boartitz, resident hog fans, et al...

[JR4AU]

On another site I post on (not a football site)...there's a hog fan or 3.  In a thread concerning Masoli, and Nutt, etc...it devolved in to several off topic discussions, one of which is the Ark is on par with Auburn debte, along with the normal hog fan Nutt vitrihol.   In trying to pimp Ark vs Aub using history, this guy posts Ark's 13 Conference Championships, and 3 SECW "titles".  Not noting for the unwashed masses that they were SWC Championships, 6 of which were shared BTW, and comparing that number to Auburn's 10 SEC Championships.  When I called him on it, he popped of with some bullshit about the SWC in it's hay day being better than the SEC.  All the other Nutt, or Ark vs Auburn things aside that we've beat to death, please tell me y'all don't also harbor the notion that the old 8/9 team SWC, including the like of Texas Tech (then not now obviously), Rice, Baylor, TCU, SMU, and late comer Houston were the equal, ever, EVER at any given time.  Granted, each of those teams had 15 minutes of fame here or there, but please tell me that isn't something Ark fans hang their hats on!  The old SWC was a 3 team league, Ark being #3.  Texas had 3x the number of outright SWC championships (21) that Ark did, and TA&M had 2x as many. (15) 

[Snaggletiger]

Got a buddy who is a huge ACC guy and constantly trying to compare the two conferences.  He hits me one day with a printout showing how many football NC's the ACC has compared to the SEC.  I was like, Dude, you can't claim Miami's championships they won 50 years before they joined your wack ass conference.  Without that, you have approximately 1and 1/2.

[boartitz]

I guess one way to investigate this would be to go back and compare head to head records of SWC vs SEC teams. Bowl games and the occasional OOC matchups.
The SEC is strong now. Maybe as strong as I can remember.
Back in the SWC days, the SEC could have been viewed as a 3 team league also. Alabama, Tennessee and a rotation for number 3, usually between yall and Georgia. Florida didn't amount to anything until Spurrier got there. Ole Miss never had much since Vaught left. LSU was middle of the pack until Saban got there. I used to listen to their games as a kid. My Pop was friends with Cholly Mac. Mississippi State and Vandy have never really been contenders.
The top teams from both conferences played in bowl games a good bit back in the day. That would be a good project for you to look up the records.

[eagleair89]

, and comparing that number to Auburn's 10 SEC Championships. 

Maybe I am misreading your post, but where do the 10 SEC Titles come from?

1957
1983
1987
1988 (shared w/ LSU)
1989 (shared w/ uat & Tennessee)
2004

Are you counting the old SIAA and Southern Conference Championships?

1913 SIAA
1914 SIAA
1919 SIAA
1932 Southern Conference

just wondering

WAR EAGLE

[Snaggletiger]

I'd love to count the undefeated 93' team as an SEC championship.  Can't...but I'd like to.

[eagleair89]

I'd love to count the undefeated 93' team as an SEC championship.  Can't...but I'd like to.

me too........will just have to be content with Best in The SEC.

also, ask a player on the 1972 team:  Who won the conference that year?   

WAR EAGLE

[GH2001]

I guess one way to investigate this would be to go back and compare head to head records of SWC vs SEC teams. Bowl games and the occasional OOC matchups.
The SEC is strong now. Maybe as strong as I can remember.
Back in the SWC days, the SEC could have been viewed as a 3 team league also. Alabama, Tennessee and a rotation for number 3, usually between yall and Georgia. Florida didn't amount to anything until Spurrier got there. Ole Miss never had much since Vaught left. LSU was middle of the pack until Saban got there. I used to listen to their games as a kid. My Pop was friends with Cholly Mac. Mississippi State and Vandy have never really been contenders.
The top teams from both conferences played in bowl games a good bit back in the day. That would be a good project for you to look up the records.

Why not just compare head to head, all time wins, Win % and all time wins vs Top 25.

[JR4AU]

Maybe I am misreading your post, but where do the 10 SEC Titles come from?

1957
1983
1987
1988 (shared w/ LSU)
1989 (shared w/ uat & Tennessee)
2004

Are you counting the old SIAA and Southern Conference Championships?

1913 SIAA
1914 SIAA
1919 SIAA
1932 Southern Conference

just wondering

WAR EAGLE

I wasn't doing the counting.  I used the numbers posted by the Ark. fan I was debating.  I didn't really pay attention at the time, but he was probably using Wikipedia numbers of "conference championships" is all I can figure.  Your list is correct. 

Titz, it aint worth the effort.  I was curious.  Nothing more.

[eagleair89]

I used the numbers posted by the Ark. fan I was debating. 

and that explains that

 

WAR EAGLE

[boartitz]

I just learned of this bit of information.
Mississippi was SEC champions in 1954. Who was their only conference loss to?

[Saniflush]

I just learned of this bit of information.
Mississippi was SEC champions in 1954. Who was their only conference loss to?

The jelly school.

[boartitz]

The jelly school.

no

[eagleair89]

1954
Arkansas 6 Ole Miss 0
War Memorial Stadium, Little Rock

Bowden Wyatt was the HC for the pigs.....he would leave after the '54 season to coach the UT Volunteers

WAR EAGLE

[boartitz]

1954
Arkansas 6 Ole Miss 0
War Memorial Stadium, Little Rock

Bowden Wyatt was the HC for the pigs.....he would leave after the '54 season to coach the UT Volunteers

WAR EAGLE

Right.




While researching for the next SEC Football StatHistory, I found in the book simply titled, "SEC" (published before the 1979 season), what was called "Appointed Conference Games [page 229]."



Over the course of six seasons: 1954-58-65-66-67-68 and 16 games, members of the Southeastern Conference played such "appointed conference games" -- that were counted as conference games.


 


From the book: "While the SEC rule requiring six football games with member schools was in effect some 16 games with outside schools were appointed to serve as conference games to avoid a violation for the members. The rule was negated in 1969."



While above statement provided the bases for the "Appointed Conference Games," I wanted to know why -- wouldn't you?



So, I e-mailed my friend Bo Carter, now with the National Football Foundation, who used to work first as assistant and then SID at Mississippi State, between 1974-85. (And proud graduate of Vanderbilt.)




His returned e-mail said: "The appointed games occurred when the ACC broke from the Southern Conference in the 1950s and caused broken contracts (because of scheduling of additional ACC games) and later when Georgia Tech and Tulane left the SEC in 1966."



Below, 1st-N-Goal will list the SEC's "Appointed Conference Games" by seasons and scores (SEC team's tally is listed first); then its conference record and finish for that season.



◦1954 Ole Miss vs Arkansas, 0-6 (5-1-0; conference champs)

[GH2001]

Its all good now titz...you're part of the SEC and were glad to have Arky. Except for the part where the Hogs wear AU out every other year to the tune of a blowout....You can stop the blowouts any season now if you want.

[Saniflush]

Right.

WRONG...


You asked who their only CONFERENCE loss to. 

Since the Razorbacks did not join the SEC till 1992 then you must have actually meant Kentucky, They are the only conference they lost in '54 or '55.

Just sayin'.

[JR4AU]

WRONG...


You asked who their only CONFERENCE loss to. 

Since the Razorbacks did not join the SEC till 1992 then you must have actually meant Kentucky, They are the only conference they lost in '54 or '55.

Just sayin'.

The SEC declared it a conference game.  It was technically a conference loss.

[Saniflush]

The SEC declared it a conference game.  It was technically a conference loss.

Why the fuck would they do that?

[JR4AU]

Why the fuck would they do that?

titz posted it for you. 

[Saniflush]

I barely read the shit I post.

Make it fast.  And sexy.