009 the job was opened to all comers...Todd won it as opposed to being brought in to compete with a guy that everyone thought had waited his turn for it.   


YOU come on if you think they're the same thing!

I think it became an issue because of losing, and coaches losing control.  I think there was an overall lack of confidence, and that lead to the bad chemistry.  Not simply because of Todd vs. Kodi Burns.  I won't deny there was some tension, but at that point, neither one was doing a bang up job to earn the position, and the coaches leading up to literally even past the first introduction of the starting lineups before letting a starter run onto the field, was the worst part.  Bad all around. 

This current situation, that you're trying to manufacture, is NOTHING like what you're making it out to be.  Certainly nothing like the 2008 debacle.

[Snaggletiger]

Hmmm, you think Chris Todd's arrival on campus doesn't bolster my "team chemistry" argument?  Were you sleeping or drunk through the 2008 season?

Hmmm...does nothing for it at all.  I would have to ask the same sleeping or drunk question of you if you think Chris Todd and team chemistry because of him had anything to do with 08'.  08' was about Tommy Tuberville going full on tard with his Franklin experiment.  It was about Tony Franklin having all of our linemen drop weight and having guys like Lee Ziemba playing at 270 pounds. It was about Tuberville's marriage going south and him not having any interest in corching.  It was about the BBQ boys. It was about firing your offensive coordinator in mid season.  It was about recruiting a QB, Kodi Burns, who had no business, let alone the ability to play QB in this league. 

Granted, the team chemistry theory could be a factor if the only issue on the ball club was handing the reigns to a JC transfer at a high profile position like QB or RB.  However, I doubt there's one soul on the entire squad that gives a shit about a long time team mate beating out a JC transfer for a spot on the O-line.

[JR4AU]

I think my positive spin, as you call it, might be simply based more on common sense, rather than creating a divide where there probably isn't one.  That's where we differ.  I don't understand where you create a chemistry issue out of a kid that worked his ass off to simply win a position on a football team.  I don't think the JUCO or other deals have anything to do with any of this. 
 
I think it became an issue because of losing, and coaches losing control.  I think there was an overall lack of confidence, and that lead to the bad chemistry.  Not simply because of Todd vs. Kodi Burns.  I won't deny there was some tension, but at that point, neither one was doing a bang up job to earn the position, and the coaches leading up to literally even past the first introduction of the starting lineups before letting a starter run onto the field, was the worst part.  Bad all around. 

This current situation, that you're trying to manufacture, is NOTHING like what you're making it out to be.  Certainly nothing like the 2008 debacle.

I'm not saying there is a divide or chemistry issue.  I'm saying that these Jucos were brought in for the right reasons (namely nobody that was qualified for the job), and suddenly AJ Greene pops up out of nowhere...as of 3 weeks ago not even on the depth chart...to winning the job.  It's not a knock on Greene per se, it's a knock on the guys who were brought in for the job, and couldn't keep the job despite the fact they werr basically given the job.  To the end that it might have made AJ Greene step up...I agree somewhat, but still think he "won it" by default.  All the signs point to that from what I see. 

Hmmm...does nothing for it at all.  I would have to ask the same sleeping or drunk question of you if you think Chris Todd and team chemistry because of him had anything to do with 08'.  08' was about Tommy Tuberville going full on tard with his Franklin experiment.  It was about Tony Franklin having all of our linemen drop weight and having guys like Lee Ziemba playing at 270 pounds. It was about Tuberville's marriage going south and him not having any interest in corching.  It was about the BBQ boys. It was about firing your offensive coordinator in mid season.  It was about recruiting a QB, Kodi Burns, who had no business, let alone the ability to play QB in this league. 

Granted, the team chemistry theory could be a factor if the only issue on the ball club was handing the reigns to a JC transfer at a high profile position like QB or RB.  However, I doubt there's one soul on the entire squad that gives a shit about a long time team mate beating out a JC transfer for a spot on the O-line.

I didn't suggest it caused the 2008 fiasco...it was part of it...and it was there.  It completely validates my argument, despite the other issues, and despite what eventually transpired at the QB position.  At the time, bringing Todd in caused problems on the team. 

[JR4AU]

snaggle...chopper...

The Todd thing, the whole 2008 thing is irrelevant now.  Sorry I argued it. 

As for Greene, I hope for the best...it's simply a bit worrisome that these other guys who were brought in didn't manage to keep the job that was basically handed to them.  Nothing sinister about it all...just concerning AT THIS POINT.  Nothing more.  Not going all Kaos on you...just some observations and concerns, that others share, and you don't.  Hopefully not a big deal. 

 

[War Eagle!!!]

I meant on the RT and TE...assuming they're playing in a system where the TE is playing close to the T (which they don't in Malzahn's)...but like in the I for instance...they either are often double teaming the same guy, or having to block LBs in space.  I know they're not the same position, and I know that being the pin on a double team is different from being the post,  but they do have to understand each other's job's in some offenses, and in some cases in offenses where they don't use the TE to catch the ball, they convert a small tackle to play there.  Didn't mean to suggest they are the same postion with the exact same duties, but the transition isn't completely foriegn for a guy that's been a BLOCKING TE.   

Again, I completely disagree. In my opinion, the TE has more of the same skill set block as a guard. Double teams and sealing off a LB in the runs. In most passing plays, the TE is going out on a route.

As for the OT, if it's a running play, depending on the defense, they are typically head up with the DE. And during a pass play, they 9 times out of 10 go directly 1-1 against a fast DE who is either trying to get around the end and rush the passer, bull rush the OT and rush the passer, or fake outside and rush the passer...either way, they are typically on their own unless the DE shades inside or takes an inside route.

Either way, these positions blocking techniques are no way the same.

[Snaggletiger]

Again, I completely disagree. In my opinion, the TE has more of the same skill set block as a guard. Double teams and sealing off a LB in the runs. In most passing plays, the TE is going out on a route.

As for the OT, if it's a running play, depending on the defense, they are typically head up with the DE. And during a pass play, they 9 times out of 10 go directly 1-1 against a fast DE who is either trying to get around the end and rush the passer, bull rush the OT and rush the passer, or fake outside and rush the passer...either way, they are typically on their own unless the DE shades inside or takes an inside route.

Either way, these positions blocking techniques are no way the same.

So you're saying A.J. Greene will be a consensus All-SEC tackle?  Sweeeet.

[jmar]

I think it's very possible that there is a 2a, 2b situation at both QB and RT behind Newton and Greene with Trotter/Caudle and Gayden/Mosely.

I recall #2's being passed over for the next guy during a game on many occaisions when someone gets nicked up, cramps etc. for whatever reason including at QB.

This staff is playing it's best and maybe Greene's familiarity with what is expected on every down gives Grimes a certain level of comfort, the other four starters as well.

I thought Chaz Ramsey and Tyronne Green did a nice job as a guard tandem during their time at AU even though Green got tossed around back and forth on defense before he found his place and actually did a very good job especially on sweeps and cut-backs. Hopefully that kind of indecision which leads to stunting a kid's progression is a thing of the past.

[djsimp]

I think it's very possible that there is a 2a, 2b situation at both QB and RT behind Newton and Greene with Trotter/Caudle and Gayden/Mosely.

I recall #2's being passed over for the next guy during a game on many occaisions when someone gets nicked up, cramps etc. for whatever reason including at QB.

This staff is playing it's best and maybe Greene's familiarity with what is expected on every down gives Grimes a certain level of comfort, the other four starters as well.

I thought Chaz Ramsey and Tyronne Green did a nice job as a guard tandem during their time at AU even though Green got tossed around back and forth on defense before he found his place and actually did a very good job especially on sweeps and cut-backs. Hopefully that kind of indecision which leads to stunting a kid's progression is a thing of the past.

I think you may be on to something to something here jmar.

[Snaggletiger]

Ooorrr...maybe Greene is kicking everyone's ass in practice and scrimmages.

Just sayin'....

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Ooorrr...maybe Greene is kicking everyone's ass in practice and scrimmages.

Just sayin'....

It CANNNN'TT be THAT simple.  Can it?

[JR4AU]

Ooorrr...maybe Greene is kicking everyone's ass in practice and scrimmages.

Just sayin'....

I'm sure that's it. 

Again, I completely disagree. In my opinion, the TE has more of the same skill set block as a guard. Double teams and sealing off a LB in the runs. In most passing plays, the TE is going out on a route.

As for the OT, if it's a running play, depending on the defense, they are typically head up with the DE. And during a pass play, they 9 times out of 10 go directly 1-1 against a fast DE who is either trying to get around the end and rush the passer, bull rush the OT and rush the passer, or fake outside and rush the passer...either way, they are typically on their own unless the DE shades inside or takes an inside route.

Either way, these positions blocking techniques are no way the same.

I'll defer to you then.  At any rate, it's not a massively great transition.  Andrew McCain did it nicely. 
 

[jmar]

"Andrew McCain did it nicely."  A TE/DE at Pell City High

Another guy that was brought in by Tubs that was seen more as defensive help, labored on that side of the ball one season at DT, was brought in on big packages at TE the following season and then finally settled at OT before opening game his last year. That's what I'm talking about. All of the shuffling!

[The Prowler]

"Andrew McCain did it nicely."  A TE/DE at Pell City High

Another guy that was brought in by Tubs that was seen more as defensive help, labored on that side of the ball one season at DT, was brought in on big packages at TE the following season and then finally settled at OT before opening game his last year. That's what I'm talking about. All of the shuffling!

Andrew McCain was a DE at Briarwood HS, he dabbled in playing TE...decent hands.  Auburn recruited him as a TE, because he had decent hands and had good size, but he was third string TE behind my cousin and the Dial kid that went to SPuat.  His first year on campus, he had no clue about what position he'd play....DE, DT (he would've had to grow into that), TE (good blocking TE).  When he officially went over to the offensive side, I said that he'd be a better Tackle than a TE, just put some good weight on him.