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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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I guess it's just a generational thing.  I never gave two shoots on a sandwich about Kobe as a basketball player.  

He was a pale imitation of Jordan. IMO he lived in Shaq's shadow.  I thought he was a decent basketball player I guess, but he didn't really resonate for me.  You ask me to start listing the greatest players in NBA history and I'm sifting through Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Dr. J, Wilt, Kareem, (probly) Shaq and others I can't remember off the top of my head way before I get to Kobe.  

From everything I saw he recovered from his "no means no, but I got money" moment, saved his marriage and was a stand-up, straight up guy ever since.  I give him credit for that.  A lot, actually. Few leopards change their spots and he seems to be one of those rare instances where a man lived and learned.  I respect that. 

Hate it for his wife and his surviving children.  Be hard to get through that.  
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I guess it's just a generational thing.  I never gave two shoots on a sandwich about Kobe as a basketball player. 

He was a pale imitation of Jordan. IMO he lived in Shaq's shadow.  I thought he was a decent basketball player I guess, but he didn't really resonate for me.  You ask me to start listing the greatest players in NBA history and I'm sifting through Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Dr. J, Wilt, Kareem, (probly) Shaq and others I can't remember off the top of my head way before I get to Kobe. 

From everything I saw he recovered from his "no means no, but I got money" moment, saved his marriage and was a stand-up, straight up guy ever since.  I give him credit for that.  A lot, actually. Few leopards change their spots and he seems to be one of those rare instances where a man lived and learned.  I respect that.

Hate it for his wife and his surviving children.  Be hard to get through that. 
Agree. I didn’t like it at the time. Since then he really grew on me a lot. Conducted himself very well after retirement. Hell of an athlete too. And as bad as this one today, if this had happened to Shaq? I’d be completely devastated. He and Barkley are right there with MJ as my favorites all time. Hard not to like Shaq. 
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Took the woke scolds all of about 30 minutes after the news broke to remind everyone Kobe should have been executed for accused sexual assault 17 years ago. :rolleyes:  TF is wrong with these people?!?

Also, Kobe and Jordan:

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Here's my thoughts.  It is very tragic and sad. He was younger than me and his poor daughter was only 13.  Not to sound callous though but my reaction yesterday was oh that horrible and that was it.  People young and old die every day and they are all equally tragic.

I am much more concerned about the Greene family and their true tragedy then a millionaire who was in a twirly bird that crashed.
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Took the woke scolds all of about 30 minutes after the news broke to remind everyone Kobe should have been executed for accused sexual assault 17 years ago. :rolleyes:  TF is wrong with these people?!?

Also, Kobe and Jordan:


that chick got flamed hard and since has been suspended.  

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Huge star.passed.  Hate that and very unfortunate, especially because of the 13 year old.  But okay ESPN, you're apparently going for 48 hours solid of non stop coverage.
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This is tragic and he was a great player.

But if they were playing on a court in Baldwin county, there is no way he would’ve ever beat kaos one on one.
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The families affected by this crash is sad. 
Two young girls. One died with both parents and the other died with her father. The children left behind are going to have a rough go. 
Not to mention the coach of the girls team. The other teammates will need a lot time also. 

That being said, when are rich people gonna learn that helicopters and poor weather do not mix?

Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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This is tragic and he was a great player.

But if they were playing on a court in Baldwin county, there is no way he would’ve ever beat kaos one on one.
I would have gone all vanilla thunder on him.  

Seriously though.  Like GF said, one is no greater than another.  He was good at bouncing a big orange ball.  

He was a devoted father.  So are many others. 
He was a failed and redeemed husband. He’s not alone.  

What he was NOT is the word I’ve heard thrown about indiscriminately today: hero.  

I made this same case when Dale Earnhardt stupidly died and every redneck coast to coast bawled “he wuz mah he-he-he-heeeeerooooww”. 

We have lost the concept of heroism.   He was a good basketball player.  He didn’t deal drugs or kill anybody that we know of.  He only possibly raped one person. That’s a long ass fudgeing way from heroism.  

Not an hour ago I passed a billboard in Baldwin County Alabama with his photo and the word Legend on it.  Closer. Limited Legend perhaps.  But why do we need a billboard here? Sheesh. 
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Well, Mark Cuban has led the way. The Mavericks will be retiring Kobe's number....
Get in line.
Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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Well, Mark Cuban has led the way. The Mavericks will be retiring Kobe's number....
Get in line.
That's stupid.  Just stupid.  He didn't break the color barrier like Jackie Robinson, or completely change the game, while breaking every single offensive record like Gretzky.

My take, and I agree 100% with GF.  Sad that it happened.  Wasn't a fan of the Lakers, but I like Shaq.  Once Shaq left LA, I rooted against the Lakers.

I think the hardest hit for me was hearing him talk about his daughter and the game, since he sounds just like myself and the other basketball dad's on my daughter's team.  I think CCTAU mentioned the other players, and that's where my head is at, too.  I couldn't imagine if 3 girls from my daughters team died in an accident.  As close as she's become to the girls on her team?  She'd be devastated.


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Well, Mark Cuban has led the way. The Mavericks will be retiring Kobe's number....
Get in line.
That's fine.  That's within the context of the sport he played and in recognition of his contributions on the court.  

Same with retiring Jackie Robinson's 42 across the board in baseball.  It's specific to the sport. 

If Drew Brees had been killed and the NFL wanted to retire #9 I don't see anything wrong with that.  Now if that Culled Dumpinground asshole had been the one who died and the NFL tried to do something to honor THAT?  Different story.  

He wasn't killed stupidly and he didn't make stupid political protests and statements that demean himself and the sport (fudgeing LeBron) so retire his number.  Retire it across the league if you think he was that big a deal (I don't, but I don't care much for the NBA anyway).  

Where I'd start to have a problem would be if other sports followed suit.  If the Braves or the Broncos suddenly said no other player could ever wear 24 in honor of Kobe?  Yeah, that's gonna piss me off. 

Or if the City of Los Angeles, the State of California or the federal government started building statues to the guy and/or declaring holidays to celebrate his life.  I'd have a problem there too. 
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The only other team to retire Jordan’s jersey was the Heat. And that was dumb as hell too.
This is just Cuban with more of his virtue signaling.
Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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That's fine.  That's within the context of the sport he played and in recognition of his contributions on the court. 

Same with retiring Jackie Robinson's 42 across the board in baseball.  It's specific to the sport. 

If Drew Brees had been killed and the NFL wanted to retire #9 I don't see anything wrong with that.  Now if that Culled Dumpinground asshole had been the one who died and the NFL tried to do something to honor THAT?  Different story. 

He wasn't killed stupidly and he didn't make stupid political protests and statements that demean himself and the sport (fudgeing LeBron) so retire his number.  Retire it across the league if you think he was that big a deal (I don't, but I don't care much for the NBA anyway). 

Where I'd start to have a problem would be if other sports followed suit.  If the Braves or the Broncos suddenly said no other player could ever wear 24 in honor of Kobe?  Yeah, that's gonna piss me off.

Or if the City of Los Angeles, the State of California or the federal government started building statues to the guy and/or declaring holidays to celebrate his life.  I'd have a problem there too.


Only part I disagree with you on is his level of play on the court. He was tremendous. He never had the physical gift that Lebron, Kareem or Wilt had, in just pure size, stature, muscle volume....He was 6'4ish 196 out of HS. MJ was about the same. But Kobe could leap out of the gym. He could hit top end speeds few could. He could change directions on a dime. And he could shoot lights out. His step back jumper was very similar to MJ's. 

He ushered in the era of fast paced, athletic play as the norm. MJ largely stood out in his era because he operated at a different speed than the NBA had ever seen and amongst his peers. Kobe (and to a lesser degree Iverson) changed the entire game in relation to this. It made the league demand more athleticism and speed. You have uber athletic guys now - albeit not as fundamental. 

He was also the bridge from MJ to LJ/KD. I didn't always like Kobe personally but it was hard to deny his impact on the game. 5 rings/18 all star games. Much like Ken Griffey Jr - he probably has most of the all time records IF NOT for a lot of injuries. 

But I do like how he bounced back from the personal issues (allegation and cheating) and became more a model dad to his kids. Never had any issues from that point on. As you also said, not near the annoying little bitch that LJ has become.

I don't think his death is anymore important than anyone else's death but its going to get more attention. He is super famous. Thats how it goes. Thats nothing new. 
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I had this conversation with my old man yesterday.  People are freaking out, crying, memorials all over the place and yet, people are blind (as I once was) to the thousands of children dying everyday from cancer.  GF thank you!!

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The reactions to Kobe's death are over the top.  I turned on the tubes this morning and both ESPN's were still non-stop coverage.  "My last interview with Kobe...."  "Kobe meant so much to so many....". 

When I saw the news the other morning, I admit there was a "Wow" factor.  The guy was a huge star in his own right and when someone like that passes, especially at an early age, relatively speaking, there's a natural curiosity to know what happened and yes, hear some of the things people thought and said about him. 

I get it to a point.  Great athletes, musicians, even actors have an effect on our lives, most often in a positive way.  We remember the great moments in sports, and the music or performances that moved us.  So, when one of them passes, it's something that hits home a little and we pay attention.  But there comes a point when it does go over the top and borders on idol worship.  I addition, it cheapens the loss those whose deaths weren't any less impactful to family and friends.

Obviously, there are those who fight and lose courageous battles with diseases every day.  Some are lost in the line of duty, both in the military and here at home wearing the blue.  There were 8 other people on that helicopter who lost their lives, a couple of whom were college coaches.  Did they have any less actual impact on the lives of the student athletes they coached than a multi-millionaire who was great at basketball? 

It's fine to recognize the man and pay tribute.  ESPN is about entertainment and he was one of their top performers for a lot of years.  But keep it in perspective and don't put his death in the national tragedy category.   
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Obviously, there are those who fight and lose courageous battles with diseases every day.  Some are lost in the line of duty, both in the military and here at home wearing the blue.  There were 8 other people on that helicopter who lost their lives, a couple of whom were college coaches.  Did they have any less actual impact on the lives of the student athletes they coached than a multi-millionaire who was great at basketball?

It's fine to recognize the man and pay tribute.  ESPN is about entertainment and he was one of their top performers for a lot of years.  But keep it in perspective and don't put his death in the national tragedy category. 


Grown men and women anchoring sportscasts should not be sobbing.  No matter how hot they are. 
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I think we can all agree that if Gus would just throw to the TE over the middle more, everything would seem better. 
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I think we can all agree that if Gus would just throw to the TE over the middle more, everything would seem better.
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