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Title: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 05, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
Exactly when?  I mean, no one is clear. 

I hear it's the end of summer, but EXACTLY WHEN?  I NEED MY BREAKING BAD. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 05, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
I looked at this last week because I want to watch it so bad. I couldn't find anything. I know they started taping in January and all I saw was "Airing Summer 2011".

This show kicks ass...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Jumbo on April 05, 2011, 04:33:48 PM
Never watched one episode.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on April 05, 2011, 09:03:13 PM
Never watched one episode.

You need to watch the first three seasons...stat.

I think I heard it was going to start airing in July.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: chinook on April 06, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 18, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
Intense.

Holy shoot, Gus is a bad man.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 18, 2011, 11:51:56 AM
You need to watch the first three seasons...stat.

I think I heard it was going to start airing in July.
I want to watch this show pronto. Haven't seen an episode yet. Is it on teh Netflix?

It looks quality which there is little of on TV since Uncle Tony left the diner. I also would like to check out Boardwalk Empire with Steve Buschemi. Anyone seen any of that one?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 18, 2011, 02:32:56 PM
Intense.

Holy shoot, Gus is a bad man.

I don't know which was more intense - that scene from last night or Hank in the parking lot. 

Great episode.

When it started, I was worried that the show would start losing its ability to surprise me.  I thought I was desensitized to the craziness of Walt's life.

Vince is a genius.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 18, 2011, 03:08:59 PM
So I watched a couple of shows from the past to get the mood. 

And I watched last night hoping for greatness. 

What I got? 

A big ball of meh. 

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on July 18, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
What do you think Gus' next play is? No way he let's this slide. What about the notes?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 18, 2011, 04:12:17 PM
What do you think Gus' next play is? No way he let's this slide. What about the notes?

He'll probably get gobbled up by the wigwoms and the zipzorps.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 18, 2011, 04:42:07 PM
What do you think Gus' next play is? No way he let's this slide. What about the notes?

I'm thinking Gale gets pinned as Heisenberg, which leads to Hank getting back involved.  Hank will be the one to recognize it's not the right guy, and we'll see Hank in a wheelchair trying to chase down the real dealer. 

But then again, this show is great because it's unpredictable. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 18, 2011, 09:22:47 PM
So I watched a couple of shows from the past to get the mood. 

And I watched last night hoping for greatness. 

What I got? 

A big ball of meh.

I tossed aside a few shootty remarks about your legendary bad taste in art because I love this show and so should everyone else.

Did you watch a few random episodes because you'd never watched the entire series or are you a watcher, but just wanted to get into the groove?

If the former, then you couldn't understand all the nuance and character development going on in that episode.  If the latter, then you're just a colossal dipshoot who didn't get what VG was doing with his characters.

Here's what I got from this episode:

1) We saw that the lab was built for Gale, not Walt.  Walt is only involved with Gus because of his superior (to the chemistry geeks only, Gus was happy with Gale's product) output.  Gale got himself killed by convincing Gus to hire Walt.  Gus did not want to hire Walt because Walt is not "a professional."  Going against his instinct bit Gus in the ass.

2) We saw that Skyler has slipped into the life of crime pretty easily.  Her handling of the locksmith was so nice and she was pretty fudgeing cool when Walt shows up out of nowhere in a Willie Nelson T-shirt with the "Large" sticker still on the shoulder.

3) We see that Jesse is making peace with his bad guy side finally.  He waffled for a bit, but his shot to Gale's eyeball and the subsequent fallout has him in the zone.  Walt, on the other hand, is not doing so well with it these days.

4) We saw that Gus isn't interested in a mechanic/cook who knows the recipe any more than he is interested in someone that doesn't do the job they are assigned.  The Mexican thought he was holding all the cards when Gus walked in (frankly, so did I).  Gus is a bad, bad man.  He freaked out his muscle, Mike, even.

5) Jesse is right: there is a stasis between Walt/Jesse and Gus now.  Each side needs the other and each knows that the other will kill for their position.  Walt is also right in that Gus will be looking to replace Walt/Jesse at the first opportunity.  The problem, as Jesse pointed out, is that it probably took years to find a chemist of Gale's caliber in the first place.

6)  Hank.  Oh, fudgein Hank.  He's angry and there will be blood...

I'm thinking Gale gets pinned as Heisenberg, which leads to Hank getting back involved.  Hank will be the one to recognize it's not the right guy, and we'll see Hank in a wheelchair trying to chase down the real dealer. 


This is probably correct.  The lab notes have the initial analysis of Heisenberg's blue meth.  Who knows what Gale has added in the meantime, but he did say in the opening scene (pre-Walt flashback) that he couldn't pinpoint the cause of the blue coloration.  I'll bet that the blue coloring agent ties to something that will lead to Walt. 

Hank will have a mostly successful recovery (moving around in a wheelchair or crutches, a la Walt, Jr.) and will end up back at the DEA offices just to get out of the house.  He will be given a copy of the case file (with Gale's Lab Notes) and he will make the connection to Walt and the blue coloring agent.  The conflict at that point will be: the blue meth pays for his med bills/PT, so does he accept it and get involved like Skyler (Marie has an outlaw bone in her body as a klepto....could be worked into the family crime syndicate) or does he go super cop and bring the whole thing down?

Awesome fudgeing show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 18, 2011, 09:45:13 PM
I tossed aside a few shootty remarks about your legendary bad taste in art because I love this show and so should everyone else.

Did you watch a few random episodes because you'd never watched the entire series or are you a watcher, but just wanted to get into the groove?

If the former, then you couldn't understand all the nuance and character development going on in that episode.  If the latter, then you're just a colossal dipshoot who didn't get what VG was doing with his characters.

Here's what I got from this episode:

1) We saw that the lab was built for Gale, not Walt.  Walt is only involved with Gus because of his superior (to the chemistry geeks only, Gus was happy with Gale's product) output.  Gale got himself killed by convincing Gus to hire Walt.  Gus did not want to hire Walt because Walt is not "a professional."  Going against his instinct bit Gus in the ass.

2) We saw that Skyler has slipped into the life of crime pretty easily.  Her handling of the locksmith was so nice and she was pretty fudgeing cool when Walt shows up out of nowhere in a Willie Nelson T-shirt with the "Large" sticker still on the shoulder.

3) We see that Jesse is making peace with his bad guy side finally.  He waffled for a bit, but his shot to Gale's eyeball and the subsequent fallout has him in the zone.  Walt, on the other hand, is not doing so well with it these days.

4) We saw that Gus isn't interested in a mechanic/cook who knows the recipe any more than he is interested in someone that does the job they are assigned.  The Mexican thought he was holding all the cards when Gus walked in (frankly, so did I).  Gus is a bad, bad man.  He freaked out his muscle, Mike, even.

5) Jesse is right: there is a stasis between Walt/Jesse and Gus now.  Each side needs the other and each knows that the other will kill for their position.  Walt is also right in that Gus will be looking to replace Walt/Jesse at the first opportunity.  The problem, as Jesse pointed out, is that it probably took years to find a chemist of Gale's caliber in the first place.

6)  Hank.  Oh, fudgein Hank.  He's angry and there will be blood...

This is probably correct.  The lab notes have the initial analysis of Heisenberg's blue meth.  Who knows what Gale has added in the meantime, but he did say in the opening scene (pre-Walt flashback) that he couldn't pinpoint the cause of the blue coloration.  I'll bet that the blue coloring agent ties to something that will lead to Walt. 

Hank will have a mostly successful recovery (moving around in a wheelchair or crutches, a la Walt, Jr.) and will end up back at the DEA offices just to get out of the house.  He will be given a copy of the case file (with Gale's Lab Notes) and he will make the connection to Walt and the blue coloring agent.  The conflict at that point will be: the blue meth pays for his med bills/PT, so does he accept it and get involved like Skyler (Marie has an outlaw bone in her body as a klepto....could be worked into the family crime syndicate) or does he go super cop and bring the whole thing down?

Awesome fudgeing show.

My taste is legendarily good.   I am extremely discerning. 

I watched to try to get a feel for the show because I wanted to pick it up this season.  I have a great appreciation for well-written, well-acted shows. 

The Sopranos is, to me, the greatest show ever (with the exception of season 6 which is essentially Godfather 3.  I pretend it didn't happen).  I refused to let anything keep me from watching an original episode.

I like Walking Dead although I do feel it is a little lacking in the writing department. 

I have gone to great lengths to make sure I could watch Dexter.

Dead Like Me is awesome. 

Oz was some of the most compelling television ever (although it did go over the top at the end, too).  It was a shock to the senses. 

I watched a couple of episodes of this to get acclimated -- to decide if it was worth going back to the beginning.  I made it a point to be in place to catch the season opener.   

And I'm sorry.  I was underwhelmed.  I'm on the fence about whether I'll bother to try to catch up and watch any more of it.  It was nothing I haven't seen before. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 18, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
I wanted to pick it up this season.


You could have saved the rest of the typing.
 
You haven't followed the saga.  You don't know why Gale's death impacted Gus so strongly.  You don't know why Skyler was covering for Walt.  You don't, frankly, know shoot.

If someone told you that they wanted to get into the Sopranos, but they wanted to start on episode 1 of Season 5 but do some prep work by taking some random episodes from previous seasons, what would you have told them?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 25, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
So.....I was completely wrong about Jesse.  He's in self-destruct mode.  He needs to be distracted from the thoughts in his head.  He wants to be caught...or he wants to die. 

Walt will always be two steps behind Mike and Gus.  Plan a murder?  Gus and Mike see it coming a mile away.  Walt's approach to Mike was clumsy and rebuffed, but was Mike setting up plausible deniability?

Hank's obsession with the minerals will be how he connects the dots from the blue meth to Walt.  He is pushing Marie out, though, and here is what I see happening:

1) Hank and Marie separate, Marie goes to live with Skyler;
2) Marie is sent in to pitch the purchase of the car wash, as she has no visible relation to Walt;
3) Marie gets nosy and finds out the source of funds for Hank's med bills;
4) Marie gets involved, Hank connects the meth dots and the dilemma then becomes: rat out his wife, rat out his extended family, and more importantly, cut off his PT funds...or...get in the game.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 25, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
So.....I was completely wrong about Jesse.  He's in self-destruct mode.  He needs to be distracted from the thoughts in his head.  He wants to be caught...or he wants to die. 

Walt will always be two steps behind Mike and Gus.  Plan a murder?  Gus and Mike see it coming a mile away.  Walt's approach to Mike was clumsy and rebuffed, but was Mike setting up plausible deniability?

Hank's obsession with the minerals will be how he connects the dots from the blue meth to Walt.  He is pushing Marie out, though, and here is what I see happening:

1) Hank and Marie separate, Marie goes to live with Skyler;
2) Marie is sent in to pitch the purchase of the car wash, as she has no visible relation to Walt;
3) Marie gets nosy and finds out the source of funds for Hank's med bills;
4) Marie gets involved, Hank connects the meth dots and the dilemma then becomes: rat out his wife, rat out his extended family, and more importantly, cut off his PT funds...or...get in the game.


Watched about half of it last night. Purely on YOUR recommendation weskie. I really think I need to watch the first 2 seasons before watching these new ones.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 25, 2011, 01:10:20 PM

Watched about half of it last night. Purely on YOUR recommendation weskie. I really think I need to watch the first 2 seasons before watching these new ones.

Yeah, there is a ton of nuance and character development happening right now.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on July 25, 2011, 01:22:06 PM

Watched about half of it last night. Purely on YOUR recommendation weskie. I really think I need to watch the first 2 seasons before watching these new ones.

If you just picked the last 2 episodes to start, I think you picked a bad time. These have been slower episodes and it is building for later.

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Walt will always be two steps behind Mike and Gus.  Plan a murder?  Gus and Mike see it coming a mile away.  Walt's approach to Mike was clumsy and rebuffed, but was Mike setting up plausible deniability?

I still think Mike is going to join with Walk before it is over. You know he is thinking about that shoot. The first scene where he finds the blood on his sleeve is proof.

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Hank's obsession with the minerals will be how he connects the dots from the blue meth to Walt.  He is pushing Marie out, though, and here is what I see happening:

1) Hank and Marie separate, Marie goes to live with Skyler;
2) Marie is sent in to pitch the purchase of the car wash, as she has no visible relation to Walt;
3) Marie gets nosy and finds out the source of funds for Hank's med bills;
4) Marie gets involved, Hank connects the meth dots and the dilemma then becomes: rat out his wife, rat out his extended family, and more importantly, cut off his PT funds...or...get in the game.

This is what I am guessing.

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So.....I was completely wrong about Jesse.  He's in self-destruct mode.  He needs to be distracted from the thoughts in his head.  He wants to be caught...or he wants to die. 

He has always been in self-destruct mode. It's what he does. The thing is, Walt was too distracted by trying to take out Gus to notice. If Walt new Jesse was partying like that, he would go nuts...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 25, 2011, 02:33:58 PM
Yeah, there is a ton of nuance and character development happening right now.

That's what I gathered. It still looks like a very well put together show from what I saw.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 04, 2011, 09:04:10 AM
This season needs to step up...quickly. I am not so much losing interest, but I am getting impatient. The previews of next weeks show look promising...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 14, 2011, 11:10:28 PM
shoot's getting good. Very surprised Walt got a little loose with the tongue...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 14, 2011, 11:20:33 PM
I was terrified he would say more.

But it was just enough to get Hank thinking about it.  Who left the Pollos napkin at the apartment, though?  It's not like Gus carts them
around.  Unless I missed something.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 17, 2011, 10:29:49 AM
I was terrified he would say more.

But it was just enough to get Hank thinking about it.  Who left the Pollos napkin at the apartment, though?  It's not like Gus carts them
around.  Unless I missed something.

Been out of the loop a while and had to play 3 weeks of catch up.  Oh shoot.

Skyler is fudgeing money on the business deals.  She is going to be Walt's golden ticket to eliminating Gus.  Gus provides two things: legit cover and volume buyers.  I'll bet Saul can cover item #2.

Gus, however, is a management wizard.  Jesse is in a downward spiral.  Should he be "dealt with"?  Nope, then you have a chemist on strike.  You give Jesse some self-esteem building tasks.  He's not just Walt's lab flunky/hit man anymore.  Loyalty struggle coming up.

Hank and Marie.  Ugh.  What a mess.  We knew Hank would get involved with Gale's murder and lay hands on the lab notes.  Walt was a mommy part hair from flying completely under the radar, but couldn't keep his fudgeing boozed ego in check.  That will bite him in the ass...but something will stop Hank from bringing the house down.  My guess:  Marie.  He still loves her, otherwise he would've let her rot in jail for thieving peoples' open houses.  She'll come clean to Skyler, who will give her a job at the car wash to keep her occupied and out of Hank's hair while he works.  The relationship will improve as Hank gets his self-worth back by making some major strides in the case.  When he finally cracks it, he won't be able to drop the hammer because it will ruin his home life.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 18, 2011, 12:25:54 PM


Skyler is fudgeing money on the business deals.  She is going to be Walt's golden ticket to eliminating Gus.  Gus provides two things: legit cover and volume buyers.  I'll bet Saul can cover item #2.


After some thought, I think Jesse becomes the distribution arm when Gus is 86'd.  He mentioned to Mike that he and his "crew" used money drops in much the same way that Gus does. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 22, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
After some thought, I think Jesse becomes the distribution arm when Gus is 86'd.  He mentioned to Mike that he and his "crew" used money drops in much the same way that Gus does.

How do you think Gus will get killed? Saul seems to be pretty loyal to him and Gus is too smart to get blind sided...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 26, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
How do you think Gus will get killed? Saul seems to be pretty loyal to him and Gus is too smart to get blind sided...

DEA kills him in a botched arrest/search.  Hank gets dirty to keep the money train rolling.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 04, 2011, 11:26:47 PM
Holy hell this season is getting intense.

I love the Gus backstory going on.  Any idea what Don Eladio(?) meant when he said he knew who Gustavo was? 

The easy answer is that Gus is the original cook, but this show is rarely easy. 

I think Gus is connected to something even bigger.  Not sure what. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on September 13, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
Holy hell this season is getting intense.

I love the Gus backstory going on.  Any idea what Don Eladio(?) meant when he said he knew who Gustavo was? 

The easy answer is that Gus is the original cook, but this show is rarely easy. 

I think Gus is connected to something even bigger.  Not sure what.

Gus is a member of a much bigger scene back in Chile.  The Mexican mob was sending a message:  you are untouchable, but your associates are not.  You are on our turf and we will dictate terms, but we cannot kill you. 

That is strong shoot.  Gus is a bad motherfudgeer.

Walt is fudgeing up (obviously), but Jesse is not the guy to send to Mexico....unless Gus knows that the guy he sends to Mexico will be killed.

Skyler is once again shown to be a smooth operator.  No ego.  She will play the stupid piece of bookeeping ass if it keeps the IRS off the trail.  She will pay the IRS debt, and buy up a piece of Beneke's business.  This is how the mob works.  Usury and leverage.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 13, 2011, 10:52:18 PM
I'm definitely not liking Walt very much this season.  He's been a pompous ass.  He usually looks out for Jesse, but now he's so paranoid about Gus trying to kill him that he's freaking out at everybody.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on September 13, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
I'm definitely not liking Walt very much this season.  He's been a pompous ass.  He usually looks out for Jesse, but now he's so paranoid about Gus trying to kill him that he's freaking out at everybody.

I think it's less about paranoia than it is about his perceived lack of respect.

He was spouting off about "not compromising" and being the boss.  He'd be a much wiser man to show up at the lab, do his job and collect his millions.  Let Gus handle the bullshoot.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 19, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
Wow...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 19, 2011, 11:59:38 AM
Wow is right.  Vince knows how to change the direction of the show in 15 minutes.  He seems to do that once or twice a season.

These last three episodes are going to be nuts.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on September 27, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
Wow.

Jesse was fudgeing money at the lab.  I thought they were fudgeed when Jesse couldn't synthesize the acid. 

Gustavo is the baddest motherfudgeer around.  The foresight and execution (pardon the pun) of the plan at Eladio's house was unreal.  "Come and fight me....and die!"

I wonder what Gus's plan is with regards to the cartel's operation.  Surely he intends to fill that vacuum himself, but how?  There will also surely be another Mexican syndicate trying to take Eladio's turf.  How does Hector Salamanco fit in at this point?  Is Gus just fudgeing with him now as revenge for killing his pollo hermano? 

Now there's a great big mess.  Walt can't let Hank die and, obviously,  can't risk his family's lives either.  He can't run because of the cuckolding fudge Beneke.  What to do?  He's lost his biggest ally in Jesse and it's ironic that their roles have reversed with respect to Gus. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 27, 2011, 10:24:28 AM
It's the rise of Heizenberg. 

Walt's been beaten down this entire season to the point that I didn't even respect him anymore.  Just a pansy, schizophrenic, whiney-ass bitch for the most part this year. 

Notice he's gained more bruises, cuts, and wrinkles as the season's progressed. 

Now he's laughing maniacally in the crawl space of his house, which he's forbidden to live in. 

Dude is about to rise to the top of his game and fudge some bitches up.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on September 27, 2011, 10:34:03 AM
It's the rise of Heizenberg. 

Walt's been beaten down this entire season to the point that I didn't even respect him anymore.  Just a pansy, schizophrenic, whiney-ass bitch for the most part this year. 

Notice he's gained more bruises, cuts, and wrinkles as the season's progressed. 

Now he's laughing maniacally in the crawl space of his house, which he's forbidden to live in. 

Dude is about to rise to the top of his game and fudge some bitches up.

Interesting.  Time for him to rise up and fill the void that Eladio has left?  Maybe taking Gus out in the process?  I think Gus's distribution and corporate covers are too valuable to discard.  Walt becomes Gus's boss?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on October 03, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
I believe Walt when he says that he couldn't do that to a child.

Gus's Se7en-inspired plan to turn Jesse against Walt was brilliant.  The problem with the Jesse/Walt plan is that Gus has the instincts of a psychic ninja.  He knew in the parking garage that something was fudgeed with his car.  He knows that the only reason his car is in that place at that time is because of Jesse.  shoot is about to go bad in the Jesse/Gus relationship.

Gomez didn't appreciate Hank's needling vis a vis the "knock and talk" and, even though there will be something in the picture of the dummy washer that Hank catches, Gomez is going to ignore Hank's half-baked theories.  Hank will keep pushing until Walt and/or Skyler are forced to tell him the truth to save his own ass.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 03, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
I didn't think it was ever in question that Walt would do that to Brock. 

Gus's plan was almost perfect except he didn't account for the fact that Jesse truly knows Walt.  Gus probably assumes everyone involved in this business is capable of doing horrific acts just to get revenge.  But Walt has been a family man since day one and Jesse knows that.  Jesse also knows that Walt is the only father-figure he's ever had respect for. 

I should have watched it again, but I thought right before Gus got to his car, he glanced at a different car in the parking lot.  One that had something hanging from the mirror.  My first thought was that it was Walt's car, but now I'm not so sure. 

Jesse gave way too much away when he said Brock was poisoned.  Gus was either expecting Jesse to say, "I don't know what's wrong with him" or "Walt poisoned Brock, and I killed him for it."  When Jesse indignantly said that Brock was poisoned with no other details, I bet Gus's alarm when off.  And that's why Gus ended the conversation immediately and told Jesse to not come back to work until next week. 

I don't know if they kill Gus this week.  I hope they do because if they don't, I bet it's going to be a big cat and mouse chase next season for the first half.  If they kill him off now, the story can really open up. 

I'm really sad this season's coming to an end.  I feel like it just got started.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 10, 2011, 01:33:08 PM
Walt spins the gun and it lands on himself.  Spins it a second time, and again, it points at him.  Spins it a third, and it lands on a plant in his backyard. 

Damn what an ending to the season. 

I tried to take a risky left turn this morning on my way to work, but I hesitated.  I thought, "I can't risk my life at all until next summer because I have to see the series finale of Breaking Bad."
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2011, 02:31:33 PM
Agreed Town. Great season.

It started pretty slow for me, but the last several episodes were great. I hate it is coming to an end...how many episodes are in the final season? Just 6 right? Damn...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 11, 2011, 02:46:05 PM
Supposedly, 16 episodes will be divided into two mini-seasons of 8.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 11, 2011, 02:50:46 PM
Supposedly, 16 episodes will be divided into two mini-seasons of 8.

Oh...good...

What happens now?

I assume Gus will take over? When does Jesse find out about the poisoning? Will the conflict simply be Gus vs. DEA?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
I assume you mean Walt.

There's a lot of angles open.  Of course.  That's what makes the show great.

Hank vs. Walt is coming.  It's inevitable.  Hank keeps seeing things the other DEA guys aren't.  He's always finding the obscure pieces of evidence, and no matter what Walt tries to do, there's something he missed which will lead Hank right to him. 

Don't forget the scene where Skylar tossed the coin on the four corners.  It landed on Colorado.  Either Skylar's going to disappear with the kids or that's where Walt takes his family into hiding.

Walt's out of money.  While Walt thinks he's won against Gus, there's still Mike and Hank and any remnants of the cartel and others he has to look out for.  If he wants to use that guy to change his identity, he's going to need to make $200,000.  Bam.  Walt's cooking again. 

We were given hints about Gus's influence and power towards the end of the season.  The Mexican doctor saying Gus pays his salary.  Mike's allegiance to Gus (punching Walt in the face).  The cartel's inability to kill Gus because Gus has so many distribution centers to transport drugs.  Someone will have to step up and take over Gus's organization.  Why not Walt?  He cooks.  He's ruthless.  Now, getting him to that point will be complicated because why would any of Gus's men trust a broke, vengeful Walter White? 

Cancer.  We were reminded about Walt's cancer when he went in for tests in that one episode.   

Damn I wish the next season started next week.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on October 21, 2011, 09:30:15 AM
So I finally caught the first 3 episodes on Netflix last night. Wow.....pretty complex show. I like the flow and the schizo nature of Walt already. I will continue to try and watch a few episodes a night to get caught up to current. But yeah, I agree with you guy - pretty good show. Catching an obscure episode midstream like I did a few months ago really didn't do the show justice. Jesse actually had me cracking up in parts.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 21, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
The way the show progresses from season one to season four is unlike any show I've ever seen.  I have no doubt that anyone who gives the show a chance from season one will fall in love with it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on October 21, 2011, 10:08:34 AM
The way the show progresses from season one to season four is unlike any show I've ever seen.  I have no doubt that anyone who gives the show a chance from season one will fall in love with it.

I actually don't think it is a show for anyone, much like the Sopranos. Those who like complex plots with precise angles and NO plotholes will probably like it. Some folks tend to like more simplistic shows like most of the sitcoms of today, which I think are crap. The subject matter (meth + cancer) will also not be very appealing to the G rated crowd, but I think they pull it off well here. Tons of angles and paths to go down. I am already interested to see how this show will end when it does.

I LIKEY a lot. I am surprised Kaos doesn't.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on October 21, 2011, 12:55:48 PM
So I finally caught the first 3 episodes on Netflix last night. Wow.....pretty complex show. I like the flow and the schizo nature of Walt already. I will continue to try and watch a few episodes a night to get caught up to current. But yeah, I agree with you guy - pretty good show. Catching an obscure episode midstream like I did a few months ago really didn't do the show justice. Jesse actually had me cracking up in parts.

Jesse continues to have some hilarious quotes up to and throughout season 3.  Things get a little more serious in season 4, and if you like Walt's schizo nature thus far in only the first three episodes, it gets better.

I just started catching up on the entire series this past month.  I've seen up to episode 5 on season 4.  Netflix doesn't have season 4 right now, so if you reach that point prior to Netflix having it, I'd suggest trying to find it online.  A Google search will lead you to a few different sites where you can watch it for free.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on October 21, 2011, 12:57:37 PM
Also, I'd suggest looking up the bloopers on YouTube.  There aren't a whole lot of them, and most aren't particularly hilarious per se, but it's pretty funny to watch Walt when he's not being a serious chemistry teacher/meth cook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2ywM4YyVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2ywM4YyVo)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on October 21, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
Also, I'd suggest looking up the bloopers on YouTube.  There aren't a whole lot of them, and most aren't particularly hilarious per se, but it's pretty funny to watch Walt when he's not being a serious chemistry teacher/meth cook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2ywM4YyVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2ywM4YyVo)

Pretty funny to see him in that context. Wasn't that guy on the Malcolm X goes to the Middle show?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on October 23, 2011, 11:02:06 PM
Yeah, he was the father...which is also weird to think of him in that role now after seeing his personality develop throughout Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: ssgaufan on November 23, 2011, 11:53:18 AM
I would like to thank ya'll for turning me on to this show.  I am playing catch up now on netflix.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on November 23, 2011, 12:03:41 PM
I would like to thank ya'll for turning me on to this show.  I am playing catch up now on netflix.

I am having to catch Season 4 on itunes and amazon. It is not on Netflix as of yesterday.

And yes, damn good show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 16, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
Lots going on in the first episode.  I suppose the diner scene is our glimpse at the finale.  I wonder who is going to be catching the fury from that fudgeing heater in the trunk.

I grossly underestimated Mike's loyalty to Gus...and his connection with Jessie.  Line of the night: "It's the international sign for 'keys.'"

Skylar is scared of Walt...and now she scares the fudge out of Beneke.  I think she liked it, too. 

Saul...man, I thought Saul would show some sac when Walt was strong-arming him.  Crack wise, laugh at danger, something.  I was surprised to find myself disappointed in him when he pussied up.

Poor Hank.  He's vindicated and still can't be satisfied.  Tough break losing the laptop, but I bet that Swiss bank account information will prove illuminating.  My guess is that it will tie us back to the Peruvians (I think that's where Gus came from) and will signal the beginning of a big fudgeing war.

RIP Walter White.  Heisenberg choked him out, finally. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 17, 2012, 12:10:33 AM
Don't forget that Walt was popping pills in the bathroom. 

I think the end will be Walt going fudgeing postal because he's on his last leg of life and something bad has happened to his family. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 17, 2012, 08:28:39 AM
Ok.  So done with season 2.  Like it a little better.  The scene where Walt sort of gives over to that side by confronting the dealers in the parking lot of the fake home depot was pretty good.  Still not completely believable but okay. 

I realized that in many ways this is trying to be Sopranos. 

Walt is Tony.  Tony had anxiety issues that led him to see a shrink and put his life in danger.  Struggled with who and what he was but always ended up being pulled back in -- because he likes the life.  Walt has cancer.  Finds out he likes the life and can't get out. 

Skyler is Carmela.  Not quite hot enough to be hot, but attractive in her own way.  Thinks she might want out, fantasizes about her boss/wallpaper guy/husband's driver.  Puts Tony/Walt out of the house and causes him to do bad things.  Tony/Walt thinks everything he does is for her. 

Flynn/Jr. is Anthony Jr.  Useless son.  Anthony's handicap is laziness and weakness. Flynn's is the crutches.

Jesse is Christopher.  The love/hate relationship where Walt/Tony have to continually cover for the mistakes junkie Chrissy/Jesse makes, the anger and frustration are very similar.  Wanting to trust him, continually being reminded that he can't.  Just very much the same. 

Jane is Adriana. Hot, slinky.  Sacrificed by Tony/Walt for self preservation and control reasons.

The guy from Pollos is Johnny Sack.

The idiots Jesse hires are the same kind of idiots in Tony's crews. 

Hank is in a way Paulie.  Always a fringe danger to Tony or Walt but just for different reasons. 


The angles are very similar.  Sopranos is still better. It's the platinum standard.  It's KISS.  This is Mr. Speed, a KISS tribute band.  Still entertaining, but still a tribute band. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 17, 2012, 09:23:05 AM
I've never seen The Sopranos. 

So in that regard, Breaking Bad is better. 

And just wait until season 3.  That's when shoot hits the fan. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 17, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Lots going on in the first episode.  I suppose the diner scene is our glimpse at the finale.  I wonder who is going to be catching the fury from that fudgeing heater in the trunk.

I grossly underestimated Mike's loyalty to Gus...and his connection with Jessie.  Line of the night: "It's the international sign for 'keys.'"

Skylar is scared of Walt...and now she scares the fudge out of Beneke.  I think she liked it, too. 

Saul...man, I thought Saul would show some sac when Walt was strong-arming him.  Crack wise, laugh at danger, something.  I was surprised to find myself disappointed in him when he pussied up.

Poor Hank.  He's vindicated and still can't be satisfied.  Tough break losing the laptop, but I bet that Swiss bank account information will prove illuminating.  My guess is that it will tie us back to the Peruvians (I think that's where Gus came from) and will signal the beginning of a big fudgeing war.

RIP Walter White.  Heisenberg choked him out, finally.

And it's probably just cartel semantics since they are all interconnected, but wasn't Gus from Chile? But yeah, I agree on your premise. That acct will tie back to the international origins of Gus' operation.

I also am not sure what to make out of the diner scene. If that is not a wig, then Walt has gotten his hair back from cancer treatment and a lot of it. Looking at the length of his hair, the diner scene is a good ways down the road from the opening season episode.

Beneke really fudgeed them up squandering that money.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 17, 2012, 10:54:22 AM
I've never seen The Sopranos. 

So in that regard, Breaking Bad is better. 

And just wait until season 3.  That's when shoot hits the fan.

If you like this show you should do yourself a favor and get Sopranos.  Best show ever. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 17, 2012, 10:58:03 AM
If you like this show you should do yourself a favor and get Sopranos.  Best show ever.

I have to agree with you on this. I don't quite say it's the best show ever, but it is a top 3 LOCK.

There are 5-6 shows that I like above the rest: Sopranos, TAGS, Friends (flawed but I love it), Cheers, Seinfeld. Maybe even throw Bonanza and MASH in there. Perhaps Dallas. I liked Frazier but didn't watch it as much as those others.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 17, 2012, 11:06:08 AM
And it's probably just cartel semantics since they are all interconnected, but wasn't Gus from Chile? But yeah, I agree on your premise. That acct will tie back to the international origins of Gus' operation.

I also am not sure what to make out of the diner scene. If that is not a wig, then Walt has gotten his hair back from cancer treatment and a lot of it. Looking at the length of his hair, the diner scene is a good ways down the road from the opening season episode.

Beneke really fudgeed them up squandering that money.

You really think Mr. I'm the New Gus But Only More Prideful Walt is going to go back to cancer treatments? 

I think he'll find out he has cancer and then kill the doctor for forgetting to call him "sir." 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on July 17, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
You really think Mr. I'm the New Gus But Only More Prideful Walt is going to go back to cancer treatments? 

I think he'll find out he has cancer and then kill the doctor for forgetting to call him "sir."

:snicker:
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 17, 2012, 02:06:31 PM
You really think Mr. I'm the New Gus But Only More Prideful Walt is going to go back to cancer treatments? 

I think he'll find out he has cancer and then kill the doctor for forgetting to call him "sir."

Nothing to do with the cancer treatment so much (or lack thereof) but more to do with the elapsed time between that opening in the diner and the current episode. Takes a while for that amount of hair to grow back. But yes, it also tells us he is either cancer free or has stopped any kind of treatment.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 17, 2012, 02:17:32 PM
Takes a while for that amount of hair to grow back. But yes, it also tells us he is either cancer free or has stopped any kind of treatment.

You realize he hasn't been having cancer treatment the past few seasons, right?  He's just kept it shaved. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 17, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
You realize he hasn't been having cancer treatment the past few seasons, right?  He's just kept it shaved.

 :facepalm:

Cancer treatment or lack thereof = not the point. Not sure what isn't comprehending there for you. The main observation I was making in response to what Wes said was that the scene in the diner is probably somewhat in the distant future with his hair being grown back that much.

I swear to Lord Sabynz a few of you fudgeers are on your period today.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: ssgaufan on July 18, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
:facepalm:

Cancer treatment or lack thereof = not the point. Not sure what isn't comprehending there for you. The main observation I was making in response to what Wes said was that the scene in the diner is probably somewhat in the distant future with his hair being grown back that much.

I swear to Lord Sabynz a few of you fudgeers are on your period today.

 :muttley:
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 23, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I'm quite surprised that Gus's nefarious actions would be so directly linked to ze Germans.  Seems like you'd have layers and layers of plausible deniability if you were an international conglomerate dabbling in the meth trade.

Walt has lost his damned mind.  He's setting up shop in downtown ABQ because "If Gus could manage it, we can manage it."  Well, except that you don't have a brilliant cover for moving tons of chemicals around...and you don't have a built in distribution structure.

Lying to Jessie...tsk tsk.  What a shoothead to not react when he saw how sick Jessie was over nearly shooting him.

You had to figure that Mike would be forced back into the game with Walt and Jessie.  But who the fudge is Lydia?  I assume she was the ace money launderer for Gus, since she knows who is on the payroll and who supplies the precursor.  Having her involved is going to be a clusterfudge.  She's jumpy as shoot.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 23, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I'm quite surprised that Gus's nefarious actions would be so directly linked to ze Germans.  Seems like you'd have layers and layers of plausible deniability if you were an international conglomerate dabbling in the meth trade.

Walt has lost his damned mind.  He's setting up shop in downtown ABQ because "If Gus could manage it, we can manage it."  Well, except that you don't have a brilliant cover for moving tons of chemicals around...and you don't have a built in distribution structure.

Lying to Jessie...tsk tsk.  What a shoothead to not react when he saw how sick Jessie was over nearly shooting him.

You had to figure that Mike would be forced back into the game with Walt and Jessie.  But who the fudge is Lydia?  I assume she was the ace money launderer for Gus, since she knows who is on the payroll and who supplies the precursor.  Having her involved is going to be a clusterfudge.  She's jumpy as shoot.

Good observation on Walt acting insane. Setting up shop in downtown ABQ is a setup for failure. With the Lydia/Mike angle in the picture now, this has all the makings of some major fireworks and double crossings.

Did you get the feeling Mike spared Lydia for either: 1. Lydia playing off his emotions with her daughter and his granddaughter  OR  needing her to get the hookup on the chems Walt needs and calling off the hits on him in exchange for him not blasting her in the house? Maybe a little of both. One of the few times I have seen Mike struggle with a decision and show a tad bit of weakness. Def not his MO.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 23, 2012, 11:53:09 AM

Did you get the feeling Mike spared Lydia for either: 1. Lydia playing off his emotions with her daughter and his granddaughter  OR  needing her to get the hookup on the chems Walt needs and calling off the hits on him in exchange for him not blasting her in the house? Maybe a little of both. One of the few times I have seen Mike struggle with a decision and show a tad bit of weakness. Def not his MO.

Mostly #1, with a touch of #2 for rationalization.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
Mostly #1, with a touch of #2 for rationalization.

I thought mostly #2 with #1 helping him realize what it is he needs to do. 

Mike reminds me of Walt from seasons 1-3.  He was definitely not happy to learn that his granddaughter's money was being taken away.  I get the feeling the whole reason why he's in the business is to provide for her.  We haven't seen either of her parents yet.  I wonder what kind of problems they have. 

Also, some serious foreshadowing going on.  The opening of season 5 showed Walt looking rather haggardly and disheveled and getting his hands on guns and ammunition.  Then in episode 2, Mike says he doesn't want to do business with Walt because Walt is a ticking time bomb. 

Vince also seems to have little deference for women. 

The female characters:

Skylar - The fat, emotional, cheating wife of the main character.
Marie - A flippant, psychotic, idiotic thief who can be a bit of a nag to her husband.
Lydia - Over-reacting, over-dramatic and careless and indifferent to people's lives. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 23, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
I thought mostly #2 with #1 helping him realize what it is he needs to do. 

Mike reminds me of Walt from seasons 1-3.  He was definitely not happy to learn that his granddaughter's money was being taken away.  I get the feeling the whole reason why he's in the business is to provide for her.  We haven't seen either of her parents yet.  I wonder what kind of problems they have. 

Also, some serious foreshadowing going on.  The opening of season 5 showed Walt looking rather haggardly and disheveled and getting his hands on guns and ammunition.  Then in episode 2, Mike says he doesn't want to do business with Walt because Walt is a ticking time bomb. 

Vince also seems to have little deference for women. 

The female characters:

Skylar - The fat, emotional, cheating wife of the main character.
Marie - A flippant, psychotic, idiotic thief who can be a bit of a nag to her husband.
Lydia - Over-reacting, over-dramatic and careless and indifferent to people's lives.

I was thinking along the lines of what Wes said. She got his attention with daughter angle making him think of his grand daughter. Then he rationalized it while the grand daughter was on his mind. But I could see it the other way as well. I like the angle potential they are going with this season already. Too damn complex to even remotely predict. But Mike was right about one thing - Walt is a ticking time bomb who will explode eventually. Not if but when.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
Forgot to bring this up -

Anyone else notice that Hank knows about Walt? 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 23, 2012, 03:48:04 PM
Forgot to bring this up -

Anyone else notice that Hank knows about Walt?

I felt like he may have known for a while and is just playing it cool, going all the way back to Gale's lab notes. No way Hank could not have deducted something from that. He is a lot smarter than we think (as an audience). I think he plays that dumb card a lot.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 23, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
I felt like he may have known for a while and is just playing it cool, going all the way back to Gale's lab notes. No way Hank could not have deducted something from that. He is a lot smarter than we think (as an audience). I think he plays that dumb card a lot.

I could see him fudgeing with Walt by showing him that karaoke video.  But would Hank withhold Walt's name from the investigation because they're related?  I don't see that in his character.

I think he's only found out recently.  Or more likely, he doesn't really have a connection at all, but he's figured out that the only person in town that could handle a chemistry lab like that is Walter White.

Or even more likely, Vince will continue to surprise the hell out of us as the show unfolds. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 24, 2012, 09:13:51 AM

Or even more likely, Vince will continue to surprise the hell out of us as the show unfolds.

Which is why I am not even remotely trying to predict anything aside from Walt imploding at some point. That's the only given. Ive made about 20 predictions on plot directions so far with this show and been right about 5% of the time.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 27, 2012, 06:12:09 PM
i just finished season 4. 

It's a low-rent Sopranos.  Many of the same themes, from the culpability of the wives to the slow decline into self destruction of the lead character to the dysfunctional son to the fudge up nephew/friend.   

I despise Skyler's character and loathe the woman playing the part.  She's no Carm.  Not even close.

It definitely doesn't hold me like Sopranos, Oz, Dexter, Homeland or some of the other top shelf shows did.   

I'll finish it because I'm this far in, but it's just not the "groundbreaking" awesome can't miss series I expected. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 29, 2012, 11:17:57 AM
i just finished season 4. 

It's a low-rent Sopranos.  Many of the same themes, from the culpability of the wives to the slow decline into self destruction of the lead character to the dysfunctional son to the fudge up nephew/friend.   

I despise Skyler's character and loathe the woman playing the part.  She's no Carm.  Not even close.

It definitely doesn't hold me like Sopranos, Oz, Dexter, Homeland or some of the other top shelf shows did.   

I'll finish it because I'm this far in, but it's just not the "groundbreaking" awesome can't miss series I expected.

Hey, boss: we get it.  You think the Sopranos is the end-all of televised drama.  Nothing will ever compare.  So quit fudgeing trying to compare it and leave those of us who enjoy this series to our discussion.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on July 29, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
Hey, boss: we get it.  You think the Sopranos is the end-all of televised drama.  Nothing will ever compare.  So quit fudgeing trying to compare it and leave those of us who enjoy this series to our discussion.

What the fudge are you talking about?  The Sopranos is what all other great television is based on.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 29, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
Hey, boss: we get it.  You think the Sopranos is the end-all of televised drama.  Nothing will ever compare.  So quit fudgeing trying to compare it and leave those of us who enjoy this series to our discussion.

Hey fudgesnout.  Just making the poInt that it's almost a carbon copy of Sopranos in terms of character development and story arcs.  You can draw direct parallels to almost every character. 

That's not a bad thing.  Other shows fail spectacularly trying to follow that pattern.  This one doesn't. 

I like it enough to see it through to the end.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 30, 2012, 10:28:25 AM
Mike is buying silence...and making Walt and Jesse contribute.  That won't end well.  Jesse is correct that they are making 1/4 the weight, but netting a higher percentage of profit as owners rather than employees.  The problem is, I think Walt will believe this to be too small-time for a big shot drug kingpin like himself.

The pest control cover is pretty fudgeing genius.  Mobile lab with transient cook sites...it's the RV concept dressed up and made all professional-like.  Walt just can't help himself, though.  He tells Saul that he'll handle Mike and approves the pest control cover with no vote.  The icing on the cake was the Victor/Daedalus story.  Mike is getting too big for the britches that Walt thinks he ought to be wearing.

Walt manipulating Jesse into ending his relationship was dirty.  He sounded so sincere (though the viewers know that he is clearly not) during their mid-cook conversation and then totally disengaged after the money-split.  He's obviously worried about Brock ID'ing him, but I think those odds went up substantially when he tried to talk to the kid about being in the hospital.  fudgeing hubris.

Marie was so close to the truth, but Walt gets the easy out by confessing some truths and guilting her into keeping quiet.  The "join us" bit with Walt and Jr. watching Scarface was pretty ham-handed.  We get that Skylar is regretting her (and, presumably, her family's) involvement in the underworld.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 30, 2012, 10:29:24 AM
Just making the poInt that it's almost a carbon copy of Sopranos in terms of character development and story arcs.  You can draw direct parallels to almost every character. 

And that is not fudgeing germane to the current discussion.  Start your own thread if you want to draw imaginary parallels to other shows.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
i just finished season 4. 

It's a low-rent Sopranos.  Many of the same themes, from the culpability of the wives to the slow decline into self destruction of the lead character to the dysfunctional son to the fudge up nephew/friend.   

I despise Skyler's character and loathe the woman playing the part.  She's no Carm.  Not even close.

It definitely doesn't hold me like Sopranos, Oz, Dexter, Homeland or some of the other top shelf shows did.   

I'll finish it because I'm this far in, but it's just not the "groundbreaking" awesome can't miss series I expected.

When did this become a Sopranos vs Breaking Bad pissing contest? You might enjoy the show a little more if you would quit worrying about the similarities and which one is better. BTW - a lot of shows and movies have that same setup - self destructing lead, nagging wife, dysfunctional son, etc etc. I love the Sopranos. I think it's one of the top 3 shows of all time. But not once do I think about it while watching Breaking Bad. You've almost become OCD with the comparisons.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2012, 10:38:56 AM
Mike is buying silence...and making Walt and Jesse contribute.  That won't end well.  Jesse is correct that they are making 1/4 the weight, but netting a higher percentage of profit as owners rather than employees.  The problem is, I think Walt will believe this to be too small-time for a big shot drug kingpin like himself.

The pest control cover is pretty fudgeing genius.  Mobile lab with transient cook sites...it's the RV concept dressed up and made all professional-like.  Walt just can't help himself, though.  He tells Saul that he'll handle Mike and approves the pest control cover with no vote.  The icing on the cake was the Victor/Daedalus story.  Mike is getting too big for the britches that Walt thinks he ought to be wearing.

Walt manipulating Jesse into ending his relationship was dirty.  He sounded so sincere (though the viewers know that he is clearly not) during their mid-cook conversation and then totally disengaged after the money-split.  He's obviously worried about Brock ID'ing him, but I think those odds went up substantially when he tried to talk to the kid about being in the hospital.  fudgeing hubris.

Marie was so close to the truth, but Walt gets the easy out by confessing some truths and guilting her into keeping quiet.  The "join us" bit with Walt and Jr. watching Scarface was pretty ham-handed.  We get that Skylar is regretting her (and, presumably, her family's) involvement in the underworld.

Spot on.

And yes, Walt has officially broken bad all the way. fudgeer is all in at this point. I'm still not sure what to think about Mike. I don't think we've seen the half of him. The scene with Skyler and Marie was intense. The "shut up shut up shut up......" dialogue was strong. Wasn't expecting her to snap this quick.

In the end, Walt has gone fudgeing insane - some ways good and some ways bad. Dude is a mad scientist, pun intended.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
And that is not fudgeing germane to the current discussion.  Start your own thread if you want to draw imaginary parallels to other shows.

And ubiquitous movie quotes are germane to all threads in which they appear? 

Perhaps you should start a movie quotes thread to contain them all Titan.  Either that or reduce your eViagra intake. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Saniflush on July 30, 2012, 11:03:53 AM
And that is not fudgeing germane to the current discussion.  Start your own thread if you want to draw imaginary parallels to other shows.

The got-damn Germans got nothin' to do with this!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 11:13:04 AM
When did this become a Sopranos vs Breaking Bad pissing contest? You might enjoy the show a little more if you would quit worrying about the similarities and which one is better. BTW - a lot of shows and movies have that same setup - self destructing lead, nagging wife, dysfunctional son, etc etc. I love the Sopranos. I think it's one of the top 3 shows of all time. But not once do I think about it while watching Breaking Bad. You've almost become OCD with the comparisons.

The love/hate relationship between Walt and Jesse (and Walt's willingness to damage others to manipulate that relationship) is eerily reminiscent of the fractured Chrissy/Tony arc.  So, too, is the slide into complicity of Skyler/Carm.  Those to angles alone are either homage or replication of Sopranos.  That's what makes me think of it.  I can't watch Walt and Jesse or Walt and Skyler without being reminded of Tony/Chris/Carm. 

Not entirely sure why that upsets anybody's applecart.  Lots of shows take formulas that work and recreate them.  if you have a 12-year old, you know Big Time Rush are essentially The Monkees. 

it's a good show.  Doesn't put me to sleep like The Glades does.  Better than any reality show whether it be bridal shopping, cooking, fishing, hunting, dating, surviving, chasing or whatever all that shoot is. 

Continue your deep analysis. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 30, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
And ubiquitous movie quotes are germane to all threads in which they appear? 

Perhaps you should start a movie quotes thread to contain them all Titan.  Either that or reduce your eViagra intake.

Agreed although I don't care any bit about a Breaking Bad - Sopranos comparison.

This is the X.  We're anarchists.  You want to flood this thread with a conversation about My Little Pony?  Do it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 30, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Mike is buying silence...and making Walt and Jesse contribute.  That won't end well.  Jesse is correct that they are making 1/4 the weight, but netting a higher percentage of profit as owners rather than employees.  The problem is, I think Walt will believe this to be too small-time for a big shot drug kingpin like himself.

The pest control cover is pretty fudgeing genius.  Mobile lab with transient cook sites...it's the RV concept dressed up and made all professional-like.  Walt just can't help himself, though.  He tells Saul that he'll handle Mike and approves the pest control cover with no vote.  The icing on the cake was the Victor/Daedalus story.  Mike is getting too big for the britches that Walt thinks he ought to be wearing.

Walt manipulating Jesse into ending his relationship was dirty.  He sounded so sincere (though the viewers know that he is clearly not) during their mid-cook conversation and then totally disengaged after the money-split.  He's obviously worried about Brock ID'ing him, but I think those odds went up substantially when he tried to talk to the kid about being in the hospital.  fudgeing hubris.

Marie was so close to the truth, but Walt gets the easy out by confessing some truths and guilting her into keeping quiet.  The "join us" bit with Walt and Jr. watching Scarface was pretty ham-handed.  We get that Skylar is regretting her (and, presumably, her family's) involvement in the underworld.

Yeah.  Not a whole lot though to this episode besides getting the lab set up. 

I think we're seeing Walt build a web he doesn't know how to handle.  I didn't realize it's only been a year since he was diagnosed.  In a year's time, he's gone from a strict school teacher with delusions of grandeur to the biggest drug manufacturer in the Southwest.  That's way too much for him to handle, but his pride will never admit that. 

Mike said it took Gus twenty years to build what he had.  Walt's doing it in a year.  It's going to end badly, which we already know based on the opening scene. 

Also, would you say that Gus was a fair, caring employer as long as his employees did their jobs correctly?  That's the vibe I got.  I mean, Gus provided a CostCo snack plate for drug lord meetings.  He was nothing but class and a brilliant CEO unless you stepped over the line.  Walt is the opposite.  Jesse's doing his job, but Walt is controlling his personal life.  Mike is trying to protect their best interests, but Walt wants to be the one to protect their interests.  Saul is trying to offer proper legal and safety advice, but Walt knows what's best for all of them. 

Walt's in too deep. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: AUTiger1 on July 30, 2012, 12:57:04 PM
Agreed although I don't care any bit about a Breaking Bad - Sopranos comparison.

This is the X.  We're anarchists.  You want to flood this thread with a conversation about My Little Pony?  Do it.

    My Little Pony, My Little Pony,
    What is friendship all about?
    My Little Pony, My Little Pony
    Friendship is magic!


    I used to wonder what friendship could be.
    Until you all shared its magic with me.

Buzz, help a brother out will you?  I know this is your favorite BookFace game.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 30, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
    My Little Pony, My Little Pony,
    What is friendship all about?
    My Little Pony, My Little Pony
    Friendship is magic!


    I used to wonder what friendship could be.
    Until you all shared its magic with me.

Buzz, help a brother out will you?  I know this is your favorite BookFace game.

I think you have me confused with someone else.  I only play Farmville.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: AUTiger1 on July 30, 2012, 01:27:50 PM
I think you have me confused with someone else.  I only play Farmville.

Liar!  When I was stalking your pro.......wait, yes, you are correct.  I have you confused with someone else.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 30, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
A couple of other things -

The kid with the pest control company that warned about the nanny cam - there's more to him than meets the eye.

At the end watching Scarface - Walt says, "Everybody dies in this movie." 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
A couple of other things -

The kid with the pest control company that warned about the nanny cam - there's more to him than meets the eye.

At the end watching Scarface - Walt says, "Everybody dies in this movie."

So here it's Scarface references.

It was Godfather call outs in ...... Nevermind. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2012, 04:30:51 PM

Not entirely sure why that upsets anybody's applecart.   


I could say the same thing right back in your critique of BB as it relates to Sopranos. It bothers you that they have similarities and I am not sure why. Don't make me take your applecart and dump it over in the road.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2012, 04:34:42 PM
Yeah.  Not a whole lot though to this episode besides getting the lab set up. 

I think we're seeing Walt build a web he doesn't know how to handle.  I didn't realize it's only been a year since he was diagnosed.  In a year's time, he's gone from a strict school teacher with delusions of grandeur to the biggest drug manufacturer in the Southwest.  That's way too much for him to handle, but his pride will never admit that. 

Mike said it took Gus twenty years to build what he had.  Walt's doing it in a year.  It's going to end badly, which we already know based on the opening scene. 

Also, would you say that Gus was a fair, caring employer as long as his employees did their jobs correctly?  That's the vibe I got.  I mean, Gus provided a CostCo snack plate for drug lord meetings.  He was nothing but class and a brilliant CEO unless you stepped over the line.  Walt is the opposite.  Jesse's doing his job, but Walt is controlling his personal life.  Mike is trying to protect their best interests, but Walt wants to be the one to protect their interests.  Saul is trying to offer proper legal and safety advice, but Walt knows what's best for all of them. 

Walt's in too deep.

Another good analysis. fudgeer has gone off the deep end and it will end badly. Thats about what we know. I see a Walt vs Mike showdown with Jesse and Saul in the middle. I will admit that Saul is my favorite character on the show. Dude cracks me up.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
I could say the same thing right back in your critique of BB as it relates to Sopranos. It bothers you that they have similarities and I am not sure why. Don't make me take your applecart and dump it over in the road.

Actually it doesn't bother me in the least.  I just find it interesting how the two shows parallel so closely.  I wrongly assumed others might either see the parallels or have some interest in discussing how much alike they are -- as well as where they diverge. 

Going to watch Weeds next to see how that meshes with this.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
Actually it doesn't bother me in the least.  I just find it interesting how the two shows parallel so closely.  I wrongly assumed others might either see the parallels or have some interest in discussing how much alike they are -- as well as where they diverge. 

Going to watch Weeds next to see how that meshes with this.

Whatever lady.

You tried to paint it as a cheap knock off of Sopranos. And it aggrevated you.   :poke:
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 05:16:09 PM
Whatever lady.

You tried to paint it as a cheap knock off of Sopranos. And it aggrevated you.   :poke:

It is a cheap knockoff of The Sopranos.  For the reasons I stated.  Doesn't mean that aggrieves me, just that I see what it is.  Other than Walt/Tony and perhaps Jesse/Chris the rest of the actors don't have the depth and range of Carmella, Sil, Paulie, Johnny Sack, Bobby,Ralph, Janice, Richie, Junior, Artie and Charmaine. The performances aren't quite as nuanced.  The one that hurts Breaking Bad the most is Skyler.  I absolutely cannot stand her at all. Her character (and the actress who plays her) is the show's weakest link.  I've been wishing for her death for a while. 

Knockoffs aren't always bad. A Kia/Hyundai is a cheaper knockoff of a Honda/Toyota/Nissan, but that doesn't mean it's a shootty car.  I appreciate that about this show and am going to watch it to the end in spite of all of you. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on July 30, 2012, 09:22:33 PM
And ubiquitous movie quotes are germane to all threads in which they appear? 

Perhaps you should start a movie quotes thread to contain them all Titan.  Either that or reduce your eViagra intake.

No, what I mean is that your first 4 posts in this thread (prior to the season 5 discussion) were all about your comparisons of BB to the Sopranos.  And...really...all your posts since then have been in support of your insistence of comparing everything to the Sopranos.  Care to wax poetic about how Yo Yo Ma can't hold a candle to Gene Simmons' bass lines?

We get that you love the Sopranos.  We get that no show will ever rival that for you...so quit drawing the parallel, looking for someone to agree.

We're talking about BB in this thread, and you are more than welcome to join that discussion, but to constantly insert a reference to Tony/Carm/Pussy/Chrissy into every thread is a bit...dare I say...bammerish.  Long live Tony Bryant.

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on July 30, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
No, what I mean is that your first 4 posts in this thread (prior to the season 5 discussion) were all about your comparisons of BB to the Sopranos.  And...really...all your posts since then have been in support of your insistence of comparing everything to the Sopranos.  Care to wax poetic about how Yo Yo Ma can't hold a candle to Gene Simmons' bass lines?

We get that you love the Sopranos.  We get that no show will ever rival that for you...so quit drawing the parallel, looking for someone to agree.

We're talking about BB in this thread, and you are more than welcome to join that discussion, but to constantly insert a reference to Tony/Carm/Pussy/Chrissy into every thread is a bit...dare I say...bammerish.  Long live Tony Bryant.

Those are my thoughts about the show.  I find the parallels intriguing.  It's interesting to me how the character development intertwines.

Do I bitch when movie and music quotes derail threads that have meaning?  Name a single thread on this board that has stayed on track for the duration.  This is my version of a movie/song quote. 

Lock it down Titan!

BTW?  I have no idea what yo ma ma does with Gene Simmon's bass.  That's her business.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 31, 2012, 09:53:20 AM
A couple of weeks ago, Wes gave me the Reader's Digest version of the show as I know full well I won't go back and watch the previous episodes to bring myself up to speed.  So the other night, I watch it for the first time.  Will probably be the last time.  Oh, the story, acting...all that seems fine.  But for gawd sake.....

TURN.....SOME fudgeING.......LIGHTS ON, PEOPLE!!!!  What is the obsession with having every scene, every setting in a room with one dim 25 watt bulb in the corner for lighting? I see you dividing up hundreds of thousands of dollars...in cash.  I know you have the money to pay your electric bill.     
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Saniflush on July 31, 2012, 10:28:12 AM
A couple of weeks ago, Wes gave me the Reader's Digest version of the show as I know full well I won't go back and watch the previous episodes to bring myself up to speed.  So the other night, I watch it for the first time.  Will probably be the last time.  Oh, the story, acting...all that seems fine.  But for gawd sake.....

TURN.....SOME fudgeING.......LIGHTS ON, PEOPLE!!!!  What is the obsession with having every scene, every setting in a room with one dim 25 watt bulb in the corner for lighting? I see you dividing up hundreds of thousands of dollars...in cash.  I know you have the money to pay your electric bill.   


Elevated electric bills is how the man tracks you.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 31, 2012, 10:30:46 AM

Elevated electric bills is how the man tracks you.

I knew there had to be an explanation.  Makes sense now.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on July 31, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
I knew there had to be an explanation.  Makes sense now.

Its also why Walt likes to drive an 89 Dodge Stratus. People are scared of him!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 06, 2012, 12:55:43 PM
Did Snaggle come in here and bad mouth Breaking Bad?  Ricin to both your houses!

Anyways, I've been reading a lot of criticism on this week's episode.  I liked it.  It's not exactly the exciting, drug cartel blow shoot up plot I was expecting, but every season has started slowly and built to the climax.

Obviously, season 5 is reverting back to the show's roots - Walt's family. 

We have Skyler acting suicidal because of Walt's behavior and Junior possibly killing himself in an accident with his dad finally giving him the Charger to keep and encouraging him to drive it a bit recklessly. 

Also, Madrigal chick's got to go if Walt and Mike want the business to be safe from the DEA.  Jesse's our only sympathetic character, so in terms of goodness and morality, I agree with him with keeping her alive.

Also, Hank knows.  He knows he knows he knows.  I'll probably be wrong about that, but it seems like every episode this season, we've seen a very small hint - a very small line or look - that tells us that Hank either knows about Walt or at least suspects him. 

I do have one critique, and it's the same ole tireless one everyone has - Skyler is a bad actress.  Her emotions seem forced and her line delivery has bad timing especially compared to Cranston.  But the storyline is at least being conveyed. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 06, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
Spoiler alert.  Stop reading if you haven't seen the most recent episode and don't want to know anything about it.














Anyone else think that Walt may have had something to do with the promotion of Hank?  I can't think of a feasible way for him to have that sort of power, but the fact that Hank will be taken out of the "day to day operations" of the Fring case seems like a positive for Walt.  No one else but Hank would really have a reason to ever tie Walt to the entire operation, unless Walt slips up or something from the past comes back to bite him in the ass.

It just seems like that this season so far has been portraying Walt as a mastermind who is always several steps ahead of everyone else.  This was especially displayed in his conversation with Skyler regarding how she planned to get the kids out of the house permanently.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hank's promotion was somehow pulled off by Walt, but right now I don't really see how they could explain that.













Spoiler alert.  Don't read the above if you haven't seen the most recent episode and don't want to know anything about it.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2012, 01:59:52 PM
Did Snaggle come in here and bad mouth Breaking Bad?  Ricin to both your houses!

Anyways, I've been reading a lot of criticism on this week's episode.  I liked it.  It's not exactly the exciting, drug cartel blow shoot up plot I was expecting, but every season has started slowly and built to the climax.

Obviously, season 5 is reverting back to the show's roots - Walt's family. 

We have Skyler acting suicidal because of Walt's behavior and Junior possibly killing himself in an accident with his dad finally giving him the Charger to keep and encouraging him to drive it a bit recklessly. 

Also, Madrigal chick's got to go if Walt and Mike want the business to be safe from the DEA.  Jesse's our only sympathetic character, so in terms of goodness and morality, I agree with him with keeping her alive.

Also, Hank knows.  He knows he knows he knows.  I'll probably be wrong about that, but it seems like every episode this season, we've seen a very small hint - a very small line or look - that tells us that Hank either knows about Walt or at least suspects him. 

I do have one critique, and it's the same ole tireless one everyone has - Skyler is a bad actress.  Her emotions seem forced and her line delivery has bad timing especially compared to Cranston.  But the storyline is at least being conveyed.

1. I think Hank knows.

2. I think Walt knows that Hank MAY know.

3. Hank is trying to more or less figure out a way to solve the case WITHOUT implicating Walt.

4. The new job was possibly setup by Walt to get Hank off the hook, which Hank gladly accepts.

5. Skyler sucks. Marie is cute.

6. Lydia and Jesse are gonna cause trouble for Mike and Walt before its all over.

That is all.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 06, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
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4. The new job was possibly setup by Walt to get Hank off the hook, which Hank gladly accepts.

This is in response to VV's post as well.

I don't think it's set up by Walt.  I could maybe see it since Walt is acting so damn roostery and arrogant, but I think he's being way too reckless and roostery and arrogant for me to believe he's the new Gus.  He's not.  Mike pointed it out.  We've already seen in the opening scene that he goes off the hinges.   I can't see Walt having some higher up counterpart in the DEA.  When would Walt have made that connection?

I do believe Mike has someone in the DEA.  Possibly Gomez.  How else could he call Lydia to warn her about the DEA coming to her office? 

But then again, if Hank is being promoted to be kept out of the Fringe investigation, then maybe Mike - or Walt if you want - has someone way up in the DEA.  More likely Mike since he has connections everywhere.

Don't forget that Mike was describe in an earlier season as THE guy to have on your side if you want a hitman running security in your drug cartel. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2012, 02:12:27 PM
This is in response to VV's post as well.

I don't think it's set up by Walt.  I could maybe see it since Walt is acting so damn roostery and arrogant, but I think he's being way too reckless and roostery and arrogant for me to believe he's the new Gus.  He's not.  Mike pointed it out.  We've already seen in the opening scene that he goes off the hinges.   I can't see Walt having some higher up counterpart in the DEA.  When would Walt have made that connection?

I do believe Mike has someone in the DEA.  Possibly Gomez.  How else could he call Lydia to warn her about the DEA coming to her office? 

But then again, if Hank is being promoted to be kept out of the Fringe investigation, then maybe Mike - or Walt if you want - has someone way up in the DEA.  More likely Mike since he has connections everywhere.

Don't forget that Mike was describe in an earlier season as THE guy to have on your side if you want a hitman running security in your drug cartel.

No doubt. Either way, I think it was a setup job to get Hank out of the fray. Somebody def knows SOMEBODY up high. When the DEA guy gave the job pitch to Hank, it was very generic and spontaneous. Sounded arranged.

WHAT IF Walt is as badass as he thinks and we are not seeing it? Could there be shoot we don't know? Hard to think he would be this roostery without having the armor to back it up. He's smart and knows better than that. This has gotten seriously complex. I like!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 06, 2012, 03:44:42 PM
I can't see Walt having some higher up counterpart in the DEA.  When would Walt have made that connection?

I do believe Mike has someone in the DEA.  Possibly Gomez.  How else could he call Lydia to warn her about the DEA coming to her office? 

But then again, if Hank is being promoted to be kept out of the Fringe investigation, then maybe Mike - or Walt if you want - has someone way up in the DEA.  More likely Mike since he has connections everywhere.

Don't forget that Mike was describe in an earlier season as THE guy to have on your side if you want a hitman running security in your drug cartel.

I don't remember, but didn't the scene where Mike, Walt, and Jesse are discussing whether to kill Lydia occur before the scene with Hank's promotion?

If so, then maybe it's Mike who was able to get the promotion for Hank with Walt as the mastermind who suggested the plan.  It was never explained how Fring got in with the DEA, other than he had several of the agents over to his place, donated money, etc.  Mike is a former cop, so maybe Mike got Fring the connection with the DEA?  And maybe Mike has someone on the inside that kept the heat off Fring's ass for all those years?

Like I said, it seems like it would be difficult for them to explain, because like you said, Walt doesn't have connections with the DEA and hasn't had the time to develop them.  But I could see Mike somehow being involved, especially since we have no clue what the plan is that he, Jesse, and Walt discussed.

Let's not forget that the last time they wanted Hank out of the picture, they tried to kill him.  Granted, this directive was from Gus, not Mike, and it was Gus allowing the Juarez Cartel to kill Hank only because they wanted to kill Walt instead.  At any rate, I feel like Walt had something to do with the promotion, as previous indicators suggest that anyone else would have just killed Hank to get him out of the picture.  Walt, being the brother-in-law of Hank, would show more compassion and would come up with something similar to this promotion as a means of safely getting him out of the picture.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
I don't remember, but didn't the scene where Mike, Walt, and Jesse are discussing whether to kill Lydia occur before the scene with Hank's promotion?

If so, then maybe it's Mike who was able to get the promotion for Hank with Walt as the mastermind who suggested the plan.  It was never explained how Fring got in with the DEA, other than he had several of the agents over to his place, donated money, etc.  Mike is a former cop, so maybe Mike got Fring the connection with the DEA?  And maybe Mike has someone on the inside that kept the heat off Fring's ass for all those years?

Like I said, it seems like it would be difficult for them to explain, because like you said, Walt doesn't have connections with the DEA and hasn't had the time to develop them.  But I could see Mike somehow being involved, especially since we have no clue what the plan is that he, Jesse, and Walt discussed.

Let's not forget that the last time they wanted Hank out of the picture, they tried to kill him.  Granted, this directive was from Gus, not Mike, and it was Gus allowing the Juarez Cartel to kill Hank only because they wanted to kill Walt instead.  At any rate, I feel like Walt had something to do with the promotion, as previous indicators suggest that anyone else would have just killed Hank to get him out of the picture.  Walt, being the brother-in-law of Hank, would show more compassion and would come up with something similar to this promotion as a means of safely getting him out of the picture.

True. All of it.

Also remember when Hank got the short term El paso gig the first time all of a sudden? Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 06, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Spoiler alert.  Stop reading if you haven't seen the most recent episode and don't want to know anything about it.

Nope. Don't think your theory holds water or any other liquid. 

Walt a "mastermind"?  You shootting me?  Walt is typically a step or two behind.  He doesn't plan or plot -- at least until he plotted to kill Chicken Man -- he typically only reacts.  For the majority of four seasons he flailed and thrashed and bumbled his way through every situation, making rash decisions on the spur of the moment.  The only planning he's been capable of is the decision to manipulate Jesse and gain his loyalty by poisoning the kid and putting it on Chicken Man and the (completely illogical and unrealistic) scheme to use the old guy from Oz to waste the Chicken Dude. 

No way in hell he's found a way to manipulate the DEA.

I didn't dislike the episode, but the character actions are suspect.  Forgive the Sopranos reference bitches (although I feel better making it having read Gilligan compare Walt's character to Tony in a recent interview), but this sort of feels like Sopranos Season 6. Things get swollen and almost caricature-ish as the plots stretch the bounds of believability.

Skyler wandering into the pool?  fudge that cow.  Wish she'd drowned herself.  Her horribly shootty acting, her fat ass and pinched up face destroys what's actually a pretty good performance by Cranston.  He just can't get the right tone of controlled fury when he's having to interact with that sea slug whore.  I hate her.

Hank "knows"?  Horseshoot.  Like Walt, he's two or three steps behind, blundering through the investigation. 

This episode illustrated Walt's complete conversion to the other side.  Whatever humanity he had left is gone, he's fully immersed in the life.  And completely (completely) unaware of just how ill-prepared he is to survive it. 

He's escaped all these situations before mostly by sheer luck.  Some of the escapes were absolutely ludicrous BTW.  He's still around due to serendipity and mistakes that for skill. 

Jesse, who wasn't supposed to survive the first season, is the last chance for redemption.   

You're all overthinking it.  The show isn't that complicated. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2012, 10:20:15 PM
Nope. Don't think your theory holds water or any other liquid. 

Walt a "mastermind"?  You shootting me?  Walt is typically a step or two behind.  He doesn't plan or plot -- at least until he plotted to kill Chicken Man -- he typically only reacts.  For the majority of four seasons he flailed and thrashed and bumbled his way through every situation, making rash decisions on the spur of the moment.  The only planning he's been capable of is the decision to manipulate Jesse and gain his loyalty by poisoning the kid and putting it on Chicken Man and the (completely illogical and unrealistic) scheme to use the old guy from Oz to waste the Chicken Dude. 

No way in hell he's found a way to manipulate the DEA.

I didn't dislike the episode, but the character actions are suspect.  Forgive the Sopranos reference bitches (although I feel better making it having read Gilligan compare Walt's character to Tony in a recent interview), but this sort of feels like Sopranos Season 6. Things get swollen and almost caricature-ish as the plots stretch the bounds of believability.

Skyler wandering into the pool?  fudge that cow.  Wish she'd drowned herself.  Her horribly shootty acting, her fat ass and pinched up face destroys what's actually a pretty good performance by Cranston.  He just can't get the right tone of controlled fury when he's having to interact with that sea slug whore.  I hate her.

Hank "knows"?  Horseshoot.  Like Walt, he's two or three steps behind, blundering through the investigation. 

This episode illustrated Walt's complete conversion to the other side.  Whatever humanity he had left is gone, he's fully immersed in the life.  And completely (completely) unaware of just how ill-prepared he is to survive it. 

He's escaped all these situations before mostly by sheer luck.  Some of the escapes were absolutely ludicrous BTW.  He's still around due to serendipity and mistakes that for skill. 

Jesse, who wasn't supposed to survive the first season, is the last chance for redemption.   

You're all overthinking it.  The show isn't that complicated.

Not manipulate the DEA, but money talks. And its apparent Gus has someone already. It would make sense.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 06, 2012, 11:01:57 PM
Not manipulate the DEA, but money talks. And its apparent Gus has someone already. It would make sense.

How does that make sense?  Money talks?  Jesse had to front the money to get the process geared up again.   Walt had no money.  He was a broke ass bitch.

Gus spent 20 years cultivating his connections.  Walt's been in the life for a year, over half of that he spent cowering and running like a bitch. 

Gus also made his connections as a legitimate businessman.  He was a philanthropist who made the rounds and shook hands.  Did he have somebody inside?  Probably.  Maybe. 

For Walt to have the DEA control you'd have to make the assumption that Gus passed that information on to Walt -- which never would have happened.  He didn't trust him enough to EVER do that. 

And if Mike does have upper level connections you can bet your ass he hasn't passed that on either.  Why would he? 

Walt's euphoric roosteriness isn't from any DEA control, it's from his own belief that he's immortal.  Survived cancer Turooster, Crazy 8, Jesse, Gus, Mike, the Cartel, the old fudge -- all by raw luck, but he believes he's reached total invulnerability.  Can't be touched.  The pool scene reinforced that.  Going over all the hard times and how he's beaten them. 

Walt thinks he's won.  He's in charge and all his obstacles are behind him.  Don't fudge with Walt because he doesn't give a shoot.  That goes for Skyler, too.

Wish she'd drowned.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 07, 2012, 10:18:55 AM
How does that make sense?  Money talks?  Jesse had to front the money to get the process geared up again.   Walt had no money.  He was a broke ass bitch.

Gus spent 20 years cultivating his connections.  Walt's been in the life for a year, over half of that he spent cowering and running like a bitch. 

Gus also made his connections as a legitimate businessman.  He was a philanthropist who made the rounds and shook hands.  Did he have somebody inside?  Probably.  Maybe. 

For Walt to have the DEA control you'd have to make the assumption that Gus passed that information on to Walt -- which never would have happened.  He didn't trust him enough to EVER do that. 

And if Mike does have upper level connections you can bet your ass he hasn't passed that on either.  Why would he? 

Walt's euphoric roosteriness isn't from any DEA control, it's from his own belief that he's immortal.  Survived cancer Turooster, Crazy 8, Jesse, Gus, Mike, the Cartel, the old fudge -- all by raw luck, but he believes he's reached total invulnerability.  Can't be touched.  The pool scene reinforced that.  Going over all the hard times and how he's beaten them. 

Walt thinks he's won.  He's in charge and all his obstacles are behind him.  Don't fudge with Walt because he doesn't give a shoot.  That goes for Skyler, too.

Wish she'd drowned.

Mike is more who I am thinking has the connections, just thinking Walt had the idea and USED Mike. There is a reason Gus had Mike around. The guy is good.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 07, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
It's dark in there
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 07, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
Jesse has the connections. He is working with the DEA and the watch that he gave to Walt is bugged.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 08, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
Jesse has the connections. He is working with the DEA and the watch that he gave to Walt is bugged.

Not sure if you are serious on this theory, but interesting.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 12:33:09 PM
Overthinking it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 08, 2012, 02:47:01 PM
Overthinking it.

After watching the first 3 seasons and attemting to guess what would happen next, I wouldn't quite say we are all overthinking it. We may be wrong in the end but this show's plot (so far) does have the element of surprise.

You also liked Magic Mike and Matty Mac dancing on a pole and said Joe Pa was an innocent bystander in the Penn State saga last fall. I'm not exactly going to take your taste and predictions and run to Vegas with 20K.

Hey, did you know that the Sopranos is a cheap knock off of The Godfather?

Now, go eat a tomato infested bag o richards and let us enjoy the useless predicting of this show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 08, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Even Vince Gilligan hasn't thought about it this much.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/vince-gilligan-breaking-bad?page=2

Quote from: Vince Gilligan
My writers and I are sitting down to break the final eight episodes now . . . We have quite a bit figured out, but you would be surprised perhaps how little we do have figured out.  Because you want to dot all of the i’s and cross all of the t’s and make sure you’re not forgetting anything major, but also because you want to stay as flexible as you can for as long as you can when coming up with these stories.  You want to stay open to better ideas as they come down the pike.

To that end, I think things about the ending of 'Breaking Bad' are going to hew pretty close to ideas I had from day one . . . But I most certainly did not have the whole thing figured out from Day One. And there’s quite a bit left to figure out, so there’s a lot of invention left to us to come up with before it’s all done.



Also:

Quote from: Vince Gilligan
I would love to see a Saul Goodman spinoff . . . I can’t say that it is genuinely in the works at this moment, but certainly Bob Odenkirk and I have talked about it a little bit. I can’t promise that it will ever happen, but I think I personally, as fan number one of this world, meaning the first one to partake of these plot moments and whatnot, I personally would love to tune in and see a good Saul Goodman show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2012, 09:40:37 PM

Hey, did you know that the Sopranos is a cheap knock off of The Godfather?


Yes.  Yes I did.  Godfather is my favorite movie of all time. 

Sopranos took elements of that, changed them around and ran with it.  Never hid the fact that it was an homage to Godfather right down to the use of oranges to foreshadow a death (or attempted death).  What was shattered when the two thugs took a shot at Tony?  A bottle of OJ. 

Not a criticism but BB isn't as deep.  I've yet to be truly surprised or awed by the storytelling.  Part of that is the cast. Walt is strong.  Gus was strong.  Jesse is decent.  The rest are really pretty weak.  Part of it may be the limits of A&E.  I've been waiting on a true WTF moment and there just hasn't been one. 

I had people tell me for weeks "wait until you see the turtle scene, it'll blow your mind."  After?  I was like -- really? That's it? They wasted a good actor, his motivations were never truly fleshed out, his character just popped in from nowhere and then that? 

Let's make a heirarchy chart: 

1) Godfather: The juxtaposition of the baptism and Michael settling all family business.  An absolutely masterful scene, nearly perfect in every way. 
2) Sopranos: Several to choose from, but the scene where Tony kills the turncoat rat in College was outstanding. Allowing the lead character to do something that reprehensible was a relative unknown. HBO balked and tried to get the scene killed, they were afraid people would turn away if they didn't have somebody to "root for"  David Chase stuck to his guns and the rest is history. That scene paved the way and made Walt possible.  But it's not as good as the baptism scene in Godfather.
3) BB: I am the danger.  Good scene, well orchestrated. 

You people are confused.  I like the show.  It compares favorably to my favorite TV show ever.  It has some good performances (skyler not among them, I loathe that bloated fudgeing cow).  I like the dynamic between Jesse and Walt (precisely BECAUSE it is very Tony/Chris in the way it plays out, so much so that it's almost an "alternate ending" if you will to the actual Tony/Chris storyline). 

There will never be another Godfather.  There will never be another Sopranos.  Doesn't mean I can't or don't appreciate shows that try, like this one. 

I have my own critiques, one of which is that it's not as deep (to me) as some want to make it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
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Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 09, 2012, 10:00:30 AM
Yes.  Yes I did.  Godfather is my favorite movie of all time. 

Sopranos took elements of that, changed them around and ran with it.  Never hid the fact that it was an homage to Godfather right down to the use of oranges to foreshadow a death (or attempted death).  What was shattered when the two thugs took a shot at Tony?  A bottle of OJ. 

Not a criticism but BB isn't as deep.  I've yet to be truly surprised or awed by the storytelling.  Part of that is the cast. Walt is strong.  Gus was strong.  Jesse is decent.  The rest are really pretty weak.  Part of it may be the limits of A&E.  I've been waiting on a true WTF moment and there just hasn't been one. 

I had people tell me for weeks "wait until you see the turtle scene, it'll blow your mind."  After?  I was like -- really? That's it? They wasted a good actor, his motivations were never truly fleshed out, his character just popped in from nowhere and then that? 

Let's make a heirarchy chart: 

1) Godfather: The juxtaposition of the baptism and Michael settling all family business.  An absolutely masterful scene, nearly perfect in every way. 
2) Sopranos: Several to choose from, but the scene where Tony kills the turncoat rat in College was outstanding. Allowing the lead character to do something that reprehensible was a relative unknown. HBO balked and tried to get the scene killed, they were afraid people would turn away if they didn't have somebody to "root for"  David Chase stuck to his guns and the rest is history. That scene paved the way and made Walt possible.  But it's not as good as the baptism scene in Godfather.
3) BB: I am the danger.  Good scene, well orchestrated. 

You people are confused.  I like the show.  It compares favorably to my favorite TV show ever.  It has some good performances (skyler not among them, I loathe that bloated fudgeing cow).  I like the dynamic between Jesse and Walt (precisely BECAUSE it is very Tony/Chris in the way it plays out, so much so that it's almost an "alternate ending" if you will to the actual Tony/Chris storyline). 

There will never be another Godfather.  There will never be another Sopranos.  Doesn't mean I can't or don't appreciate shows that try, like this one. 

I have my own critiques, one of which is that it's not as deep (to me) as some want to make it.

Love the Godfather. Watched it again Sunday.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 13, 2012, 01:12:06 PM
Sooooo, Todd killed a kid.  With a gloved hand.  Using a pistol.  One shot to the head from at least 30 meters away. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 13, 2012, 01:22:43 PM
Sooooo, Todd killed a kid.  With a gloved hand.  Using a pistol.  One shot to the head from at least 30 meters away.

Until that happened, I was a little pissed that the episode (which had such a far fetched idea of robbing a train of meth.) was too wrapped up in a nice bow. I was watching for something to go wrong and it did.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 13, 2012, 01:29:12 PM
Sooooo, Todd killed a kid.  With a gloved hand.  Using a pistol.  One shot to the head from at least 30 meters away.

Ehhh...

Like the fact that Jesse is turning into the smart one, able to see the solution to problems while Walt and Mike bicker like old gay lovers.

Liked Lydia as the blacksmith in A Knight's Tale. 

The stealing from the train scenario was inspired.  Thought that was well done, well acted and well paced. 

I still hate Skyler with the passion of a thousand burning suns. She's a shootty actress and her character is a mommy part.  Should have let her drown.  Now would be a good time to accidentally overdose her ass and get her out of the picture. 

Any and all of the at-home scenes are now just wasted.  I want to turn the channel any time I see Skyler, Gimp Jr., Baby or Marie.  I could give a shoot about any of them.  Also, whatever happened to the big Marie is a klepto storyline from a season or two back?  She just cured now and that whole setup was for nothing?

Wouldn't the DEA do regular bug sweeps of their offices?  Wouldn't they have detection devices in place?  Just saying. 

And where's Saul?  Need more Saul less Skyler, less Marie, less Gimpy McGimperson, less dumbass Hank.

I read the article where Vince says they're sort of making it up as they go along (as opposed to Sopranos which was done from start to finish in David Chase's head before the first episode aired and it showed in perpetual tautness -- with the exception of the HBO mandated bloated Season Six).  There are times I think that sort of reckless storytelling shows up in this series.  Sometimes it feels like they were sitting around and went "Oh, hell.. what if..." and then wrote an episode that was only loosely connected to the rest of the arc. 

Anyway, the train sequence was enough to carry this episode.  Was a good one.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 13, 2012, 01:34:25 PM
Ehhh...

Like the fact that Jesse is turning into the smart one, able to see the solution to problems while Walt and Mike bicker like old gay lovers.

Liked Lydia as the blacksmith in A Knight's Tale. 

The stealing from the train scenario was inspired.  Thought that was well done, well acted and well paced. 

I still hate Skyler with the passion of a thousand burning suns. She's a shootty actress and her character is a mommy part.  Should have let her drown.  Now would be a good time to accidentally overdose her ass and get her out of the picture. 

Any and all of the at-home scenes are now just wasted.  I want to turn the channel any time I see Skyler, Gimp Jr., Baby or Marie.  I could give a shoot about any of them.  Also, whatever happened to the big Marie is a klepto storyline from a season or two back?  She just cured now and that whole setup was for nothing?

Wouldn't the DEA do regular bug sweeps of their offices?  Wouldn't they have detection devices in place?  Just saying. 

And where's Saul?  Need more Saul less Skyler, less Marie, less Gimpy McGimperson, less dumbass Hank.

I read the article where Vince says they're sort of making it up as they go along (as opposed to Sopranos which was done from start to finish in David Chase's head before the first episode aired and it showed in perpetual tautness -- with the exception of the HBO mandated bloated Season Six).  There are times I think that sort of reckless storytelling shows up in this series.  Sometimes it feels like they were sitting around and went "Oh, hell.. what if..." and then wrote an episode that was only loosely connected to the rest of the arc. 

Anyway, the train sequence was enough to carry this episode.  Was a good one.

See, I thought just the opposite of this one. It was too far fetched and could only be pulled off in a tv show. I just wasn't buying the Lydia pleading angle or them unloading the train car. All that just happened too easy. Ya think what they unloaded MAY NOT be meth? Just a thought.

Agree on Saul. We need more of him.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 13, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
See, I thought just the opposite of this one. It was too far fetched and could only be pulled off in a tv show. I just wasn't buying the Lydia pleading angle or them unloading the train car. All that just happened too easy. Ya think what they unloaded MAY NOT be meth? Just a thought.

Agree on Saul. We need more of him.

It was very unrealistic, but it was good enough to continue the love for the show. 

The "Jesse is the smart one" angle isn't one I particularly enjoy although I'm sure they're setting up a break up between Jesse and Walt.

Walt is primarily concerned with being king...or Emperor if you watched the preview.  He doesn't care about meth.  He doesn't care about money.  He cares about his pride. 

Jesse wants to make money selling meth, and the business of making and selling meth is a fun activity for him.  He doesn't want to see people die for it.  Definitely not a kid. 

And where is Saul?  And the Mexican cartels which definitely aren't going to go away just because Gus and Don Eladio are dead? 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 13, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
See, I thought just the opposite of this one. It was too far fetched and could only be pulled off in a tv show. I just wasn't buying the Lydia pleading angle or them unloading the train car. All that just happened too easy. Ya think what they unloaded MAY NOT be meth? Just a thought.

Agree on Saul. We need more of him.

The reality of whether it could happen or not was irrelevant to me.  I was looking only at the relative entertainment value. 

I watched that stupid Ghost Protocol movie over the weekend.  Can a man REALLY leap out of a car going 100 mph, roll once and pop up to start running?  Can a guy have a head on collision at 100 mph, flip the car twice and be off and running down the street ten seconds later?  Can somebody really drive a car off a 100-foot drop and survive the fall in suffificent physical and mental shape to work on a computer? 

For that matter could anybody really live through the shoot that routinely happens in Bourne movies, Indiana Jones movies, Rambo movies, Rocky movies and so on?  Pffffttttt.  Hell no. 

When you're talking about things that are far-fetched and unrealistic on Breaking Bad, I submit that the very fact that Walt is alive is more far-fetched than any train theft.  In the real world, Tuco, Crazy 8, Gus, the Cartel and eight or nine other people would have killed his naive ass years ago.  He might have lived three weeks. 

It's easier for me to accept that they could rob a train than it is for me to accept that he wasn't killed the first day he started cooking. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 13, 2012, 02:24:07 PM
The reality of whether it could happen or not was irrelevant to me.  I was looking only at the relative entertainment value. 

I watched that stupid Ghost Protocol movie over the weekend.  Can a man REALLY leap out of a car going 100 mph, roll once and pop up to start running?  Can a guy have a head on collision at 100 mph, flip the car twice and be off and running down the street ten seconds later?  Can somebody really drive a car off a 100-foot drop and survive the fall in suffificent physical and mental shape to work on a computer? 

For that matter could anybody really live through the shoot that routinely happens in Bourne movies, Indiana Jones movies, Rambo movies, Rocky movies and so on?  Pffffttttt.  Hell no. 

When you're talking about things that are far-fetched and unrealistic on Breaking Bad, I submit that the very fact that Walt is alive is more far-fetched than any train theft.  In the real world, Tuco, Crazy 8, Gus, the Cartel and eight or nine other people would have killed his naive ass years ago.  He might have lived three weeks. 

It's easier for me to accept that they could rob a train than it is for me to accept that he wasn't killed the first day he started cooking.

I expect that in a shootty action movie with Cruise.

And yeah, the whole show has gotten further than it ever shouldve but the train heist just really was out there. How it was pulled off just perfectly just in time. I really would like to know what the fall out, if any, is from it. Not enough water pumped back in, something not screwed back on right, not meth, the kid being shot, etc. I was just looking for something to get fudgeed up before the end credits.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 13, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
Neither Walt nor Mike have the DEA connection.  That's a holdover from the Gus days, and someone is getting nervous that Hank is sniffing around a little too well.  I theorized a while back that Gus had a high-ranking buddy in the DEA...we're about to find out who it is.

Skylar sucks, but the pool incident wasn't a psychotic break, she planned it and got the intended result: the kids are out of the house.

Todd is an interesting guy.  Violates Mike's rules about speaking to Jesse and Walt (nanny-cam) and then whips out a pistol and expertly, without hesitation, shoots a kid.  He's not just some low-level B&E expert.  His bosses are going to see that Walt and Jesse have potential, but are small-timing.  There will be a job offer and it might possibly tie in with the DEA bigwig.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 13, 2012, 09:31:45 PM
Neither Walt nor Mike have the DEA connection.  That's a holdover from the Gus days, and someone is getting nervous that Hank is sniffing around a little too well.  I theorized a while back that Gus had a high-ranking buddy in the DEA...we're about to find out who it is.

Holdover from where?  Lydia doesn't seem to have anyone who's able to protect her and she's being investigated by the DEA.  As the previous supplier of Gus, wouldn't someone who was a holdover from Gus's operation try to protect the supplier before protecting the guy who destroyed your operation?

The only way I can think that this might work is if Gus's connection is still in contact with Mike, and their ultimate plan is to make Walt think he's working for himself when, in actuality, he's making money for someone else just like he did with Gus.  Because Walt has a history of killing his employers, the only way to employ Walt and not encounter issues is to not have him know about his own employment.  It's possible that Mike is taking more money out than is needed for the hush money, and is secretly paying Gus's connection.

But, based upon the most recent preview, I doubt this is the case.  If Mike is involved with the DEA connection, then the DEA wouldn't be tailing him like the preview showed.

If Gus's DEA contact is not being paid for Walt's work, then I see no reason why they would bother to protect Walt.  I don't see how discovering Walt's operation would uncover the DEA contact's dealings with Gus, as there shouldn't be any evidence linking Walt and any DEA agent (other than Hank, of course).

Todd is an interesting guy.  Violates Mike's rules about speaking to Jesse and Walt (nanny-cam) and then whips out a pistol and expertly, without hesitation, shoots a kid.  He's not just some low-level B&E expert.  His bosses are going to see that Walt and Jesse have potential, but are small-timing.  There will be a job offer and it might possibly tie in with the DEA bigwig.

I'm not sure about that.  Saul had represented the Vamonos Pest company for five years.  Had the company been under the control of some mob boss, then Saul probably wouldn't have suggested it.  Afterall, you can't just come in and buy a company out from under an organized crime ring.

One possible way around that is to presume that Saul wanted to get back at Walt for putting him in his place and effectively enslaving him through fear.  If Vamonos Pest is operated by some mob boss, then Walt would be confronted and potentially taken out, solving Saul's problem.  But then why would Saul suggest numerous other potential covers before bringing him to Vamonos Pest?  That wouldn't fit either.

But, I do definitely think there will be something revealed about Todd.  I recall that Hank asked Junior if he wanted to watch Heat.  Correspondingly, that movie involved a botched heist due to a new team member who turned out to be something that none of them knew about.  And the heist was botched because he shot a guard.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 14, 2012, 10:02:41 AM
Holdover from where?  Lydia doesn't seem to have anyone who's able to protect her and she's being investigated by the DEA.  As the previous supplier of Gus, wouldn't someone who was a holdover from Gus's operation try to protect the supplier before protecting the guy who destroyed your operation?

The only way I can think that this might work is if Gus's connection is still in contact with Mike, and their ultimate plan is to make Walt think he's working for himself when, in actuality, he's making money for someone else just like he did with Gus.  Because Walt has a history of killing his employers, the only way to employ Walt and not encounter issues is to not have him know about his own employment.  It's possible that Mike is taking more money out than is needed for the hush money, and is secretly paying Gus's connection.

But, based upon the most recent preview, I doubt this is the case.  If Mike is involved with the DEA connection, then the DEA wouldn't be tailing him like the preview showed.

If Gus's DEA contact is not being paid for Walt's work, then I see no reason why they would bother to protect Walt.  I don't see how discovering Walt's operation would uncover the DEA contact's dealings with Gus, as there shouldn't be any evidence linking Walt and any DEA agent (other than Hank, of course).



Good stuff, and I really don't know what to think about it all.  Could be that Gus's DEA connection is in contact with Saul...who is in contact with Mike so that the money train keeps rolling.  I just don't think that Mike is dialed into the DEA, he's got too much negative criminal baggage. 

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I'm not sure about that.  Saul had represented the Vamonos Pest company for five years.  Had the company been under the control of some mob boss, then Saul probably wouldn't have suggested it.  Afterall, you can't just come in and buy a company out from under an organized crime ring.

One possible way around that is to presume that Saul wanted to get back at Walt for putting him in his place and effectively enslaving him through fear.  If Vamonos Pest is operated by some mob boss, then Walt would be confronted and potentially taken out, solving Saul's problem.  But then why would Saul suggest numerous other potential covers before bringing him to Vamonos Pest?  That wouldn't fit either.

But, I do definitely think there will be something revealed about Todd.  I recall that Hank asked Junior if he wanted to watch Heat.  Correspondingly, that movie involved a botched heist due to a new team member who turned out to be something that none of them knew about.  And the heist was botched because he shot a guard.

Yeah, I'm stretching with the Vamanos angle.  Just don't have enough info yet to make any educated guesses.  Good point about the "Heat" tie-in.  I hadn't considered that.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 14, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
I think you're still thinking about it more than the show's creator/writer even has. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on August 14, 2012, 12:32:28 PM
I think you're still thinking about it more than the show's creator/writer even has.

Your repetitive and unhelpful contribution is duly noted.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 14, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
Anyone else think this first 8 of the final season is mainly setting up Walt's empire? 

He's being separated from his family.  The kids are out, and Skylar is becoming more like a zombie.

He's taking full control of the operation.  We see how they're going to cook.  They've gotten the Methlymine.  Mike wants out and Todd could be the hitman. 

If you watched the season 5 preview before the first episode, you probably noticed Jesse partying with Puff Daddy.  I doubt Jesse can party with Puff Daddy at this point right now.  Even if PDiddy isn't playing himself but just another rich drug dealer/millionaire, Jesse still isn't in position to party with anyone right now. 

So the season is definitely on point to put Walt and Jesse at the pinnacle of success.  There's only three episodes left.  I can't see them suddenly deviating from the current plot right before the mini-season finale. 

Further, we know that season 5 part 2 includes Walt's 52nd birthday.  I highly doubt - especially with the pace the show has had in its existence - that they suddenly jump ahead a year within three episodes.

So if I had to guess, I'd say that Walt and Jesse finish this mini-season by establishing themselves as the meth empire and episode 9 takes place after a long period of sustained success with Walt and Jesse. 

Then part ii of season 5 is Walt's undoing and it will probably be very similar to Gus's undoing. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 14, 2012, 01:39:35 PM
I think you're still thinking about it more than the show's creator/writer even has.

Yes, for the 12th time - we know.  What the hell do you care?

Now shut the fudge up and let us get back to discussing things that may or may not be happening.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 14, 2012, 01:42:01 PM
Anyone else think this first 8 of the final season is mainly setting up Walt's empire? 

He's being separated from his family.  The kids are out, and Skylar is becoming more like a zombie.

He's taking full control of the operation.  We see how they're going to cook.  They've gotten the Methlymine.  Mike wants out and Todd could be the hitman. 

If you watched the season 5 preview before the first episode, you probably noticed Jesse partying with Puff Daddy.  I doubt Jesse can party with Puff Daddy at this point right now.  Even if PDiddy isn't playing himself but just another rich drug dealer/millionaire, Jesse still isn't in position to party with anyone right now. 

So the season is definitely on point to put Walt and Jesse at the pinnacle of success.  There's only three episodes left.  I can't see them suddenly deviating from the current plot right before the mini-season finale. 

Further, we know that season 5 part 2 includes Walt's 52nd birthday.  I highly doubt - especially with the pace the show has had in its existence - that they suddenly jump ahead a year within three episodes.

So if I had to guess, I'd say that Walt and Jesse finish this mini-season by establishing themselves as the meth empire and episode 9 takes place after a long period of sustained success with Walt and Jesse. 

Then part ii of season 5 is Walt's undoing and it will probably be very similar to Gus's undoing.

Good theory and not too far out there either.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 14, 2012, 02:00:04 PM
Yes, for the 12th time - we know.  What the hell do you care?

Now shut the fudge up and let us get back to discussing things that may or may not be happening.

No.  And no. 

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 14, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
No.  And no.

Shouldn't you be jerking off to Michael Corleone shooting it up in a resturaunt?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 14, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
Anyone else think this first 8 of the final season is mainly setting up Walt's empire? 

He's being separated from his family.  The kids are out, and Skylar is becoming more like a zombie.

He's taking full control of the operation.  We see how they're going to cook.  They've gotten the Methlymine.  Mike wants out and Todd could be the hitman. 

If you watched the season 5 preview before the first episode, you probably noticed Jesse partying with Puff Daddy.  I doubt Jesse can party with Puff Daddy at this point right now.  Even if PDiddy isn't playing himself but just another rich drug dealer/millionaire, Jesse still isn't in position to party with anyone right now. 

So the season is definitely on point to put Walt and Jesse at the pinnacle of success.  There's only three episodes left.  I can't see them suddenly deviating from the current plot right before the mini-season finale. 

Further, we know that season 5 part 2 includes Walt's 52nd birthday.  I highly doubt - especially with the pace the show has had in its existence - that they suddenly jump ahead a year within three episodes.

So if I had to guess, I'd say that Walt and Jesse finish this mini-season by establishing themselves as the meth empire and episode 9 takes place after a long period of sustained success with Walt and Jesse. 

Then part ii of season 5 is Walt's undoing and it will probably be very similar to Gus's undoing.

They've only got three episodes remaining for this current "season," and they haven't really established anything close to an empire yet.  I think it might be a little rushed if they try to establish an empire in the remaining three episodes.

Additionally, the name of the next episode is "Buyout,"  which suggests that there will be someone wanting to buy Walt's business, or someone wanting to get out of Walt's business.  Or the episode title could be referring to a non-obvious form of a buyout, but on its face, it appears to suggest that the business will continue to undergo growing pains.

Don't forget that the kid being shot was the culmination of the last episode.  That is likely going to present problems that they will have to resolve during the next episode, if not the entirety of the remaining episodes for this season.

If they're going to have Walt creating an empire, then I could see them alluding to that for the very last episode of this season, and then have some time pass between that episode and the first episode of next season, but I don't see them showing the full growth of Walt's empire by the end of this season.  There's still too much that needs to be resolved in a short amount of time.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
Last night's episode meandered too long before arriving at a tight conclusion. 

Was good to see Walter finally arrive at the delayed motivation.  While things may have originally been about getting enough cash to help the family survive his demise, that motivation changed when he was subjected to the wealth and opulence of the folks at Gray Matter.

Jealousy.  Base emotion and the only thing that matters. But does it resonate?  Does it feel like the truth?  I don't know.

I liked the dinner scene.  it was horribly uncomfortable. 

I liked the final scene. 

I really felt like the rest was sort of slapdash.  It didn't really connect.  The death of the kid was just brushed over too quickly.   It seemed like a series of scenes as opposed to a cohesive story. 

I still wonder if they thought up the jealousy angle last week or if it was part of an overall master plan.  It felt a little forced. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 20, 2012, 07:26:02 PM
Last night's episode meandered too long before arriving at a tight conclusion. 

Was good to see Walter finally arrive at the delayed motivation.  While things may have originally been about getting enough cash to help the family survive his demise, that motivation changed when he was subjected to the wealth and opulence of the folks at Gray Matter.

Jealousy.  Base emotion and the only thing that matters. But does it resonate?  Does it feel like the truth?  I don't know.

I liked the dinner scene.  it was horribly uncomfortable. 

I liked the final scene. 

I really felt like the rest was sort of slapdash.  It didn't really connect.  The death of the kid was just brushed over too quickly.   It seemed like a series of scenes as opposed to a cohesive story. 

I still wonder if they thought up the jealousy angle last week or if it was part of an overall master plan.  It felt a little forced.

He has talked about Grey Matter before and shown resentment. Also, everyone here has thought that he wants to build a huge empire, so I am not sure how much of a stretch that is either. It has been stated several times in this thread that it isn't the money, it's the power that Walt is after.

I liked the "Is a Meth empire really something to be proud of" line....
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
He has talked about Grey Matter before and shown resentment. Also, everyone here has thought that he wants to build a huge empire, so I am not sure how much of a stretch that is either. It has been stated several times in this thread that it isn't the money, it's the power that Walt is after.

I liked the "Is a Meth empire really something to be proud of" line....

They've talked about Gray Matter before but he never explicitly expressed his resentment.  He'd always played it off like he had come to terms with it.

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 21, 2012, 09:49:50 AM
Also, everyone here has thought that he wants to build a huge empire, so I am not sure how much of a stretch that is either.

Yeah, but, but....we were all overthinking that. Remember?

I do agree that Walt has other things going on for motivation besides money as well. Its pretty apparent now. Its something for him to cling to with his cancer and all. And at the same time, it helps him finish something he started with Grey Matter. He has a couple of axes to grind here. If it were 100% about the money, he would have sold out his 1/3 of the Meth to the buyer.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 21, 2012, 10:10:55 AM
At this point, is anyone even routing for Walt? It's like watching a train wreck.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 23, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 23, 2012, 09:35:54 PM
At this point, is anyone even routing for Walt? It's like watching a train wreck.

Nope. 

And I think that may be the point.  He's the anti-hero, and the more we watch, the more we realize that every other character has a good heart or at least a positive quality we can admire.

Mike is in it for his granddaughter.

Skylar feels trapped and is terrified for her children.

Jesse's a troubled, lost young man who is trying the best he can to find a good role model and a way to earn a good living.  He also has a heart for children and was a good boyfriend to that latin chick.

Walt?  Walt's in it for himself.  He's willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to satisfy his pride. 

I'm to the point where I want Walt to die, and the happy ending will include him attempting to use an assault rifle to take out those that stopped him, but in the end, he is mowed down like Pacino in Scarface. 

Also, this mini-season is bullshoot.  This is my favorite show of all time and I still love it, but what they're accomplishing in these eight episodes could have been done in four or five and left room for a big plot twist or something more interesting than what's happening.  I hate to say it, but the final season didn't need to be split into two mini-seasons; the people involved just wanted a way to make more money. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on August 23, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Nope. 

And I think that may be the point.  He's the anti-hero, and the more we watch, the more we realize that every other character has a good heart or at least a positive quality we can admire.

Mike is in it for his granddaughter.

Skylar feels trapped and is terrified for her children.

Jesse's a troubled, lost young man who is trying the best he can to find a good role model and a way to earn a good living.  He also has a heart for children and was a good boyfriend to that latin chick.

Walt?  Walt's in it for himself.  He's willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to satisfy his pride. 

I'm to the point where I want Walt to die, and the happy ending will include him attempting to use an assault rifle to take out those that stopped him, but in the end, he is mowed down like Pacino in Scarface. 

Also, this mini-season is bullshoot.  This is my favorite show of all time and I still love it, but what they're accomplishing in these eight episodes could have been done in four or five and left room for a big plot twist or something more interesting than what's happening.  I hate to say it, but the final season didn't need to be split into two mini-seasons; the people involved just wanted a way to make more money.

^^

See: Sopranos Season 6, Parts I and II. 

Same fudgeing deal.  Tony sliding further and further into the pit, dragging Carm and the kids with him.  Lost his moral compass. 

Been there before. 

If Walt kills Jesse when he realizes he can't rely on him (or out of convenience) then I will stop watching because they really have copied too much. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 24, 2012, 12:09:21 AM
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Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 24, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
^^

See: Sopranos Season 6, Parts I and II. 

Same fudgeing deal.  Tony sliding further and further into the pit, dragging Carm and the kids with him.  Lost his moral compass. 

Been there before. 

If Walt kills Jesse when he realizes he can't rely on him (or out of convenience) then I will stop watching because they really have copied too much.

Finally a parallel comparison I can agree with you on.

Although Season 6 of Sopranos is still better than most. It's good when a bad episode of a show is still better than others' best.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 24, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
I plan on watching The Sopranos after Breaking Bad's miniature season ends, so I wish you fudgeers would quit spoiling it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 24, 2012, 04:36:47 PM
I plan on watching The Sopranos after Breaking Bad's miniature season ends, so I wish you fudgeers would quit spoiling it.

Its not that Season 6 is bad, but they seem to cram a lot in and a lot of things felt forced, thats all. I won't give any plot info away to you. The series is well worth watching all the way through. Like BB, you have to pay close close attention to details and they will come back around later. Even in later seasons. K is right, it's very well done.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 27, 2012, 03:29:24 PM
Walt is digging himself quite the hole...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: GH2001 on August 27, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Walt is digging himself quite the hole...

Yeah, I def wasn't expecting that to happen.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 27, 2012, 06:18:05 PM
Walt is digging himself quite the hole...

In some ways he is digging a deeper hole, but he also doesn't appear to be leaving behind any evidence.

The gun he used wasn't his, and assuming he properly disposes of it, there won't be any evidence that it was his doing.  While the DEA found a way to get to Mike, there still aren't any obvious connections to Walt...yet.

I think ultimately that someone is going to have to turn on Walt in order for him to get caught by the DEA.  Or he slips up and gets caught.  But so far, I haven't see any major slip ups that have left evidence; Walt's been pretty careful about covering his tracks even when the shoot hits the fan.

It's possible that Walt will slip up and that no one will have to turn on him in order for him to be found out or killed.  I noticed that, for the first time I can recall, Walt admitted to missing a detail in this last episode.  While Mike sat in the grass, Walt stated that he forgot that he could have just gotten the names from Lydia.  Maybe this brief, small lapse in judgment is a sign that he will continue to overlook details and make larger mistakes in the remaining episodes.

But, if someone is going to turn on him and cause his downfall, Todd is a new possible rat or murderer.  Notice how he didn't want to be paid until he learned the cooking process?  He may be planning on turning Walt in or killing him once he figures out how to do the cook, and then turn the secrets over to the highest bidder.  I doubt Todd is already working for someone in the meth business, as he was simply a thief with Vamanos Pest before.  However, since working with Walt, maybe he's sought out connections?  Who knows...Todd's still a pretty big mystery, which means that he could turn out to not be trustworthy for any number of reasons.

Then there's Jesse, of course.  He wants out of the business, but Walt won't hand over his share.  Aside from Skyler, Jesse is now the character with the most incentive to get rid of Walt.  But I don't think he'll simply turn him in to the DEA, as that implicates him.  He'd have to get a sweetheart deal from the DEA to consider ratting Walt out, and even then, that would not get him his money.  Jesse would have to devise a smart plan to kill Walt and get his money.  Given the fact that Jesse has become more and more of an "idea guy" in recent episodes, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities.

They've got a lot of directions they can go with this, and they've left enough clues so that any of those directions are plausible.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 27, 2012, 06:25:53 PM
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It's possible that Walt will slip up

His slip up is that, as Mike said in episode 2 or 3, Walt is a ticking time bomb. 

He shot Mike out of anger.  There was absolutely no reason to shoot Mike at that moment.  You could tell Walt realized his mistake when he ran to Mike's car with a shocked look on his face. 

He needed the names, and Mike wouldn't give them up.  So Walt threw a temper tantrum and killed Mike.  How big of a temper tantrum will he throw when Todd proves to make dumbass, irrational mistakes and he realizes his family truly hates him and he discovers that being pushy with drug cartels isn't going to earn him billions? 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 27, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
9 guys are still out there that now won't get their money. At least one of those guys knows about Walt. Walt is going to have a lot of work to do to keep those guys from talking. Or he is going to have to keep paying them off.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 27, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
His slip up is that, as Mike said in episode 2 or 3, Walt is a ticking time bomb. 

He shot Mike out of anger.  There was absolutely no reason to shoot Mike at that moment.  You could tell Walt realized his mistake when he ran to Mike's car with a shocked look on his face. 

He needed the names, and Mike wouldn't give them up.  So Walt threw a temper tantrum and killed Mike.  How big of a temper tantrum will he throw when Todd proves to make dumbass, irrational mistakes and he realizes his family truly hates him and he discovers that being pushy with drug cartels isn't going to earn him billions?

Sure, Walt is showing signs that he may eventually slip up.  As I mentioned, when he realized that he could have gotten the names from Lydia, that was the first time that I can recall Walt realizing that he made a mistake.

But, he's covered that mistake up so far as we can tell.  The gun wasn't his, and assuming it is disposed of properly, no police department or agency would have any reason to implicate Walt.

I definitely agree that Walt is starting to show flaws in his judgment, but as of right now he's also covered his ass when it comes to any mistakes that he or others have made.

They're definitely foreshadowing that he might make bigger mistakes in the future, but who's to say that someone else won't take him out prior to him making a mistake that causes him to be discovered?  Maybe they end the show with Walt being killed prior to being discovered, and so he gets to die an innocent man in the public's eye.  Maybe Hank figures it out just as Walt gets killed, but decides to keep it to himself so as to not disgrace a father and former school teacher.

I definitely see where Walt is starting to lose control, but I don't think that necessarily means that he will do something to get caught.  There are plenty of characters who have the motive to cause Walt's demise before he does so himself.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 27, 2012, 06:35:57 PM
9 guys are still out there that now won't get their money. At least one of those guys knows about Walt. Walt is going to have a lot of work to do to keep those guys from talking. Or he is going to have to keep paying them off.

Now that you mention that, I recall Todd saying that he has prison connections.  Any chance that Walt tries to get Todd's connections to take out those guys?  It could explain the introduction of Todd.  But then again, so many things about him have not been explained that I still have no clue what his ultimate purpose in the show is going to be.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 27, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Now that you mention that, I recall Todd saying that he has prison connections.  Any chance that Walt tries to get Todd's connections to take out those guys?  It could explain the introduction of Todd.  But then again, so many things about him have not been explained that I still have no clue what his ultimate purpose in the show is going to be.

Spoiler alert from the preview:











They showed a guy getting knifed in a prison. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 28, 2012, 01:48:44 AM
Spoiler alert from the preview:











They showed a guy getting knifed in a prison.

I didn't watch that preview until now.  It didn't show who used the knife, so I think they may be trying to mislead the viewers into thinking that Walt will order Fring's men killed.

When you actually think about it, how would Walt order the simultaneous killing of multiple men in prison?  It would be extraordinarily difficult to be able to systematically kill them off without one of them realizing what's happening and deciding to talk for protection.

It could be that one of Fring's men voluntarily kills the one guy who offers to talk to the DEA as a sign of loyalty to Walt in hopes that they continue being paid.

I also noticed in the preview that Lydia is putting meth into a barrel, presumably at her business.  I am assuming that the DEA bugs are still on a barrel (or barrels), so Walt may be attempting to use those bugged barrels in order to frame someone else.  Once he's in the clear and can churn out his product without worry (at least in his mind), he'd be able to easily pay the remainder of the hush money.

Afterall, Mike was going to keep paying off those guys once he received a one-time payment of $5 million for his share of the methylamine.  The lawyer was putting $15,000 in each safe deposit box during each visit.  If Walt can turn 1,000 gallons of methylamine into $100 million, then he would have no problems paying those guys off, and thus shouldn't have to worry about trying to have 9 people killed in prison at once.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on September 03, 2012, 02:29:42 AM
Holy shoot. 

Outstanding episode to end the first half of the last season tonight.

Hank takes a shoot.  And just when I thought I was out...

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on September 03, 2012, 02:30:49 AM
I didn't watch that preview until now.  It didn't show who used the knife, so I think they may be trying to mislead the viewers into thinking that Walt will order Fring's men killed.

When you actually think about it, how would Walt order the simultaneous killing of multiple men in prison?  It would be extraordinarily difficult to be able to systematically kill them off without one of them realizing what's happening and deciding to talk for protection.

It could be that one of Fring's men voluntarily kills the one guy who offers to talk to the DEA as a sign of loyalty to Walt in hopes that they continue being paid.

I also noticed in the preview that Lydia is putting meth into a barrel, presumably at her business.  I am assuming that the DEA bugs are still on a barrel (or barrels), so Walt may be attempting to use those bugged barrels in order to frame someone else.  Once he's in the clear and can churn out his product without worry (at least in his mind), he'd be able to easily pay the remainder of the hush money.

Afterall, Mike was going to keep paying off those guys once he received a one-time payment of $5 million for his share of the methylamine.  The lawyer was putting $15,000 in each safe deposit box during each visit.  If Walt can turn 1,000 gallons of methylamine into $100 million, then he would have no problems paying those guys off, and thus shouldn't have to worry about trying to have 9 people killed in prison at once.

^^
Got every point wrong. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 03, 2012, 09:10:25 AM
Holy shoot. 

Great ending. 

But fudge AMC, Vince, Walter White, and Junior for splitting this into two separate seasons.  Right when it got interesting....

Crackpot theories:

GB = Gretchen Schwartz.  Schwartz is German for black.  Does Walt use this to buy some time while Hank investigates?

Are theories over with?  Is that a reason why the show is split?  It's all straight forward from here.  Walt is fudgeed.  His family is officially dissolved once Hank gets going.  The kids will be removed.  Skyler will be protected by the DEA thanks to her connection to Hank.  Jesse's back to using and will stay far away from Walt.  Mike's dead.  Lydia is frantic and erratic.  Oh, and Walt has cancer.

Anyways, some interesting pictures to drop your jaw at:

http://imgur.com/a/pZZGv
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: wesfau2 on September 03, 2012, 11:48:25 AM


GB = Gretchen Schwartz.  Schwartz is German for black.  Does Walt use this to buy some time while Hank investigates?

Gayle Boetticher.  Hank just tied Walter to Gayle to Heisenberg. 

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  Walt is fudgeed. 

Probably, but not because of anything that was revealed tonight. 

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His family is officially dissolved once Hank gets going.  The kids will be removed.  Skyler will be protected by the DEA thanks to her connection to Hank.

This presupposes a few things: 1) that Hank's superiors (who really seemed eager to promote him and get him off the Fring case) don't impede the official investigation further; 2) that Hank doesn't back down after a confrontation with Walt where Walt reveals the reason for (and medical bill payment side benefit) the manufacture of meth; 3) Skyler's involvement is not discovered revealed.


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Jesse's back to using and will stay far away from Walt.

I took that as a bong (weed) and not a meth pipe.  He might want to stay away now that he's got his $5M, but I think he gets pulled back in somehow.

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Mike's dead.

No argument there.  Mike is, however, a fudgeing badass right up til the end.

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  Lydia is frantic and erratic.

No change for her.  But now she is happy because they're banking with the Czech distro.

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  Oh, and Walt has cancer.

I think this turns out to be a head fake by the writers.  We didn't see anything more than the MRI taking place.  Then, as Walt is dressing afterwards, he looks at the paper towel dispenser that he beat to shoot after his initial diagnosis...and kind of smirks.  I think he's clean.

Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 03, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
It's bullshoot that the final 8 episodes are next summer. What a crock of shoot...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 03, 2012, 07:29:32 PM
^^
Got every point wrong.

That's why they're called theories, Hindsight Harry.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 03, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Gayle Boetticher.  Hank just tied Walter to Gayle to Heisenberg. 

Probably, but not because of anything that was revealed tonight. 

This presupposes a few things: 1) that Hank's superiors (who really seemed eager to promote him and get him off the Fring case) don't impede the official investigation further; 2) that Hank doesn't back down after a confrontation with Walt where Walt reveals the reason for (and medical bill payment side benefit) the manufacture of meth; 3) Skyler's involvement is not discovered revealed.


I took that as a bong (weed) and not a meth pipe.  He might want to stay away now that he's got his $5M, but I think he gets pulled back in somehow.

No argument there.  Mike is, however, a fudgeing badass right up til the end.

No change for her.  But now she is happy because they're banking with the Czech distro.

I think this turns out to be a head fake by the writers.  We didn't see anything more than the MRI taking place.  Then, as Walt is dressing afterwards, he looks at the paper towel dispenser that he beat to shoot after his initial diagnosis...and kind of smirks.  I think he's clean.
I got that about gayle.  I was just offering a theory for how Walt will try to get out of it.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on September 03, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
That's why they're called theories, Hindsight Harry.

Like tax theories.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 03, 2012, 10:40:22 PM
Like tax theories laws that I don't understand.

Fixt.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Godfather on September 14, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
I'm hooked Weskie.

I am on the last two episodes of season 2.  Started with season 1 on Monday.  Have season 3 downloaded, but need to get 4 and 5.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Kaos on September 14, 2012, 07:20:42 PM
I'm hooked Weskie.

I am on the last two episodes of season 2.  Started with season 1 on Monday.  Have season 3 downloaded, but need to get 4 and 5.

Cheaper to get the netflix.  It even goes on to the next episode for you.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Godfather on September 16, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
Cheaper to get the netflix.  It even goes on to the next episode for you.
Cheaper than free? Does Netflix pay me?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Jumbo on January 12, 2013, 12:07:17 PM
I just started Breaking Bad Season 1.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on January 12, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
I just started Breaking Bad Season 1.

Welcome, brother.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad Season 4
Post by: Jumbo on January 13, 2013, 03:30:14 AM
I watched half the first season in one night. #winning
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on March 06, 2013, 02:29:20 PM
July 14th. 

I'm going back and rewatching the series.  Just finished episode 6, season 1 the other day.  This show was fudgeing amazing when it first started.  Kind of made me get pissy with the latest season. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on August 09, 2013, 04:25:43 AM
Can't wait for the final 8 episodes. Say my name.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on August 09, 2013, 05:05:59 AM
Can't wait for the final 8 episodes. Say my name.
"I can't imagine a World without Coca-Cola."
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on August 11, 2013, 10:47:15 PM
Wow.  I didn't figure the Walt/Hank showdown would happen this soon. 

Tread lightly.  Motherfudge.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 11, 2013, 11:11:17 PM
Makes me wonder what could possibly be planned for 7 episodes.

Also, everyone's against Walt now.  Skylar, Jesse, Hank, and now also Lydia.  I'm sure the other people profiting from Walt's blue are not going to be happy he's no longer cooking.

I think the rest of the season will be setting up a "Who's going to get Walt?" ending.  Will it be Jesse who is losing his mind and could possibly go ahead and shoot Walt when Walt comes to him for help?  Will it be Hank who has been tracking Heisenberg since season 1 and let's not forget Hank's pride and how it's been damaged by Walt being there under his nose the entire time.  Maybe Lydia puts a hit out on Walt?  Maybe some Czech Republic boss wants the recipe? Maybe it's the cancer.

Maybe Walt goes out in a blaze of glory.  He beats cancer.  Jesse kills himself.  Skylar drowns.  Lydia and the Czechs are slain in a gun battle with cartel members.  On Walt's 52nd birthday, he tracks down Hank and shoots him with a machine gun.  End scene with Walt and Walt Jr. feeding Holly her first meal of bacon and eggs. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 11, 2013, 11:26:35 PM
Or even better - Walt goes on witness protection.  Beats Hank to the punch making Hank look like he covered up Walt's actions.  I mean, Walt's drug money did pay for the now functional legs Hank is carrying around. 

Walt goes straight to the DEA headquarters and says, "I can give you an international drug trade, and I can make it look like a small DEA office in booney fudgeville New Mexico is a force for all international drug trades to reckon with." 

The Albuquerque DEA splooges in their pants right there, and Walt grins while wearing his hat.  He realizes that now Heisenberg's role in life is finished.  He as Walter White will accept their witness protection program and move to New Hampshire.  There he will try to find solace in running a bakery where he can do chemistry all day long.

Skyler however is angry and pissed that Walt turned on Hank and got Hank fired from his job.  Hank has a heart attack due to the rage he feels and Skyler and Marie move in together to take care of Holly while Walt Jr goes to college. 

Even though Walt's family is gone, he is safe.  They are safe.  The drug organization was stopped.  Jesse either gets better or commits suicide, but either way, Jesse is out of Walt's life. 

But it doesn't end there.  No, no. 

There's one caveat.  Mike.

Mike didn't die.  In season 5, there were multiple references to good Samaritans.  One was when the dump truck was "broken down" on the tracks during the train robbery episode.  A good Samaritan Native American drives up to help.  When Walt brought Jesse the money, he referred to a time when the RV broke down and Jesse had to walk to get gas.  He said, "I prayed that the cops wouldn't show up or a good Samaritan." 

Mike slouched over due to blood loss and apathy because he was dying knowing his 9 guys and 1 lawyer were dead, Walt had just shot him, and worst of all, Kaylee was out of money.  After he fell, Walt left.  But before Mike slipped away into the neverlands, a good Samaritan comes up.  Gets Mike to a hospital.  Saves his life. 

Which also referencing tonight's episode is plausible.  Walt promised Jesse that Mike was still alive. 

So Mike heals up.  shoot goes down with Walt, the DEA, and the international drug ring.  Once it quiets down, once Skyler and Marie move in together, that's when Mike makes his move.

He shoots Skyler, Marie, Walt Jr, and Holly.  Leaves them dead.  Leaves some kind of token or note that lets Walt know that it was him.  Walt comes back to New Mexico and purchases a machine gun. 

He's going to kill Mike to end the show. 

**None of this will happen because Walt is recognized as Heisenberg.  It's spray painted in his house.  His neighbor showed genuine fear at the sight of him.  Also, a Mike-Walt showdown to end the show would be lame.  Maybe someone else though? 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on August 12, 2013, 02:27:15 AM
Wow.  I didn't figure the Walt/Hank showdown would happen this soon. 

Tread lightly.  Motherfudge.
The tread lightly comment was such a bad ass line almost as good as I am Danger.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 12, 2013, 08:31:57 AM
Until the last six minutes the show moved really, really slowly. 

I hope Skyler dies a grisly death.  Never hated a character on TV any more than I hate her.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 12, 2013, 10:42:45 AM
I think somehow, everyone will die.

Errbody. The whole series echoes a Greek tragedy too much to not end like one.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Six on August 12, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
I think somehow, everyone will die.

Errbody. The whole series echoes a Greek tragedy too much to not end like one.

I think the only one dead at the end is Walt. Either by cancer or Jesse.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 12, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
Everyone dies except Walt. And Walt is Cancer free. And he has all the money and no one to give a damn about him. Or they all survive and no one gives a damn about him.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on August 12, 2013, 10:46:20 PM
The Ozymandius- based discussion going around the webs is interesting.  Some reach, but some nice synchronicity.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 13, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
The Ozymandius- based discussion going around the webs is interesting.  Some reach, but some nice synchronicity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dpghfRBHE
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 13, 2013, 10:13:31 AM
Everyone dies except Walt. And Walt is Cancer free. And he has all the money and no one to give a damn about him. Or they all survive and no one gives a damn about him.
I would be willing to bet good money that at least Walt dies. I suspect a lot more die in his wake.

It's kind of the rules of this sort of story. The kind of hubris that Walt displays must be punished by the story's end. From every Greek tragedy to Scarface.

I don't know if anyone caught "Talking Bad" after, but they talked about how even when Walt got drunk around Hank and Hank says he gave up investigating Gale, but said he was a genius, Walt was too proud to give Gale any credit and said he was copying off someone else's work, which put Hank back on Heisenberg's trail despite having a perfect fall-guy in Gale.

Arrogance is why Walt walked away from the company he had helped build that could have made him millions, why he kept cooking after his former partner from said business offered to pay for his treatment, why he went back to cooking after his cancer treatment worked.

He's going to die for that sin, I can guarantee.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 13, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
The theory I could fully support:

Quote
In Breaking Bad, Walt has a habit of taking on some little traits of the people he has killed.

When Walt killed Crazy 8, he started cutting off the crusts of his sandwiches – just as Crazy 8 had done. Gus drives a Volvo. After Walt kills Gus, at the beginning of Season 5 (at the Denny’s), Walt is driving a Volvo (w/ NH plates).  When Mike and Walt meet at a bar in an earlier season, Walt orders his drink neat while Mike has his on the rocks. After Mike is killed, and Hank offers Walt a drink in his office – he asks for it on the rocks.

At that same scene at Denny’s, Walt arranges his bacon into his new age. Someone else used to do that. On top of that, he’s using Skyler’s maiden name on his fake ID.

Based on his history of picking up traits from his victims – I believe Walt is going to murder Skyler before the series is over, and it probably had already happened before he showed up at the Denny’s in the Season 5 cold open.


Yes, please.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 13, 2013, 09:13:43 PM
The theory I could fully support:
 

Yes, please.

I can see this.

It's not hard to see it coming.  Walt wants control of his family even after he's dead.  That's how this all got started.  He couldn't stand the idea of having his family not only in debt to his cancer treatments but also not provided for by his paycheck.  So he started cooking meth.

Then throughout the show even when Walt becomes more absorbed into the drug game, he still wants control of his family.  Skyler is willing to launder his money and keep his secret as long as the kids can go away.  Walt didn't like this idea so he squashed it.  He has to have control.  He has to have his family under his finger.

How do you think he's going to react when Hank tells Marie and they pull Skyler and the kids away from Walt as fast as possible?  Once Skyler knows that Hanks knows, it's over for Walt and his family.  And you can believe that we're going to have a "garage door" face to face discussion between Skyler and Walt just like Hank and Walt; except expect Walt to take full advantage of an inferior opponent similar to how he treats Jesse.  Skyler won't acquiesce to his demands because she's on Hanks side and Walt will kill her. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 18, 2013, 11:39:37 PM
The theory I could fully support:
 

Yes, please.
The theory I could fully support:
 

Yes, please.
Walt also tipped outrageously. One might say he was throwing away money...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 19, 2013, 01:42:38 AM
I'm thinking Skyleaeaer started liking Walt just a bit after he told her he was out of the drug business.  It was a month later, so I'm assuming she eyed him carefully and began noticing same ole Walt back at the house.  Then when Walt started working more at the car wash and suggesting they open more, you could see her eyes light up with glee at the thought of being a business tycoon in their mid-sized New Mexican town. 

Then Hank starts pressuring her and she realizes she's alone.  She has to turn to a lawyer.  Hank tries to convince her that he cares most about her but she can see that Hank just wants to nail the case.  Even her sister Marie slaps her in the face and is disgusted with her.  And then Marie tries to take her baby from her? 

And to top it off, Walt's cancer is back and he passes out on the bathroom floor.  She cares for him all night and then tells him they should keep quiet about everything. 

Next few episodes, I'm thinking we'll see some rekindling of their relationship only to build up to a great fall.  Much like a typical tragedy. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 19, 2013, 03:54:47 PM
I can see this.

It's not hard to see it coming.  Walt wants control of his family even after he's dead.  That's how this all got started.  He couldn't stand the idea of having his family not only in debt to his cancer treatments but also not provided for by his paycheck.  So he started cooking meth.

Then throughout the show even when Walt becomes more absorbed into the drug game, he still wants control of his family.  Skyler is willing to launder his money and keep his secret as long as the kids can go away.  Walt didn't like this idea so he squashed it.  He has to have control.  He has to have his family under his finger.

How do you think he's going to react when Hank tells Marie and they pull Skyler and the kids away from Walt as fast as possible?  Once Skyler knows that Hanks knows, it's over for Walt and his family.  And you can believe that we're going to have a "garage door" face to face discussion between Skyler and Walt just like Hank and Walt; except expect Walt to take full advantage of an inferior opponent similar to how he treats Jesse.  Skyler won't acquiesce to his demands because she's on Hanks side and Walt will kill her.

You couldn't have been more wrong...haha
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 19, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
You couldn't have been more wrong...haha

That's why I love the show.  I can't predict it. 

I mean, the obvious things are predictable.  You knew Hank would find out eventually.  But as for how the story is going to progress?  No clue. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on August 20, 2013, 02:20:19 AM
I already know the ending, but I don't want to ruin it for everyone. One hint though, the guy that shot the kid when they were done robbing the train...he shoots Walt in the head.

(que somber song)

Role credits
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 20, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
If I recall correctly, Marie ran over the next door kid's toy car a few seasons ago.  One of the recent episodes shows Walt almost running over it, but avoiding it.

Thoughts?  This obviously foreshadows the possibility of something, but I don't know what.  I think Marie ran over the toy car shortly after being caught stealing.  Maybe this alludes to the fact that, unlike Marie, Walt won't get caught?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
If I recall correctly, Marie ran over the next door kid's toy car a few seasons ago.  One of the recent episodes shows Walt almost running over it, but avoiding it.

Thoughts?  This obviously foreshadows the possibility of something, but I don't know what.  I think Marie ran over the toy car shortly after being caught stealing.  Maybe this alludes to the fact that, unlike Marie, Walt won't get caught?

Seems a bit nitpicky even for Vince's style. 

We also know that Walt does get caught or at least exposed.  His house was boarded up, fenced, and had Heisenberg spray painted inside of it. 

I could see it maybe being a subtle reminder that Marie was a thief in older episodes.  Hank sees Walt as a monster because he's breaking the law that Hank is supposed to protect.  Marie stole and stole (remember Hank said "again" when he found out about the tiara) and he always got her out of it without seeing her as a bad guy. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
If I recall correctly, Marie ran over the next door kid's toy car a few seasons ago.  One of the recent episodes shows Walt almost running over it, but avoiding it.

Thoughts?  This obviously foreshadows the possibility of something, but I don't know what.  I think Marie ran over the toy car shortly after being caught stealing.  Maybe this alludes to the fact that, unlike Marie, Walt won't get caught?
!!!!!

I like this. I mentioned the toy car as some symbolism that I wasn't getting as well to the Puerto Rican when we were watching it.

He's still not behind bars when his house is boarded up. The symbolism could still fit.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 20, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
Seems a bit nitpicky even for Vince's style. 

We also know that Walt does get caught or at least exposed.  His house was boarded up, fenced, and had Heisenberg spray painted inside of it. 

I could see it maybe being a subtle reminder that Marie was a thief in older episodes.  Hank sees Walt as a monster because he's breaking the law that Hank is supposed to protect.  Marie stole and stole (remember Hank said "again" when he found out about the tiara) and he always got her out of it without seeing her as a bad guy.

I don't think it's merely a subtle reminder of Marie being a thief; there's something to be said about the fact that Walt avoided hitting the car in a fit of anger/anxiety, whereas Marie did hit the car in a fit of anger/anxiety.  Maybe I am reading too much into it, but they intentionally re-introduced the toy car and purposefully showed Walt not hitting it to juxtapose it with Marie hitting it.  To me, it looks like more of a comparison than a mere reminder.

Maybe it is an example of how Hank sees Marie as a good guy despite her illegal actions, whereas he sees Walt as a bad guy because of his illegal actions...but that wouldn't really fit, because a good guy wouldn't crush a kid's car.  Instead, maybe it's commentary on how Marie's actions were selfish (and so she destroys a kid's car), and Walt's actions were for his family (and so he doesn't destroy a kid's car).

I don't know exactly what was being conveyed, but I do think it's more of a comparison between Marie and Walt than it is a mere reminder of Marie's previous actions.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
The toy car Marie runs over was a red truck, wasn't it? 

And Walt runs over a yellow muscle car.

I know Vince is big on colors. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 20, 2013, 01:28:08 PM
The toy car Marie runs over was a red truck, wasn't it? 

And Walt runs over a yellow muscle car.

I know Vince is big on colors.

I don't recall the type of car, but I do think it was red.

Red means stop, yellow means caution...?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 20, 2013, 01:34:07 PM
I think this is a bit of a reach, but it does attempt to tie the color yellow to a variety of events/characters:

http://imgur.com/a/hwmnX
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on August 20, 2013, 02:35:04 PM
I just like the show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on August 20, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
I like traffic lights.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
I think this is a bit of a reach, but it does attempt to tie the color yellow to a variety of events/characters:

http://imgur.com/a/hwmnX
Interesting.

The symbolism of Marie's purple has been driving me crazy. Maybe it's just to contrast the rare few exceptions so that you're supposed to notice when she's wearing yellow?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
I just like the show.
I've had girlfriends that just like watching football despite not understanding the difference between a wide receiver and a running back.

It's cute and all, but not the target audience.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
I've had girlfriends that just like watching football despite understanding the difference between a wide receiver and a running back.

It's cute and all, but not the target audience.

What if it's not as deep as all that? 

What if he just likes to show remote control cars because his kid likes them?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 04:01:39 PM
What if it's not as deep as all that? 

What if he just likes to show remote control cars because his kid likes them?
Exactly twice in the series? Once with it being crushed and once with it almost being crushed?

That's not random in works of fiction. Especially not one as layered as BB has already proven to be. Wouldn't be surprised if these Chinese letters meant something profoundly significant.

(http://i.imgur.com/wHmyHQqh.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
Exactly twice in the series? Once with it being crushed and once with it almost being crushed?

That's not random in works of fiction. Especially not one as layered as BB has already proven to be. Wouldn't be surprised if these Chinese letters meant something profoundly significant.


"Bumble"
"Bee"
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 04:39:52 PM
"Bumble"
"Bee"
Yeah, but 00892-B...

The two zeroes represent emptiness even when you're with someone. 89. Who won the Super Bowl in 89? The 49ers. Substitute the 89 for a 49. Now you have 00(emptiness) 4(for) 92. '92 was when Nirvana's Nevermind was released. Kurt Cobain had this same feeling of emptiness and inevitably blew his brains out. Walt's going to commit suicide. And the -B is for Breaking Bad. Duh.

http://youtu.be/S8PcAXfuufs

Also, the hex code 0892B is exactly this color.
(http://www.colorhexa.com/00892b.png)

(http://www.prosportstickers.com/product_images/z/breaking_bad_logo_decal__02117.png)

The exact color used in the intro...just sayin'...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on August 20, 2013, 06:22:15 PM


The symbolism of Marie's purple has been driving me crazy. Maybe it's just to contrast the rare few exceptions so that you're supposed to notice when she's wearing yellow?

This one bugs me, too.  It's not just her wardrobe.  It's her home furnishings: couch, rug...hell, her fudgeing tea kettle was purple in the last episode.

The obvious guess is the royal connotation of the color, but what is regal about the fudgeing Schrader house?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 20, 2013, 06:44:25 PM
The obvious guess is the royal connotation of the color, but what is regal about the fudgeing Schrader house?

The tiara that she stole.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on August 20, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
The tiara that she stole.

Hadn't considered that at all.



Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2013, 07:29:52 PM
This one bugs me, too.  It's not just her wardrobe.  It's her home furnishings: couch, rug...hell, her fudgeing tea kettle was purple in the last episode.

The obvious guess is the royal connotation of the color, but what is regal about the fudgeing Schrader house?
The more I thought about the "Yellow" thing, I think it's pretty obvious that the whole purple thing only served the purpose of it being startlingly inconsistent when yellow slowly started sneaking into her wardrobe. You're supposed to notice that something is afoot.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Was she wearing yellow when talking about taking prenatal vitamins or was that a different scene?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on August 21, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
From reading these pages, when the Show ends some people here will be happy, some won't be and some, like me, will be happy either way because they enjoyed the show and didn't try to figure out the next move by watching the color of the traffic lights or counting how many silver vehicles Walt passed on his way to see his Lawyer.
Maybe the writer likes the color yellow and hates red...just a thought.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 26, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
The Sopranos is still the better overall show but last night's episode of Breaking Bad was absolute quality. 

So many shows drift and fade as they near their end, the Sopranos included.  It veered into absolute silliness with the gay Vito storyline and the numerous killings toward the end. 

I've drawn parallels between the father/son dynamic of Tony and Christopher versus Walt and Jesse. Last night gave me more of the same.  In a similar fashion in Season 5 Chris thinks Tony has betrayed him by sleeping with Adriana and comes unhinged, going after Tony in the club and later having an emotional breakdown almost. 

Each was awesome in its own way, but the scene in the desert in Breaking Bad was nearly perfect.  It brought me back to a desert scene in the final season of The Sopranos which was, in comparison, completely stupid, totally out of character and poorly imagined.  In that, Tony slept with a hookerish supposed friend of Chris' (delectable Sarah Shahi) who'd never once been mentioned in the show previously (nor had Chris ever going to Vegas been part of the narrative), took peyote and had some worthless epiphany. 

Last night was the exact opposite.  It was tight, well acted, illuminating and central to refining both primary characters. 

I think it's beautiful how the series started with herding everyone into rooting for Walt and has now turned that in a different direction and has begun to drive that some of that same herd into openly hoping for his destruction.  Never at the hands of Hank, though. 

The Sopranos muddled its way to an inconclusive end.  Breaking Bad, so far, isn't taking that track. These last episodes are among the best of the series and there's something to be said for that.  The list of shows that wobbled to the end is long and distinguished.  (MASH, Cheers, Sopranos, Seinfeld, L&O, etc.)  The list of those just as good at the end as any time in the series is very short.

Hope this one can keep this pace to the finale. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on August 26, 2013, 10:33:58 AM
The Sopranos is still the better overall show but last night's episode of Breaking Bad was absolute quality. 

So many shows drift and fade as they near their end, the Sopranos included.  It veered into absolute silliness with the gay Vito storyline and the numerous killings toward the end. 

I've drawn parallels between the father/son dynamic of Tony and Christopher versus Walt and Jesse. Last night gave me more of the same.  In a similar fashion in Season 5 Chris thinks Tony has betrayed him by sleeping with Adriana and comes unhinged, going after Tony in the club and later having an emotional breakdown almost. 

Each was awesome in its own way, but the scene in the desert in Breaking Bad was nearly perfect.  It brought me back to a desert scene in the final season of The Sopranos which was, in comparison, completely stupid, totally out of character and poorly imagined.  In that, Tony slept with a hookerish supposed friend of Chris' (delectable Sarah Shahi) who'd never once been mentioned in the show previously (nor had Chris ever going to Vegas been part of the narrative), took peyote and had some worthless epiphany. 

Last night was the exact opposite.  It was tight, well acted, illuminating and central to refining both primary characters. 

I think it's beautiful how the series started with herding everyone into rooting for Walt and has now turned that in a different direction and has begun to drive that some of that same herd into openly hoping for his destruction.  Never at the hands of Hank, though. 

The Sopranos muddled its way to an inconclusive end.  Breaking Bad, so far, isn't taking that track. These last episodes are among the best of the series and there's something to be said for that.  The list of shows that wobbled to the end is long and distinguished.  (MASH, Cheers, Sopranos, Seinfeld, L&O, etc.)  The list of those just as good at the end as any time in the series is very short.

Hope this one can keep this pace to the finale.
Agree with everything but the first clause.

Sopranos gets points for setting a new bar for what television dramas can be. That much is certain. Not knocking it in its own right. But in a side-by-side comparison, BB blows it out of the water. In my opinion, it is clearly head and shoulders above everything else that has ever been on television.

***SPOILERS***

The layers, as we've analyzed and over analyzed, are beyond compare. Walt's videotaped confession? In retrospect, it made 110% sense, and was all in front of our faces as the obvious solution the whole time, yet it didn't occur to me, and no one spoiled it for me, so I'm assuming it didn't occur to many. And yet it's air tight.

Not using this as an example, but as an aside, after watching Talking Bad last night, I only just realized the "S'all Good, Man" pun.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 26, 2013, 11:25:41 AM
Agree with everything but the first clause.

Sopranos gets points for setting a new bar for what television dramas can be. That much is certain. Not knocking it in its own right. But in a side-by-side comparison, BB blows it out of the water. In my opinion, it is clearly head and shoulders above everything else that has ever been on television.

***SPOILERS***

The layers, as we've analyzed and over analyzed, are beyond compare. Walt's videotaped confession? In retrospect, it made 110% sense, and was all in front of our faces as the obvious solution the whole time, yet it didn't occur to me, and no one spoiled it for me, so I'm assuming it didn't occur to many. And yet it's air tight.

Not using this as an example, but as an aside, after watching Talking Bad last night, I only just realized the "S'all Good, Man" pun.

Not going to get drawn into the "which is better" debate, because there's not much debate.  Sopranos (through five seasons) was much superior.  It was never about what it was about and most people didn't get that.  There were no throwaway lines in the series ever. A random line from the first episode of the season had meaning in the tenth episode of the fourth.

Final season vs. final season?  Breaking Bad is the clear winner so far. I say so far because there's still time to veer off into a gay Jesse, gay Huell, let's go to Vegas and count cards scenario but I can't see that happening.  But for the first five seasons there never was and hasn't been anything that measures up to Sopranos. 

Breaking Bad is a more compact show.  Fewer layers of character.  Basically it's a tripod with Walter, Jesse and Hank.  The rest are "as needed" pieces.  Sopranos managed a much larger dynamic with Tony, Sil, Paulie, Chris, Johnny Sack, Bobby, Artie, Furio.  And the females were much stronger and more fleshed out -- Ade, Janice, Charmaine and especially Carmella and Melfi. 

Ok, so I did go there again but don't want to.  Each show is worthy of praise. 

I'm much happier with the rush to the end of Breaking Bad than I was the tumble of The Sopranos and that I currently am the asinine meandering of what was once a very solid show in Dexter.  Used to love that show but now it's so lame I can barely watch it.  It disappoints me greatly.  There's a fair comparison of two shows reaching their respective ends.  One is great, the other a miasma of nothing. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 26, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
A few questions from last night:

1.  What was the purpose of the Todd segment?  We already knew he was going to be the cook.  I felt like he and the other two guys were being really careless with the train heist story in the restaurant.  I guess that was to show that Todd's blabber dumbass mouth is going to give Walt away to the police.  Also, the blood on the dude's shoes.  Was that Todd's?  The waitress?  Someone else's?  Was he pissing blood?  That was a very unclear scene.

2.  Was Walt's house burned in the first episode of season 5b?  Can't remember.

3.  Where was Hank going when he left the office?  I think he was going to Walt's.  I think he'll freak out and instinctually will phone for help when he sees his sister-in-law's house on fire.  Also will probably punch Jesse again.  Who knows though.  Just guessing here. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 26, 2013, 02:20:23 PM
A few questions from last night:

1.  What was the purpose of the Todd segment?  We already knew he was going to be the cook.  I felt like he and the other two guys were being really careless with the train heist story in the restaurant.  I guess that was to show that Todd's blabber dumbass mouth is going to give Walt away to the police.  Also, the blood on the dude's shoes.  Was that Todd's?  The waitress?  Someone else's?  Was he pissing blood?  That was a very unclear scene.

2.  Was Walt's house burned in the first episode of season 5b?  Can't remember.

3.  Where was Hank going when he left the office?  I think he was going to Walt's.  I think he'll freak out and instinctually will phone for help when he sees his sister-in-law's house on fire.  Also will probably punch Jesse again.  Who knows though.  Just guessing here.

Prior to the meeting, Todd was on the phone leaving someone a voicemail.  Based on the message he left, I'm assuming it was Walt (he starts out with, "I know you're probably busy with retirement...").  I believe Todd was bragging to the guys (one of which I am assuming is Todd's criminal uncle that he mentioned in an earlier season) about the train heist in order to show how bright Walt is.  Either he told the guys that he would be able to get Walt back in the business, or he was assuring them that he was the guy for the job because he was trained by Walt.

Either way, I think Todd wants Walt's help and was leaving him a voicemail to reach out to him.  You'll recall that Lydia said that Todd's first cook without Walt was 74%.  Although Todd was trained by Walt and assured these guys that he could get the lab set up right, I think Todd knows he can't produce the same quality as Walt, and thus wants him to help in some sort of way with the new operation that he'll be running.

I have no clue about the blood.  I think it was just meant to show how crazy Todd's uncle is.  Or it was blood left over from the massacre, and it was a weak attempt at pointing out that this was one of the same guys hired by Lydia to kill the previous meth lab operators.  Also, when he is wiping away the blood, you see the swastika tattoo he has on his hand, so I think the general purpose of that scene was to show that Todd's uncle is a murderous Nazi.  Maybe it will be revealed to be something different in the future, but I have no clue where, when, and how he could have gotten blood on his shoes between the meeting with Todd and that scene.

I don't recall seeing any fire damage in his abandoned house, so I'm assuming Jesse does not light the house on fire for one reason or another.  Ever wonder who the fudge is taking care of the baby while Walt and Skyler are at the carwash?  Maybe Jesse is going to look up and see someone holding the baby and staring at him in bewilderment, causing Jesse to run out without finishing the job.

Hank was at the office at the end of the show?  I'll have to rewatch the ending...I thought the last scene with Hank in it was when Marie revealed that Walt paid for his medical bills.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 26, 2013, 10:01:40 PM

Hank was at the office at the end of the show?  I'll have to rewatch the ending...I thought the last scene with Hank in it was when Marie revealed that Walt paid for his medical bills.

I'm fairly certain Hank's last scene was him telling his secretary to cancel his 3 o'clock and that he was going out. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 27, 2013, 01:46:28 PM
I'm fairly certain Hank's last scene was him telling his secretary to cancel his 3 o'clock and that he was going out.

I do recall that now.  He may end up going to Walt's house, but I don't think he's going to get to Jesse.  Walt will likely get there first.  Otherwise, you've got a situation where Jesse is extremely pissed at Walt and would realistically rat him out if Hank got to him first.  I think they'll want the viewer to think that Hank will get to him, but there will be some sudden dramatic twist.  Walt will probably get there just in the nick of time, somehow subdue Jesse, and then casually answer the door when Hank arrives.

Also, in regard to the blood on the shoe scene, it may be an attempt to show that these guys are not as careful as Walt.  When Walt and Jesse cleaned up dead bodies, they wore gloves and suits and disposed of the bodies via acid.  Todd's uncle carelessly leaves blood on his everyday boots and does a half-assed job at cleaning them in a public restroom, shortly after meeting in a public place and discussing Mr. White's (not "Heisenberg's") brilliance in previous criminal activities.  I think the scene was a general overview of how careless and crazy these guys are, and that Todd is trying to bring Walt into their operation.  My guess is that Walt is coming back to kill these guys in the flash forward scenes; the gun's for them, and the ricin is for Lydia.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
This is Stephanie.  She loves Breaking Bad.  Would you like to see my O-face?

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130822111728-01-stephanie-oregon-by4-9529-single-image-cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on August 30, 2013, 07:56:20 PM
This is Stephanie.  She loves Breaking Bad.  Would you like to see my O-face?

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130822111728-01-stephanie-oregon-by4-9529-single-image-cut.jpg)
She's wearing green and yellow...she's definitely going to die at some point.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on August 30, 2013, 09:57:20 PM
She's wearing green and yellow...she's definitely going to die at some point.

Skills.  You got them.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 02, 2013, 12:50:31 AM
Rabid Dog -

Good episode.  A little slowly paced. Still not buying Jesse and Hank's alliance.  Seems forced in a way. 

Like Marie, hate Skyler even more than ever.

Liked the shot of Hank's bookcase.  Bunch of Stephen King books and the boxed set of Deadwood.  Nice touch. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 02, 2013, 01:15:22 AM
I'm not a big fan of the Hank/Jesse alliance either.  If it was quick, I'd take it.  Catch Jesse when he's in a fit of rage and get him to spew a bunch of details and hope for a tip on hard evidence?  Sure.  But where is this going?  Where does Walt "truly live?"  In his meth?  His family?  In fear?

No idea.  But Jesse is not going to outsmart Walt.  That can't be how this ends.  Walt IS the danger.  That's been the path of the show from day one.  Walt may be a bitch.  He may be manipulative.  He may get himself into a bit of trouble, but he's always had a trick up his sleeve.  I can't see Jesse being the one to be his undoing. 

We'll see though.  I'm sad that there's only a few episodes left.  Seems like so much has to happen in that time frame.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on September 02, 2013, 03:13:58 AM
The Todd segement last episode with the close up of blood on his uncle's shoe, makes more sense now the Walt called Todd to ask for his uncles help killing Jessie.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 02, 2013, 11:50:42 AM
Probably wrong, but I'm of the opinion that the call isn't about Jesse.  Kill somebody else maybe? 

Kill Skyler. Kill Hank. Get up on Marie.

Used to hate Marie. Like her now for some reason.  She was funny on Talking Bad.  Don't care about the son one way or another. The show would have been just as good if he were never a part of it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on September 03, 2013, 07:25:43 AM
Rabid Dog -

Good episode.  A little slowly paced. Still not buying Jesse and Hank's alliance.  Seems forced in a way. 

Like Marie, hate Skyler even more than ever.

Liked the shot of Hank's bookcase.  Bunch of Stephen King books and the boxed set of Deadwood.  Nice touch.
Just proves that Deadwood was a great series.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on September 03, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
Probably wrong, but I'm of the opinion that the call isn't about Jesse.  Kill somebody else maybe? 

Kill Skyler. Kill Hank. Get up on Marie.

Used to hate Marie. Like her now for some reason.  She was funny on Talking Bad.  Don't care about the son one way or another. The show would have been just as good if he were never a part of it.
Kill everyone wearing green, yellow, red or any Chinese lettering on their clothing or a tattoo of a Dragon Fly.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 03, 2013, 09:52:03 AM
Kill everyone wearing green, yellow, red or any Chinese lettering on their clothing or a tattoo of a Dragon Fly.
They talked a little bit about the role color plays in the series on Talking Bad this week.

The creators of the show mentioned that Skyler's wardrobe, which had always been blue to represent blissful ignorance, towards the end of the series became a dried out beige to symbolize the life being sucked out of her, and also moved towards greens and blacks to symbolize solidarity with Walt.

So the skreets are definitely wrong on this one.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on September 03, 2013, 10:22:06 PM
They talked a little bit about the role color plays in the series on Talking Bad this week.

The creators of the show mentioned that Skyler's wardrobe, which had always been blue to represent blissful ignorance, towards the end of the series became a dried out beige to symbolize the life being sucked out of her, and also moved towards greens and blacks to symbolize solidarity with Walt.

So the skreets are definitely wrong on this one.
I'll just continue to wear this...

(http://ringoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mood-ring-chart.png)

...that way I'll know what's going to happen next, it'll be like my own Breaking Bad Wikipedia on my finger.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Lurking Tiger on September 08, 2013, 10:33:38 PM
Speechless.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 08, 2013, 11:02:51 PM
That was intense.  But...it was lame drawing out the shoot out.  Hank and Gomez versus guys with semiautomatics.  Should have ended in five seconds. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Lurking Tiger on September 08, 2013, 11:12:34 PM
That was intense.  But...it was lame drawing out the shoot out.  Hank and Gomez versus guys with semiautomatics.  Should have ended in five seconds.

Gunfights don't end as fast as Hollywood would lead you to believe. Most shots are missed. Especially with automatic or semiautomatic weapons. There is also a lot more urine and vomit involved.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 09, 2013, 01:10:37 AM
That was intense.  But...it was lame drawing out the shoot out.  Hank and Gomez versus guys with semiautomatics.  Should have ended in five seconds.

Hank and Gomes better be dead. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 09, 2013, 01:22:47 AM
Hank and Gomes better be dead.

Agreed.  I was really worried Gomez was about to blast Hank.  That would have been easy writing.  I think Gomez will definitely die.  rhen hank gets shot and Walt climbs out of the truck to put and end to it before Hank dies.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on September 09, 2013, 02:29:13 AM
From Aaron Paul (Jessie) Pretty much sums it up for me
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Heart will speed up. Breathing will slow down. You will want to look away but won't be strong enough. The worst is yet to come. #BreakingBad
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 09, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
Holy fudgeing shoot this show is awesome.

I was able to forget that we know Walt survives and avoids being locked up, at least to this point in the narrative. Because the opening scene of this half-season.

I almost wish they hadn't started with that scene. Ruined the suspense of the house fire, and now this episode's climax.

However, I will not question their judgement, lo the Breaking Bad writing staff works in mysterious ways.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 09, 2013, 10:50:46 AM
The best part to me is the use of Michael Bowen as Uncle Jack.

Bowen has been in a ton of stuff, but his career arc fits three very different (and important to me) stages of my life. 

He was the douchebag boyfriend in one of my favorite 80s teen movies, Valley Girl:

(http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2006/7/vgdvd4.jpg)

He was Buck Who Liked to F*** and unwillingly provided Uma Thurman with a sweet set of wheels in Kill Bill.

(http://filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsB/1871-26177.gif)

And now he's uncle Jack. 

Side note that few people know?  David and Keith Carradine are his brothers.  Half brothers, but still. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 09, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
If any of you are still playing the color game, Marie was in all black when Hank called from the desert. 

Just saying. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 09, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Why didn't Walt just kill himself? 

I couldn't remember if he ever gave an answer to this.  The money is buried and could have easily been given to Skyler and the kids through Saul.  The investigation dies.  Walt's going to die anyway.  He had absolutely nothing to live for. 

Why not go driving down the highway and lose control of the car?  Just crash into a tree.  Doesn't even look like a suicide. 

Also, I got an advanced screening of next week's Breaking Bad:

(http://i.imgur.com/jk97DAs.png)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 09, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
Why didn't Walt just kill himself? 

I couldn't remember if he ever gave an answer to this.  The money is buried and could have easily been given to Skyler and the kids through Saul.  The investigation dies.  Walt's going to die anyway.  He had absolutely nothing to live for. 

Why not go driving down the highway and lose control of the car?  Just crash into a tree.  Doesn't even look like a suicide. 

Once he got to his money and realized that it was a ploy to get him there, I would imagine that Walt assumed that Hank was recording the conversation in which Walt admitted to multiple murders of drug dealers and other activities.  With his guilt pretty much proven, Walt knew that the money was gone.  Like Hank said, they'd have to do some digging, but they know the general area of where it's buried, so they'd find it, and it would be kept by the DEA as evidence.

If Walt kills himself, there's essentially no chance that the money gets to his family.  Saul doesn't know where Walt buried it, and even if he did, the DEA's gotten to it first.  If Walt stays alive, he can at least try to beat the charges or otherwise cast doubt on the source of the cash.  His family has a better chance at getting the money if he's alive than if he's dead at this point.

Unless you mean that Walt should have killed himself before this past episode...then none of the above would really apply.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 09, 2013, 03:06:13 PM
If any of you are still playing the color game, Marie was in all black when Hank called from the desert. 

Just saying.

Nice catch...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 09, 2013, 03:40:27 PM
http://www.avclub.com/articles/attention-do-not-use-the-gps-coordinates-in-breaki,101841/
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Unfortunate news for anyone hoping to use the coordinates mentioned in Sunday’s episode of Breaking Bad to unearth their own buried treasure: Breaking Bad is a television show whose characters and situations are purely fictional, and also, those coordinates don’t actually lead where the episode suggests they do. In “Buried,” Walter White has his money stuffed into barrels that he then drives out into the middle of the desert, using a GPS tracker to pinpoint their secret location as +34° 59′ 20.00″, -106° 36′ 52”, right next to the little bush. Yet anyone who actually goes looking in that spot for his ill-gotten spoils definitely won’t find a barren landscape concealing the fortune of a fake man.

Instead, they’ll find the home of Albuquerque Studios, the production facility where much of Breaking Bad has been filmed alongside other projects such as The Avengers—so, a place that yields huge caches of money, yes, but not in the “stuffed into barrels you can dig out of the ground” kind of way. (Another hidden joke: If you add up all the numbers in the coordinates, then subtract them from 5,318,315, then hold your calculator upside down, it looks like the word “BOOBIES.” What does it mean?)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
Once he got to his money and realized that it was a ploy to get him there, I would imagine that Walt assumed that Hank was recording the conversation in which Walt admitted to multiple murders of drug dealers and other activities.  With his guilt pretty much proven, Walt knew that the money was gone.  Like Hank said, they'd have to do some digging, but they know the general area of where it's buried, so they'd find it, and it would be kept by the DEA as evidence.

If Walt kills himself, there's essentially no chance that the money gets to his family.  Saul doesn't know where Walt buried it, and even if he did, the DEA's gotten to it first.  If Walt stays alive, he can at least try to beat the charges or otherwise cast doubt on the source of the cash.  His family has a better chance at getting the money if he's alive than if he's dead at this point.

Unless you mean that Walt should have killed himself before this past episode...then none of the above would really apply.
We think Saul doesn't know where the money is but he did come to the car wash. I'm just not so sure we have to see it happen or hear it said at this point for it to be possible, The gunfight at the burial site is on and we don't know who survives but if I were Walt, I would choose Saul to handle the money because he is the least threatening and capable of pulling off the dig.

 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 12, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Also we know that Saul lives since he's getting his own TV show. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
Also we know that Saul lives since he's getting his own TV show.
He's had 'em before.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 12, 2013, 02:08:59 PM
We think Saul doesn't know where the money is but he did come to the car wash. I'm just not so sure we have to see it happen or hear it said at this point for it to be possible, The gunfight at the burial site is on and we don't know who survives but if I were Walt, I would choose Saul to handle the money because he is the least threatening and capable of pulling off the dig.

Walt went to the trouble of hiding the money from everyone, including his wife who has been complicit with laundering it.  I don't think he'd let Saul know the location of the money unless he had an imminent reason for doing so.  The fewer people that know its location, the less chance he gets caught.

Walt doesn't know that the money is (allegedly) in jeopardy until right after his meeting at the car wash with Saul, so I don't think he had the opportunity to let Saul know where the money is at that point.

But it's possible that Saul knows because Walt wanted someone to be able to get to it if he died of cancer or something else.  Regardless, I still don't think Walt killing himself in the desert would have been the most logical thing to do if he really wanted to get the money to his family.  At that point in time, Hank knows the money is in that area, and Gomez is directed to stay there until other DEA agents arrive; Saul would have no chance at getting the money.  So if Walt kills himself, his family gets nothing.  If he stays alive, he is at least able to try to get the money to them, even though his chances are slim given the evidence that will now put him away.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 12, 2013, 06:46:56 PM
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2013/09/amc-announces-plans-for-a-breaking-bad-spinoff-series-featuring-saul-goodman/

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AMC and Sony Pictures Television confirmed today that they have reached a licensing agreement for a spinoff of Vince Gilligan’s landmark AMC/SPT series Breaking Bad. As conceived, the new series is based on the show’s popular Saul Goodman character with the working title Better Call Saul. Plans call for Saul to be a one-hour prequel that will focus on the evolution of the popular Saul Goodman character before he ever became Walter White’s lawyer.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 12, 2013, 08:30:50 PM
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2013/09/amc-announces-plans-for-a-breaking-bad-spinoff-series-featuring-saul-goodman/
so basically since its a prequel, Saul could live or die. Brilliant Vince.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 08:55:19 PM
so basically since its a prequel, Saul could live or die. Brilliant Vince.
Yes and we are are led to believe only Uncle Jack has the coordinates. Jack now has Walt over a barrel (NPI) for the promised last cook as well as the money if he wishes. So much for honor among thieves...after all, he and his posse are about to kill two DEA Agents who haven't called for back-up as far as I can tell. This is why I say Saul is the ONLY one can deliver the money to Walt's "surviving family members."
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 12, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
Yes and we are are led to believe only Uncle Jack has the coordinates. Jack now has Walt over a barrel (NPI) for the promised last cook as well as the money if he wishes. So much for honor among thieves...after all, he and his posse are about to kill two DEA Agents who haven't called for back-up as far as I can tell. This is why I say Saul is the ONLY one can deliver the money to Walt's "surviving family members."

Uncle Jack just knows the coordinates for where Walt and Jesse are. Not where the money is...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 09:21:35 PM
Uncle Jack just knows the coordinates for where Walt and Jesse are. Not where the money is...
Yeah I might be giving Jack too much credit here but I think he has a clue.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 12, 2013, 09:26:40 PM
Yes and we are are led to believe only Uncle Jack has the coordinates. Jack now has Walt over a barrel (NPI) for the promised last cook as well as the money if he wishes. So much for honor among thieves...after all, he and his posse are about to kill two DEA Agents who haven't called for back-up as far as I can tell. This is why I say Saul is the ONLY one can deliver the money to Walt's "surviving family members."


Uncle Jack just knows the coordinates for where Walt and Jesse are. Not where the money is...


I could see it playing out either way, but I think WE!!! is right in that Jack doesn't currently know that the coordinates are where Walt's money is at.  None of that crew was privy to the fact that Walt recently buried money.  However, Jack could start asking questions and figure it out.  Why else would Walt know the coordinates of where he's at unless those coordinates were important to him?  Why would Walt be out in the middle of the desert in the first place?  And depending on how everything plays out, Jesse might blab to Jack's crew about the fact that there's money out there.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 09:39:12 PM


I could see it playing out either way, but I think WE!!! is right in that Jack doesn't currently know that the coordinates are where Walt's money is at.  None of that crew was privy to the fact that Walt recently buried money.  However, Jack could start asking questions and figure it out.  Why else would Walt know the coordinates of where he's at unless those coordinates were important to him?  Why would Walt be out in the middle of the desert in the first place?  And depending on how everything plays out, Jesse might blab to Jack's crew about the fact that there's money out there.
Why the coordinates indeed?

On a side note...when does Saul's Big Boy give in to his desires a bolt out of the motel for the nearest buffet? He gotsta eats!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Lurking Tiger on September 12, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
Why the coordinates indeed?

On a side note...when does Saul's Big Boy give in to his desires a bolt out of the motel for the nearest buffet? He gotsta eats!

Been trying to figure out where I had seen him before.

Finally figured it out.

Jurassic Park


Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 12, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
Also:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/12/lego-fans-can-start-building-bad-with-toy-meth-lab/

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For the “Breaking Bad” fans who have everything, there is now a $250 Lego-like meth lab to add to the list.

The new toy, however, is not the creation of the Danish toy giant minting money selling bricks worldwide. Instead, it’s the latest product from Joe Trupia, the Chicago artist who runs a company called Citizen Brick that specializes in making its own creations by buying Legos and then essentially remaking them with the help of a printer.

. . .

Trupia said Citizen Brick tries to stay respectful to the Lego brand. Lego, in turn, says that while it does not endorse and sponsor The Breaking Bad set, it notes that Citizen Brick has complied with its Fair Play policy.

Speakeasy caught up with Trupia, 37, a few weeks after his “Breaking Bad” themed Lego-like “Super Lab” set hit the market last month, and he describes the pace as being “extremely crazy” due to strong demand.

“I set out to make items that I knew Lego would never make but that would still maintain the distinctive Lego aesthetic and production quality,” Tupia said. This is a departure for Citizen Brick, as the firm does not typically do work based on pop culture or licensed characters.

But a “Breaking Bad” meth lab – which looks much like the lab used during a couple of the hit show’s seasons – seemed like a natural fit. Although there is not mention of the words “Breaking Bad” or any of the characters in the show, there is no mistaking what the set resembles.


(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-YW635_methla_E_20130912092709.jpg)


The Superlab is comprised of more than 500 Lego-like pieces including vats for chemicals and cooking, and even has a security camera that closely resembles the one Gus Fring installed to be able to monitor Walter White’s activities. The set comes with three mini-figurines closely resembling Walter White (“Chemistry Enthusiast”), Gustavo Fring (“Chicken Enthusianst”) and Mike (“World’s Best Grandpa”).


(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-YW639_threel_E_20130912094058.jpg)


Citizen Brick started selling the Walter White-looking mini-figurine already in January. It only made sense to expand the range.

“In the show, the underground laboratory is this major set piece in the storyline. It felt like another character. It seemed like a great subject for a custom kit.”

. . .

Citizen Brick made a few hundred “Superlab” sets to start, which it sold to the core collectors who are frequent customers. These were gone within three weeks, but demand is much richer.

“I think as anticipation over the final season of Breaking Bad has increased, requests to make more have poured in. As of right now, we’re taking pre-orders to make more.”

. . .

“Some people object to the price, and a small minority thinks I’m trying to rally kids to manufacture methamphetamine themselves. The kit itself never mentions drugs, or violence, or specifics of the show directly. You’d have to be a pretty precocious kid to build your own meth lab after playing with our set.”
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 12, 2013, 11:38:19 PM
Also:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/12/lego-fans-can-start-building-bad-with-toy-meth-lab/
How insanely creative!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 15, 2013, 10:09:23 PM
 :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 15, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
Yeah you and me both. Whoa. shoot got real. Like....real. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 15, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:

Yeah...why do you think he said what he said to Skylar?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 15, 2013, 10:20:11 PM
Yeah...why do you think he said what he said to Skylar?

She's free.  No one knows she willfully extorted his money.  Now she can say Walt forced her to,do everything she did.

She's a crazy bitch though.  She ordered the hit on Pinkman and then gets a conscious and tells Walt to get the fudge out when he offers a chance for the family to be safe and rich.  Not saying Walt was right, but she's no mother Theresa.. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 15, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
Speechless.  So far removed from the meandering of the final season of my favorite show ever. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 15, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
She's free.  No one knows she willfully extorted his money.  Now she can say Walt forced her to,do everything she did.

She's a crazy bitch though.  She ordered the hit on Pinkman and then gets a conscious and tells Walt to get the fudge out when he offers a chance for the family to be safe and rich.  Not saying Walt was right, but she's no mother Theresa..
THIS.

I think at this point, you're supposed to have changed your mind about Walt. You're not supposed to be rooting for him any more.

But I still am. Everyone he's left in his wake has done it to themselves.

Jesse being a bitch and ratting him out. Using his personal enemy as a conduit to be a snitch. After all they'd built together. All because he found out that he had given a non-lethal amount of a poisonous substance to a kid, in a calculated move to save both their asses, and it is established that the kid is perfectly fine?

Hank relentlessly pursuing him. While Walt did everything in his power to diffuse the situation, keep him out of it, and keep him alive, right down to the very end, he did not return the favor. It could have been avoided. Walt tried to save his life. By that point, it was too late.

Marie had to be a mommy part and, first of all, like Hank, go for the throat in relentlessly pursuing Walt's demise. I felt like she got a sick joy out of putting Skylar in her place. Her family won. Skylar's lost. She was lording it over her. And even moreso took pleasure in seeing Walter Jr. learn the truth about Walt.

Walt tried to save his family. Tried to get them out of there to a safe place where they could leave that entire life behind and start fresh. There was no time to explain now, but he had a perfectly rational explanation for how he escaped alive. Get your things and we'll talk about it on the road. We're a family. We can get through this. Nope. Bitch pulled a knife on him. SHE broke out the cutlery. SHE used it to actually break the skin and cut him. He tried to wrestle it away from her. And what does his son do? Call the cops and say his dad pulled a knife on his mom and is dangerous? WTF, kid? Up to that point he was showing loyalty to his father to the point where he refused to believe what Walt was up to. I get that he was close to Hank. But he told them that he tried to save him. They weren't listening.

My wife said she "couldn't believe" I would still defend him at this point. That he's a monster. I still don't see it that way. I still have sympathy for him. I hope he gets away with everything. I don't think that he will.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 16, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
I can't defend Walt because he single handedly ruined what seemed to be a typical good American family. 

We don't konw what Walt was like pre-cancer, but I imagine he was a control freak.  One of those nice guy control freaks that never had a reason to overreact.

I think Skyler is being a dumb bitch in the same vein as Laurie from Walking Dead.  Laurie wanted Rick to (SPOILERS OH shoot SPOILERS) kill Shane and then looked at him like he was a monster when he finally did. 

Skyler wanted to help Walt cover it up and when Hank finally got the cuffs on him, Walt (in her view) took action.  shoot, Skyler helped make that video.  I think it may have even been her idea.

Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 16, 2013, 12:44:48 PM
What is to become of Huell? May be the question that is never answered:

Man, I hope them boys come back pretty soon.  I'm gettin' hongry.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6cc388508fb9a856924d8983fe487aa/tumblr_mrsgldZrzQ1r081kyo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 16, 2013, 03:31:25 PM
Stealing this comment from elsewhere;

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I'm amazed that the supposed 'trolling' by Gilligan is mentioned, but not the fact that Flynn/WaltJr first asks Skylar, 'Why did you go along with him?' in front of Marie, and then in the car, most devastatingly and correctly -- "You're just as bad as he is."

Skylar is every bit a monster as Walter is, including 'stealing' the kids from the spouse. It's a joke that the supposed 'feminist defenders' of a lying, cheating, stealing, adulterous, murder-suggesting, meth-profiting character such as Skylar think people have her all wrong.

Also, Todd is a fudgeed up individual.  We know he has a thing for Lydia, but the guy is possibly autistic.  Who knows what the fudge is wrong with him. 

His family now has millions and millions of dollars. Cooking blue meth isn't and shouldn't be of their concern, but for some reason he is forcing Jesse to cook.  Why?

I think it's in his head that if he can get the blue meth rolling into Lydia's hands, he'll be able to win her over. 

I'm also reminded of a line Mike said earlier in season 5:

"We had a good thing going, Walt."

And he made a few more comments about how Gus was special when it came to running a drug empire.  And looking back at it, he was. 

Imagine the security Walt and his family would have if he dropped Jesse when he joined up with Gus.  I don't think Jesse would have even cared.  It was Walt's love - for whatever reason - for Jesse that started the downward spiral. 

He could have cooked meth every day in that laundry mat, picked up his hundred thousand dollar paycheck, and gone home to his family.  But by sticking with Jesse, Gus was going to have to get rid of them because Jesse was unstable and would get in Gus's way of doing things. 

The drug empire fell into the hands of Walt who as Mike said is a "ticking time bomb," which turned out to be true.  Then even worse, it appears that the blue meth has fallen into the hands of a bunch of redneck Nazis who are careless (blood on the shoe) and sociopathic (Todd).
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUownsU on September 16, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Now Im really wondering who the ricin and guns were for? The early foreshadowing showed Walt gearing up for something one last time. Is Skylar the target? Maybe Jessie escapes and him and Walt have one final showdown? Maybe Walt hears what Uncle Jack is doing with Jessie and decides to just wipe em all out, himself included?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 17, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
Now Im really wondering who the ricin and guns were for? The early foreshadowing showed Walt gearing up for something one last time. Is Skylar the target? Maybe Jessie escapes and him and Walt have one final showdown? Maybe Walt hears what Uncle Jack is doing with Jessie and decides to just wipe em all out, himself included?

Gotta be the Nazis.  They took his money. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on September 17, 2013, 06:47:18 AM
I'm thinking Walt goes back for Jesse, kills the Nazis. Jesse kills Todd only after Todd shoots Walt. The final scene will be every character is in a dinner, packing heat. When Jesse shoots Saul, and you have 5 minutes straight of gun fire...everyone dies. Then before the credits roll, some guy doing a voice over says "Meth kills everyone that you care about, say no to Meth" while the camera pans over all the dead bodys in the little dinner.
We all thought everyone died, but the only person left is Holly and she's sitting in her stroller holding a tiny keychain gun with smoke still coming out of the barrel while she grins. Then it says that 10 years later Holly, with her foster parents, had her name legally changed to Beatrice Kiddo.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 17, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
I'm thinking Walt goes back for Jesse, kills the Nazis. Jesse kills Todd only after Todd shoots Walt. The final scene will be every character is in a dinner, packing heat. When Jesse shoots Saul, and you have 5 minutes straight of gun fire...everyone dies. Then before the credits roll, some guy doing a voice over says "Meth kills everyone that you care about, say no to Meth" while the camera pans over all the dead bodys in the little dinner.
We all thought everyone died, but the only person left is Holly and she's sitting in her stroller holding a tiny keychain gun with smoke still coming out of the barrel while she grins. Then it says that 10 years later Holly, with her foster parents, had her name legally changed to Beatrice Kiddo.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 17, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
I have decided I want to have Marie's babies.  I don't know why. 

Then I hope that baby grows up and murders Skyler.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 17, 2013, 11:30:17 AM
Now Im really wondering who the ricin and guns were for? The early foreshadowing showed Walt gearing up for something one last time. Is Skylar the target? Maybe Jessie escapes and him and Walt have one final showdown? Maybe Walt hears what Uncle Jack is doing with Jessie and decides to just wipe em all out, himself included?

Right before Walt hung up on Skyler, he told her he had something he needed to take care of.  He could have been talking about contacting the guy that will help him disappear, or he could have been talking about putting Holly somewhere that she could be found and returned to Skyler.

But, I think Walt was referring to the fact that he needed to get away and plan his revenge against the Nazis.  Like THS said, they took his money that he threw away his life to earn, so I don't think he's just going to disappear and let that one go.

Unless they have a dramatic final change in Walt's character (which is completely possible), I don't think he'll kill Jesse...at least not intentionally.  Maybe he comes back and tries to kill the Nazis, but doesn't realize Jesse is cooking for them and accidentally kills him.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 17, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Right before Walt hung up on Skyler, he told her he had something he needed to take care of.  He could have been talking about contacting the guy that will help him disappear, or he could have been talking about putting Holly somewhere that she could be found and returned to Skyler.

But, I think Walt was referring to the fact that he needed to get away and plan his revenge against the Nazis.  Like THS said, they took his money that he threw away his life to earn, so I don't think he's just going to disappear and let that one go.

Unless they have a dramatic final change in Walt's character (which is completely possible), I don't think he'll kill Jesse...at least not intentionally.  Maybe he comes back and tries to kill the Nazis, but doesn't realize Jesse is cooking for them and accidentally kills him.
Maybe he teams with Lydia initially because I don't see Walt going all Indiana Jones after Nazis. I could however envision a giant explosion as with Gus but don't really care to see that AGAIN.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 17, 2013, 02:52:41 PM
Unless they have a dramatic final change in Walt's character (which is completely possible), I don't think he'll kill Jesse...at least not intentionally.  Maybe he comes back and tries to kill the Nazis, but doesn't realize Jesse is cooking for them and accidentally kills him.
First of all, I think he's officially "broken bad".

If I were in his shoes? And that little bitch spit in my face literally and figuratively? Brought the po-po down on me? Used my brother-in-law to bring me down? Is directly responsible for your whole world crashing down? Despite the fact that Walt has saved his life countless times and flat out refused to compromise him under any circumstances? fudge Jesse. fudge that turncoat fudgeing traitor. When he told him he watched his girlfriend die, I was like "fudge yeah, take that, bitch!"

Like I said, maybe I'm psychologically damaged, but I still can justify everything Walt has done to this point. I would see to it that Jesse dies a slow, tortuous death.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 17, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
First of all, I think he's officially "broken bad".

If I were in his shoes? And that little bitch spit in my face literally and figuratively? Brought the po-po down on me? Used my brother-in-law to bring me down? Is directly responsible for your whole world crashing down? Despite the fact that Walt has saved his life countless times and flat out refused to compromise him under any circumstances? fudge Jesse. fudge that turncoat fudgeing traitor. When he told him he watched his girlfriend die, I was like "fudge yeah, take that, bitch!"

Like I said, maybe I'm psychologically damaged, but I still can justify everything Walt has done to this point. I would see to it that Jesse dies a slow, tortuous death.
:jaw:Walt could be caught, tethered and forced to cook at least one more time.
And fudge Jessie.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 17, 2013, 06:21:03 PM
First of all, I think he's officially "broken bad".

If I were in his shoes? And that little bitch spit in my face literally and figuratively? Brought the po-po down on me? Used my brother-in-law to bring me down? Is directly responsible for your whole world crashing down? Despite the fact that Walt has saved his life countless times and flat out refused to compromise him under any circumstances? fudge Jesse. fudge that turncoat fudgeing traitor. When he told him he watched his girlfriend die, I was like "fudge yeah, take that, bitch!"

Like I said, maybe I'm psychologically damaged, but I still can justify everything Walt has done to this point. I would see to it that Jesse dies a slow, tortuous death.

No.  I'm a Jesse fan.  The last one with a shred of humanity other than Walt's simpering kid. 

Hank bent the rules.
Betsy is a thief.
Skyler is a bitch, whore, skank, slut, tramp enabler and manipulator. She's worse than Walt.
Waltenberg lost his soul a long time ago.
Saul never had one.
Huell is a soldier.
Fring was straight business.
Mike was business, too. Cold, no soul.
Lydia is calculating, no remorse.
Todd is retarded.
The "family" is morally bankrupt. 

Jesse is the only one left who agonizes over what has been done and must be done. He's the last one who's managed to keep a little piece of his human decency. He looked up to Walt, needed a father figure in his life and Walt used that to control him.  Classic manipulation.

I always wanted Tony Soprano to get away clean.  Wanted him to have his life (and I think he did despite what some claim the ending meant.)  But Walt?  Die already.  And kill Skyler before you go.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 17, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Jesse was cooking meth before he ever met Walt.  He pulled the trigger on Gale.  It was his idea to rob the train. 

He keeps making immoral decisions and going along with morally bankrupt people and then gets depressed over e consequences. 

Then to go along with the DEA?

What kind of man talks to the DEA?  No man. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 17, 2013, 07:01:03 PM
Jesse was cooking meth before he ever met Walt.  He pulled the trigger on Gale.  It was his idea to rob the train. 

He keeps making immoral decisions and going along with morally bankrupt people and then gets depressed over e consequences. 

Then to go along with the DEA?

What kind of man talks to the DEA?  No man.
Damn straight!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUownsU on September 17, 2013, 07:49:02 PM
If Walt does go after Uncle Jack and crew I don't think it will be about the money. If Jack and them wouldn't have showed up he was gonna lose all of it anyway. Its kinda like Jack and crew did him a favor as far as the money goes. Imo but I think something comes up and Jack and company will want to kill Sky. Maybe they think she knows to much and decide to tie up all the loose ends. If that's the case I can Walt going on a suicide mission and somewhat redeeming himself to his family by saving them. But honestly I don't have a fudgeing clue. I just got a feeling his last mission is gonna be a suicide mission.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 17, 2013, 08:54:47 PM
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If Walt does go after Uncle Jack and crew I don't think it will be about the money.

Walt has $11 million.  He'll spend some of it on himself getting to New Hampshire and changing his identity. 

This whole shabang was about his family and their financial security.  When he realized that his meth was not only going to make him the $700k he needed but rather loads more, he got greedy and turned into Heisenberg. 

Don't forget the following lines:

"Do you know how much Grey Matter is worth?  Billions.  With a 'b'" - Walter White

"I know what he cares about most" - Jesse right before faking the video of them having Walter's money.

And think about how Walter responded to the phone call.  He freaked the fudge out.  Lost his cool.  Ran red lights.  Drove recklessly.  Spouted off a bunch of information that could incriminate him over a cellphone.  Was hoodwinked by Jesse Pinkman, the former student that was always ten steps behind him. 

Walt cares about his money, and that control freak is not going to allow a couple of redneck wanna be gangsters just waltz out of town with it. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUownsU on September 17, 2013, 10:04:42 PM
Oh I'm with you about Walt being in empire mode. However, the only thing he has shown he would place over money so far is family. Hell he was even going to give the money (or atleast some of it) to Jack to save Hank's sorry ass. Though we may differ on the motive I'm also thinking that Jack and crew will be the target. I also believe Jesse is probably fudgeed as well. More than he already is if thats possible.

SPOILER: Also I'm pretty sure when they showed next weeks perviews at the end he is having a conversation with Jack about Skylar. Could be wrong about that though.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 18, 2013, 12:35:00 PM
If I were in his shoes? And that little bitch spit in my face literally and figuratively? Brought the po-po down on me? Used my brother-in-law to bring me down? Is directly responsible for your whole world crashing down? Despite the fact that Walt has saved his life countless times and flat out refused to compromise him under any circumstances? fudge Jesse. fudge that turncoat fudgeing traitor. When he told him he watched his girlfriend die, I was like "fudge yeah, take that, bitch!"

I still don't think Walt has it in him to kill Jesse himself.  He saw Jesse hiding under the car.  Did he wait on Jack and family to leave and then kill him?  No...he handed him over to Jack to be killed.  Then Todd gets an idea about not killing him now, and instead taking him off somewhere else, and Walt agrees to it.

I have no doubt that Walt wants Jesse gone, but I just don't think he can do it himself.  Which is why I don't think the gun or ricin are for Jesse, unless they have Walt go through another psychological change between this last episode and the next couple of episodes.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 23, 2013, 01:00:05 AM
Heard some grumbling that "not enough happened" tonight as the next to last episode is in the books. 

A lot happened if you ask me, it just wasn't all action. 

The Gray Matter interview pulled back the curtain on Walt's soul, really.  He's spent all his life resenting their success, resenting his perceived failure, resenting that he had to scramble while they raked it in without any regard for him. 

Family?  Maybe at first.  Maybe for five minutes. But this is all about Walt's personal empowerment. It's about him proving to them, to Hank, to himself that he's not "that guy." 

That he essentially turned himself in and then decided not to after watching the Gray Matter people diminish his accomplishments sells that.

It was an important epidode. 

BTW, the Emmy's can blow me.  That horse-faced skank Skyler won an Emmy and she was the worst actor on the show.  Aaron Paul deserves six Emmys for his work this season.  Giving dog-collar Cannavale the best supporting actor award for his cringe-worthy overacting on Boardwalk Empire is a disgrace. His butchered performance is a big reason I quit watching it. 

How anybody could deny Cranston is beyond me.  He is actually ACTING.

As much as I loved Gandolfini getting recognition, Tony Soprano was essentially an extension of his own personality.  He was never far removed from that character no matter what role he tried to play. 

Cranston and Heisenberg?  It's like a skin the guy puts on.  You can't square the two people.  One of the best performances I've ever seen in my life.  And they give the award to Dumber?  Are you serious?  Absolutely ridiculous and a total ripoff. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Jumbo on September 23, 2013, 03:15:11 AM
The last two episodes are the best television episodes I've ever seen and I'm halfway through Sopranos season 4. Aaron Paul not winning an Emmy for his role on breaking Bad is a joke.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 23, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
The last two episodes are the best television episodes I've ever seen and I'm halfway through Sopranos season 4. Aaron Paul not winning an Emmy for his role on breaking Bad is a joke.

Not going back to that debate.  Both are great in their own ways. 

I read this morning that the Emmys broadcast last night don't consider these last eight episodes those will be part of NEXT year's Emmys.

FWIW, Cranston already has three, Paul has two. 

Weird that last night was the first time for the series and for Skyler.  Hank needs one too. 

I hated seeing Gunn win one because she's terrible. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on September 24, 2013, 06:13:38 PM
Read an interesting theory:

Walt was done...beaten...until he saw the Gray Matter segment.  He had turned himself in and was giving up.  But his fudgeing ego couldn't stand for him to be a "naming" footnote in that company.

The gun is for Jesse and the Nazis (he knows they didn't kill Jesse because the news broadcast noted the return of the blue meth)...but the ricin is for his former partners.

Ultimately, it wasn't about family for Walt.  He's been seething his whole life over the Gray Matter issue.  He's been an accommodating sad sack, taking the high road his whole life...until he became Heisenberg.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 24, 2013, 06:18:56 PM
Read an interesting theory:

Walt was done...beaten...until he saw the Gray Matter segment.  He had turned himself in and was giving up.  But his fudgeing ego couldn't stand for him to be a "naming" footnote in that company.

The gun is for Jesse and the Nazis (he knows they didn't kill Jesse because the news broadcast noted the return of the blue meth)...but the ricin is for his former partners.

Ultimately, it wasn't about family for Walt.  He's been seething his whole life over the Gray Matter issue.  He's been an accommodating sad sack, taking the high road his whole life...until he became Heisenberg.
They talked about that on Talking gad.

The Gray Matter segment is directly juxtaposed with calling Flynn and begging him to accept the money. Immediately after that call, he called to turn himself in. Then he sees Gray Matter segment and "not so fast, my friend." That's case in point that it's not about family for him. It's about Gray Matter and pride.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 24, 2013, 06:50:06 PM
Read an interesting theory:

Walt was done...beaten...until he saw the Gray Matter segment.  He had turned himself in and was giving up.  But his fudgeing ego couldn't stand for him to be a "naming" footnote in that company.

The gun is for Jesse and the Nazis (he knows they didn't kill Jesse because the news broadcast noted the return of the blue meth)...but the ricin is for his former partners.

Ultimately, it wasn't about family for Walt.  He's been seething his whole life over the Gray Matter issue.  He's been an accommodating sad sack, taking the high road his whole life...until he became Heisenberg.

Every word of this.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 24, 2013, 07:17:47 PM
Read today that the hockey game that was being played in the bar that Walt was sitting at was on one particular Wisconsin/U. of Denver game. They were able to narrow the game down by the announcers naming some of the players on the Wisconsin team and the location that the game was at.

The thing about this game...is that Denver was up 3-1 with 6:00 to go in the 3rd period when Wisconsin scored 6 goals late in the game to win 7-4.

Take of it what you will.....
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: wesfau2 on September 24, 2013, 07:40:16 PM
They talked about that on Talking gad.

The Gray Matter segment is directly juxtaposed with calling Flynn and begging him to accept the money. Immediately after that call, he called to turn himself in. Then he sees Gray Matter segment and "not so fast, my friend." That's case in point that it's not about family for him. It's about Gray Matter and pride.

Ahhh...I avoid the "talking" shows.  Seemed too good for a viewer take, anyway.

Read today that the hockey game that was being played in the bar that Walt was sitting at was on one particular Wisconsin/U. of Denver game. They were able to narrow the game down by the announcers naming some of the players on the Wisconsin team and the location that the game was at.

The thing about this game...is that Denver was up 3-1 with 6:00 to go in the 3rd period when Wisconsin scored 6 goals late in the game to win 7-4.

Take of it what you will.....

Awesome...that sort of crazy detail seems not crazy at all in Gilligan's works.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 24, 2013, 08:25:32 PM
Read today that the hockey game that was being played in the bar that Walt was sitting at was on one particular Wisconsin/U. of Denver game. They were able to narrow the game down by the announcers naming some of the players on the Wisconsin team and the location that the game was at.

The thing about this game...is that Denver was up 3-1 with 6:00 to go in the 3rd period when Wisconsin scored 6 goals late in the game to win 7-4.

Take of it what you will.....

Head Nazi
Nazi that jokes
Todd
Lydia
Gretchen
Elliott

All gone die.  But Flynn, Marie, and Jesse all die too. 

Final score, 7-4. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 24, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Read an interesting theory:
TWO POSTS ABOVE BY KAOS
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 24, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9fad382f07910d025352cf1c8a3023e1/tumblr_mrs3rjWvnd1qdm2suo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 24, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
I think it's a little too obvious for Vince Gilligan's writing style that Walt sees the other founders of Gray Matter and suddenly wants to go after them.

Here's an unforeseen (and maybe unlikely) theory for you:

The founders of Gray Matter just got on TV and made up a bunch of shoot about how Walt did nothing, other than help create the company name.  Walt's story (whether correct or just his preferentially skewed version of the story) is that he was a legit founder and a brilliant scientist who helped start the company.  However, the other founders of Gray Matter just rewrote history by telling their story and having people believe it.

So Walt formulates a plan about how he is going to win his family back.  Win his legacy back.  Clear his name.

He's going to pin all of the meth business on other people, most likely Jack's crew and Lydia.  Maybe even Jesse.  Or maybe he makes amends with Jesse by clearing his name as well.  Hell, maybe he even pins it on Gray Matter somehow...convinces the public that their millions were made illegally in the meth business, and that they kicked him out because he didn't want to be complicit with their plans.  He somehow devises a way to show that Gray Matter pinned everything on Walt because he was going to go public, but that he didn't go public initially because they gave him hush money.  Then when he threatened to go public, they got the DEA involved in an attempt to put him away, but Gray Matter's thugs (Jack's crew) got greedy, killed the DEA, and took Walt's hush money.  They then kept him quiet by threatening to kill Jesse and/or turn Walt in to the DEA if he didn't disappear.

Walt proves himself one last time, showing that he has not developed fully into Heisenberg.  He's still Walt the genius that can do anything.  Walt, Jr. will no longer hate him because he's convinced him that he wasn't at fault.  Skyler keeps her fudgeing mouth shut, lest she get herself into trouble for being complicit with Walt's voluntary meth dealings, and she regains some respect for Walt due to him saving their family from continued public humiliation and criminal prosecution.  Same with Jesse.  Marie has no evidence and can go fudge herself with a purple dildo.

Ultimately, Walt dies of cancer.  But not before he re-establishes his legacy and clears his name, at least to some degree so that his family is safe and those that he despises are royally fudgeed.



Or, more realistically, Walt goes into a witness protection program as a Power Rangers villain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 25, 2013, 12:12:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwxrB8qWCI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwxrB8qWCI#)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 08:59:11 AM


Yours was tl;dr.

Plus his had no comparisons to your other favorite shows.

You're right though in that the ending of this show seems to be the total opposite of another particular show we like that wandered endlessly until it got to its finale.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
I think it's a little too obvious for Vince Gilligan's writing style that Walt sees the other founders of Gray Matter and suddenly wants to go after them.

Here's an unforeseen (and maybe unlikely) theory for you:

The founders of Gray Matter just got on TV and made up a bunch of shoot about how Walt did nothing, other than help create the company name.  Walt's story (whether correct or just his preferentially skewed version of the story) is that he was a legit founder and a brilliant scientist who helped start the company.  However, the other founders of Gray Matter just rewrote history by telling their story and having people believe it.

So Walt formulates a plan about how he is going to win his family back.  Win his legacy back.  Clear his name.

He's going to pin all of the meth business on other people, most likely Jack's crew and Lydia.  Maybe even Jesse.  Or maybe he makes amends with Jesse by clearing his name as well.  Hell, maybe he even pins it on Gray Matter somehow...convinces the public that their millions were made illegally in the meth business, and that they kicked him out because he didn't want to be complicit with their plans.  He somehow devises a way to show that Gray Matter pinned everything on Walt because he was going to go public, but that he didn't go public initially because they gave him hush money.  Then when he threatened to go public, they got the DEA involved in an attempt to put him away, but Gray Matter's thugs (Jack's crew) got greedy, killed the DEA, and took Walt's hush money.  They then kept him quiet by threatening to kill Jesse and/or turn Walt in to the DEA if he didn't disappear.

Walt proves himself one last time, showing that he has not developed fully into Heisenberg.  He's still Walt the genius that can do anything.  Walt, Jr. will no longer hate him because he's convinced him that he wasn't at fault.  Skyler keeps her fudgeing mouth shut, lest she get herself into trouble for being complicit with Walt's voluntary meth dealings, and she regains some respect for Walt due to him saving their family from continued public humiliation and criminal prosecution.  Same with Jesse.  Marie has no evidence and can go fudge herself with a purple dildo.

Ultimately, Walt dies of cancer.  But not before he re-establishes his legacy and clears his name, at least to some degree so that his family is safe and those that he despises are royally fudgeed.



Or, more realistically, Walt goes into a witness protection program as a Power Rangers villain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws)

I'm more inclined to believe his side more. His pure meth proves his chemistry skill level. He is no doubt brilliant in that realm.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 25, 2013, 09:20:39 AM
For those paying attention the end has already been shown.

Negro Y Azul
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 09:30:56 AM
For those paying attention the end has already been shown.

Negro Y Azul

Do you think the cartel is still a factor?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 25, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
I think it's a little too obvious for Vince Gilligan's writing style that Walt sees the other founders of Gray Matter and suddenly wants to go after them.

Here's an unforeseen (and maybe unlikely) theory for you:

The founders of Gray Matter just got on TV and made up a bunch of shoot about how Walt did nothing, other than help create the company name.  Walt's story (whether correct or just his preferentially skewed version of the story) is that he was a legit founder and a brilliant scientist who helped start the company.  However, the other founders of Gray Matter just rewrote history by telling their story and having people believe it.

So Walt formulates a plan about how he is going to win his family back.  Win his legacy back.  Clear his name.

He's going to pin all of the meth business on other people, most likely Jack's crew and Lydia.  Maybe even Jesse.  Or maybe he makes amends with Jesse by clearing his name as well.  Hell, maybe he even pins it on Gray Matter somehow...convinces the public that their millions were made illegally in the meth business, and that they kicked him out because he didn't want to be complicit with their plans.  He somehow devises a way to show that Gray Matter pinned everything on Walt because he was going to go public, but that he didn't go public initially because they gave him hush money.  Then when he threatened to go public, they got the DEA involved in an attempt to put him away, but Gray Matter's thugs (Jack's crew) got greedy, killed the DEA, and took Walt's hush money.  They then kept him quiet by threatening to kill Jesse and/or turn Walt in to the DEA if he didn't disappear.

Walt proves himself one last time, showing that he has not developed fully into Heisenberg.  He's still Walt the genius that can do anything.  Walt, Jr. will no longer hate him because he's convinced him that he wasn't at fault.  Skyler keeps her fudgeing mouth shut, lest she get herself into trouble for being complicit with Walt's voluntary meth dealings, and she regains some respect for Walt due to him saving their family from continued public humiliation and criminal prosecution.  Same with Jesse.  Marie has no evidence and can go fudge herself with a purple dildo.

Ultimately, Walt dies of cancer.  But not before he re-establishes his legacy and clears his name, at least to some degree so that his family is safe and those that he despises are royally fudgeed.



Or, more realistically, Walt goes into a witness protection program as a Power Rangers villain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRf9n2fbSv4#ws)

I can't think of many scenarios where I would be disappointed with the ending...however, this would be one of them...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 25, 2013, 09:33:04 AM
Do you think the cartel is still a factor?

I think he was referring to Walt being dead..."but doesn't know it yet."
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 25, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
I think he was referring to Walt being dead..."but doesn't know it yet."
Do you think the cartel is still a factor?
I'm guessing his theory involves both. The cartel catches up to him when he's not expecting it.

I like VV's ending better.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 09:48:34 AM
I'm guessing his theory involves both. The cartel catches up to him when he's not expecting it.

I like VV's ending better.

Right. At the cartels hands possibly. As the song mentions.

I think no matter the ending, like WE said it's going to be hard to be disappointed. Should be a blaze of glory.

Anyone know if it will be a 2 hour deal for the finale? Haven't even looked.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 25, 2013, 10:00:42 AM
Right. At the cartels hands possibly. As the song mentions.

I think no matter the ending, like WE said it's going to be hard to be disappointed. Should be a blaze of glory.

Anyone know if it will be a 2 hour deal for the finale? Haven't even looked.

75 minutes. Titled Felina.

Cat reference?

Finale scrambled?

or FeLiNa?
Fe-Iron-Blood
Li-Lithium-Meth
Na-Sodium-Tears

Blood-Meth-Tears

Take of it what you will...


Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 25, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/09/24/hidden-breaking-bad-the-stuff-you-may-have-missed/ (http://entertainment.time.com/2013/09/24/hidden-breaking-bad-the-stuff-you-may-have-missed/)

Worth the read. Some of the stuff we have talked about. Some we haven't.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 10:19:27 AM
75 minutes. Titled Felina.

Cat reference?

Finale scrambled?

or FeLiNa?
Fe-Iron-Blood
Li-Lithium-Meth
Na-Sodium-Tears

Blood-Meth-Tears

Take of it what you will...
I'm trying my hardest not to over think it. Trying to be like prowler and just sit back and enjoy the ride. Hard to do that though. Gonna be sad to see this all end Sunday.

The advertising spots will be close to Super Bowl commercial prices I would think. Could break some cable ratings records.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 25, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
75 minutes. Titled Felina.

Cat reference?

Finale scrambled?

or FeLiNa?
Fe-Iron-Blood
Li-Lithium-Meth
Na-Sodium-Tears

Blood-Meth-Tears

Take of it what you will...

Vince already said that Felina is just an anagram for Finale and implied that no one should make too much of it.  Of course, the dude is always setting his tricks and twists, so who knows? 

I doubt the cartel comes back.  I think the purpose of the Don Eladio massacre was to show that Gus eradicated the cartel from the Southwest meth business.  He killed the competition setting up Walt to build his empire in season 5. 

I really have no idea how it will end.  I've read good arguments against the ending being focused on Grey Matter.  I've read good arguments for the ending being focused on Grey Matter.

Personally, I think Grey Matter is heavily involved.  Not sure if it'll be Walt trying to take them down or what.  I really don't see him going on a shooting spree just trying to kill everyone in the show.  I know the show is titled Breaking Bad, but I don't think Vince meant for that to mean "going to the fullest depths of evil such as mass shooting your own family and friends."  Seems too sick and twisted for Walt to do that.

I like to think that the ending will portray Walt's consistent character throughout the show.  He has always been calculating.  He has always been able to get the upper hand.  Every time we start to dislike Walt, he maneuvers into being the guy that we were always rooting for whether or not we think he's a scumbag. 

Is the Ozy episode, we saw once again that Walt just wants his family.  He got cancer and wanted to make sure his family was financially secure for the rest of their lives.  His pride and ego and controlling nature affected the way he conducted business, but in the end, he just wanted to get his money to his family. 

That has to be the focus.  He's going to win.  I don't believe Vince allows this show to end with Walt's family in ruin and Walt dead on the ground knowing he ruined them. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 10:29:27 AM
Vince already said that Felina is just an anagram for Finale and implied that no one should make too much of it.  Of course, the dude is always setting his tricks and twists, so who knows? 

I doubt the cartel comes back.  I think the purpose of the Don Eladio massacre was to show that Gus eradicated the cartel from the Southwest meth business.  He killed the competition setting up Walt to build his empire in season 5. 

I really have no idea how it will end.  I've read good arguments against the ending being focused on Grey Matter.  I've read good arguments for the ending being focused on Grey Matter.

Personally, I think Grey Matter is heavily involved.  Not sure if it'll be Walt trying to take them down or what.  I really don't see him going on a shooting spree just trying to kill everyone in the show.  I know the show is titled Breaking Bad, but I don't think Vince meant for that to mean "going to the fullest depths of evil such as mass shooting your own family and friends."  Seems too sick and twisted for Walt to do that.

I like to think that the ending will portray Walt's consistent character throughout the show.  He has always been calculating.  He has always been able to get the upper hand.  Every time we start to dislike Walt, he maneuvers into being the guy that we were always rooting for whether or not we think he's a scumbag. 

Is the Ozy episode, we saw once again that Walt just wants his family.  He got cancer and wanted to make sure his family was financially secure for the rest of their lives.  His pride and ego and controlling nature affected the way he conducted business, but in the end, he just wanted to get his money to his family. 

That has to be the focus.  He's going to win.  I don't believe Vince allows this show to end with Walt's family in ruin and Walt dead on the ground knowing he ruined them.

I fully believe the entire show and Walts entire motive relates back to Grey Matter. He's pissed and has a chip on his shoulder. That's pretty obvious. I think that's the "what". How will it all go down and to what extent? That's where everyone has a theory. I agree that I don't think Walt would stoop to a mass shooting involving any of his loved ones.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 25, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
Vince already said that Felina is just an anagram for Finale and implied that no one should make too much of it.  Of course, the dude is always setting his tricks and twists, so who knows? 

I doubt the cartel comes back.  I think the purpose of the Don Eladio massacre was to show that Gus eradicated the cartel from the Southwest meth business.  He killed the competition setting up Walt to build his empire in season 5. 

I really have no idea how it will end.  I've read good arguments against the ending being focused on Grey Matter.  I've read good arguments for the ending being focused on Grey Matter.

Personally, I think Grey Matter is heavily involved.  Not sure if it'll be Walt trying to take them down or what.  I really don't see him going on a shooting spree just trying to kill everyone in the show.  I know the show is titled Breaking Bad, but I don't think Vince meant for that to mean "going to the fullest depths of evil such as mass shooting your own family and friends."  Seems too sick and twisted for Walt to do that.

I like to think that the ending will portray Walt's consistent character throughout the show.  He has always been calculating.  He has always been able to get the upper hand.  Every time we start to dislike Walt, he maneuvers into being the guy that we were always rooting for whether or not we think he's a scumbag. 

Is the Ozy episode, we saw once again that Walt just wants his family.  He got cancer and wanted to make sure his family was financially secure for the rest of their lives.  His pride and ego and controlling nature affected the way he conducted business, but in the end, he just wanted to get his money to his family. 

That has to be the focus.  He's going to win.  I don't believe Vince allows this show to end with Walt's family in ruin and Walt dead on the ground knowing he ruined them.
I dunno... Classic Greek tragedy formula. The series has always been described as "Mr. Chips turns into Scarface." How did Scarface end? The kind of hubris displayed by Walt throughout the series, the win-at-all-costs mentality, leaving others in his wake in pursuit of power and respect almost never goes unpunished in stories like this.

I'm don't think it will be as simple as he goes on a shooting spree and takes out the Gray Matter folks just to say he did it. Same with his family. But I expect something along the lines of what VV was saying in that he "gets back" at them, or at least tries to. Perhaps unsuccessfully. Maybe to do so, methodically, there is a calculated necessity to harm his family. Not sure about that, but I could see that as the culmination of "Breaking Bad". He had no qualms with killing Jesse's loved ones for the "greater good" of his rise in power. Maybe now that he's truly lost everything, and his former business partners are mocking him and dismissing him, which has proven to be what eats at him more than anything, he has a calculated plan to prove the world and especially Gray Matter wrong. Maybe the framing someone else involves harming his own family. I think that's consistent with the story this series is telling.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 25, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
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Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 25, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
The list of great shows that fizzled and flopped toward the end is long and distinguished.  Kudos to Breaking Bad for accelerating to the finish unlike:

The Sopranos
Dexter
The Office
All In the Family
Battlestar
Seinfeld
XFiles
Friends
St. Elsewhere
I Love Lucy

Even shows that had decent sendoffs (M*A*S*H, Newhart, etc.) had wobbled to the finish with sub-par later seasons that felt like the actors were phoning it in or were lazy. 

Or shows jumped the shark (Happy Days, literally) or brought in aliens (Happy Days again) and simply fizzled. Andy Griffith, Perry Mason also fit this bill.   

I can't think of another series like this that finished stronger than it began.  And there's little question (to me) that these last seven episodes are among the best of the entire series.  Darker, less humor, but consistently great. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 25, 2013, 11:09:11 AM
Anyone notice that at the bar, Walt once again ordered his drink neat?

Maybe a sign that Skylar survives? That by the time we see him making a "52" out of bacon he had stopped taking on the traits of those he'd killed?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 25, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Anyone notice that at the bar, Walt once again ordered his drink neat?

Maybe a sign that Skylar survives? That by the time we see him making a "52" out of bacon he had stopped taking on the traits of those he'd killed?

Wouldn't that be a sign that she actually dies?  That would be taking on her trait, correct?  She always makes his birthday number out of bacon.  This time, he did it because that's the trait he took. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 25, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
The list of great shows that fizzled and flopped toward the end is long and distinguished.  Kudos to Breaking Bad for accelerating to the finish unlike:

The Sopranos
Dexter
The Office
All In the Family
Battlestar
Seinfeld
XFiles
Friends
St. Elsewhere
I Love Lucy

Even shows that had decent sendoffs (M*A*S*H, Newhart, etc.) had wobbled to the finish with sub-par later seasons that felt like the actors were phoning it in or were lazy. 

Or shows jumped the shark (Happy Days, literally) or brought in aliens (Happy Days again) and simply fizzled. Andy Griffith, Perry Mason also fit this bill.   

I can't think of another series like this that finished stronger than it began.  And there's little question (to me) that these last seven episodes are among the best of the entire series.  Darker, less humor, but consistently great.

I want to say that The Sopranos may be a similar to this, but I've never seen the show, so I really don't know.

But Breaking Bad is a 60+ hour long movie.  You can watch them straight through.  It's not a procedural.    It's not episodic.  I think that's helped it stay strong from start to finish. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 25, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
Wouldn't that be a sign that she actually dies?  That would be taking on her trait, correct?  She always makes his birthday number out of bacon.  This time, he did it because that's the trait he took.
That was the old theory.

What I'm saying is, Walt always ordered his drink neat. When Mike & Walt shared a drink, Walt ordered his neat and Mike ordered his on the rocks. After he killed Mike, he started ordering drinks on the rocks.

But in Nebraska, he just ordered his drink neat again.

What I'm saying is, I thought him making 52 out of bacon was a dead giveaway that Skyler was done for. Now, having realized that they deliberately showed him taking his drink neat, he's back to "himself"?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
I want to say that The Sopranos may be a similar to this, but I've never seen the show, so I really don't know.

But Breaking Bad is a 60+ hour long movie.  You can watch them straight through.  It's not a procedural.    It's not episodic.  I think that's helped it stay strong from start to finish.

You need to watch sopranos.

It's great. Not gonna get into the comparisons, which is better etc. they are both good in different ways.

Sopranos has such a arc to it. Some kid gets killed in season 1 I think and I swear they were still talking about it in season 5. And it was for a reason. If you saw the later episode without the first ones it would make no sense sometimes. I'd say sopranos HAS to be watched from start to finish to get the best out of it.  It's that complicated with lots of subplots going on.

To me they are both by far the best two shows this millennium. Up there with the best all time.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 25, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
You need to watch sopranos.

It's great. Not gonna get into the comparisons, which is better etc. they are both good in different ways.

Sopranos has such a arc to it. Some kid gets killed in season 1 I think and I swear they were still talking about it in season 5. And it was for a reason. If you saw the later episode without the first ones it would make no sense sometimes. I'd say sopranos HAS to be watched from start to finish to get the best out of it.  It's that complicated with lots of subplots going on.

To me they are both by far the best two shows this millennium. Up there with the best all time.

Sopranos was a movie.  It was shot like a long movie and minutiae from season one was critical to season four. 

But again it was like after Season Five -- a fantastic season of television, one of the greatest I've ever seen -- The Sopranos didn't know what to do. 

Chase wanted to end it in with a regular arc.  HBO wanted more.  They wanted 22 episodes -- like regular TV -- instead of the 13 that made up a normal season.  Plus there were cast problems, people didn't want to do it, wanted more money, etc. 

There were only 86 total episodes in the series.  22 of them were season six.  That's a quarter of all the episodes and the material just wasn't there. 

So they stuffed it with an outrageous Vito storyline.  They padded it with dream sequences and frivolous wars.  They added people we didn't care about and nobody wanted to see. 

If Season Six had been 13 episodes?   I think it would have been great.  Instead it was bloated, meandering and a lot was out of character I thought.   

That's the difference here.  Breaking Bad is leaving at its apex.  If AMC had gone to Vince G and said, hey you have to make this final season 28 episodes, I think it would have suffered the same fate.  We'd have had bloated arcs about Walt Jr. becoming the school bully and Marie stealing from the Salvation Army and Skyler hooking up with Saul and Huell having a gay affair with Uncle Jack.  All just to fill the space. 

Instead, the show gets to go out strong.

One more episode to cap Season 5 and The Sopranos could have gone out on top.  It didn't. 

I love The Sopranos.  If Tony hadn't existed, Walt wouldn't either.  But I won't watch any of the sixth season again.  It ends after five for me. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 12:31:25 PM
Sopranos was a movie.  It was shot like a long movie and minutiae from season one was critical to season four. 

But again it was like after Season Five -- a fantastic season of television, one of the greatest I've ever seen -- The Sopranos didn't know what to do. 

Chase wanted to end it in with a regular arc.  HBO wanted more.  They wanted 22 episodes -- like regular TV -- instead of the 13 that made up a normal season.  Plus there were cast problems, people didn't want to do it, wanted more money, etc. 

There were only 86 total episodes in the series.  22 of them were season six.  That's a quarter of all the episodes and the material just wasn't there. 

So they stuffed it with an outrageous Vito storyline.  They padded it with dream sequences and frivolous wars.  They added people we didn't care about and nobody wanted to see. 

If Season Six had been 13 episodes?   I think it would have been great.  Instead it was bloated, meandering and a lot was out of character I thought.   

That's the difference here.  Breaking Bad is leaving at its apex.  If AMC had gone to Vince G and said, hey you have to make this final season 28 episodes, I think it would have suffered the same fate.  We'd have had bloated arcs about Walt Jr. becoming the school bully and Marie stealing from the Salvation Army and Skyler hooking up with Saul and Huell having a gay affair with Uncle Jack.  All just to fill the space. 

Instead, the show gets to go out strong.

One more episode to cap Season 5 and The Sopranos could have gone out on top.  It didn't. 

I love The Sopranos.  If Tony hadn't existed, Walt wouldn't either.  But I won't watch any of the sixth season again.  It ends after five for me.

The Vito storyline was forced indeed. It was just plain weird. I'm glad BB is going out on top. Of course the flip side of it is fans will want to see more now. This is the end of it. It's good in a way but bad in another. Good shows are rare now and after Sunday there will be one less on the air.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 25, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
I'm more inclined to believe his side more. His pure meth proves his chemistry skill level. He is no doubt brilliant in that realm.

There was an interview from 2009 with the actress who plays Gretchen.  She said that Vince explained to her and Bryan Cranston the history behind the two.

Basically, Walt and Gretchen were in love and were to be married.  Walt meets Gretchen's family, and he gets an inferiority complex about how wealthy her family is.  Walt just up and leaves Gretchen for that reason, and she's devastated.  Then she marries Elliott, the other co-founder of Gray Matter, and that perturbs Walt.

If they do reveal anything further about his departure from Gray Matter, I think it's going to be learned that Walt's ego and temper are what caused him to impetuously leave, but that he told people another story in order to save face.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 25, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
There was an interview from 2009 with the actress who plays Gretchen.  She said that Vince explained to her and Bryan Cranston the history behind the two.

Basically, Walt and Gretchen were in love and were to be married.  Walt meets Gretchen's family, and he gets an inferiority complex about how wealthy her family is.  Walt just up and leaves Gretchen for that reason, and she's devastated.  Then she marries Elliott, the other co-founder of Gray Matter, and that perturbs Walt.

If they do reveal anything further about his departure from Gray Matter, I think it's going to be learned that Walt's ego and temper are what caused him to impetuously leave, but that he told people another story in order to save face.

That. 

Or he found out something about Gretchen's family or something that Gray Matter was getting into that was against his moral compass. 

Could be anything I guess.  One thing's for sure, after this weekend, we'll know everything we need to know about this story. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 01:50:36 PM
That. 

Or he found out something about Gretchen's family or something that Gray Matter was getting into that was against his moral compass. 

Could be anything I guess.  One thing's for sure, after this weekend, we'll know everything we need to know about this story.

The writer of the last two episodes said grey matter will play big in the finale.

Any chance Walt frames the rednecks with everything-meth and dea deaths, kills off the grey matter folks, takes over grey matter and rides off into the sunset?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 25, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
The writer of the last two episodes said grey matter will play big in the finale.

Any chance Walt frames the rednecks with everything-meth and dea deaths, kills off the grey matter folks, takes over grey matter and rides off into the sunset?

That would be the quite the feat in a 75 minute episode...
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 25, 2013, 03:13:20 PM
That would be the quite the feat in a 75 minute episode...

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Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 25, 2013, 07:01:04 PM
On Conan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66kIF-iO5oQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66kIF-iO5oQ#)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 25, 2013, 07:03:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twpInsI_EyM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twpInsI_EyM#)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 27, 2013, 12:57:12 PM
THS will probably enjoy this...the "I Am The One Who Knocks" speech as written by various famous authors.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/walter-whites-i-am-the-one-who-knocks-speech-as-written-by-other-authors (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/walter-whites-i-am-the-one-who-knocks-speech-as-written-by-other-authors)

Some of my favorites:


Quote
Jane Austen

“I’m the person who gentle folk hear after dinner, what strikes fear in their drawing rooms,” our heroine overheard the balding gentleman in the dark hat and spectacles remark to his astonished wife. “Perhaps we should take to Bath this summer,” the wife replied, changing the subject.


Edgar Allen Poe

“And so I come, heartily rapping, not at all gently tapping, tapping, upon the chamber door. Tis I,” he blustered, “and no one more.”

. . .

Ernest Hemingway

“I knock,” Walt said. That was all.


John Steinbeck

Toast crumbs mingled with butter and the Albuquerque sand in his beard. The auburn hairs engulfed the particles in a flame that would never breathe or grow. He had taken his glasses off but they left marks on his temples, like the skid marks of a teenage drag race in the Dog House parking lot. “I’ll be the one who’s comin’ round to ‘em,” he said, his spittle dripping into the carpet fibers.

. . .

F. Scott Fitzgerald

He glared into the vast obscurity of her eyes with an aggressive intimacy. He needed to hold onto this dream for which he’d paid so dearly. “Are you worried about me, dear girl? Don’t worry about old Heisenberg. He’s the fella who knocks!”

. . .

Dr. Seuss

“What do you think that it could be?

A horse, a cow, a tree, a bee?
You silly lady, don’t you see?

There is just one hand that can knock

It’s not a whimdingler come out of its flock
Nor a wackzinglit in a tick-tock clock

It’s a human hand and it’s on a spree
That hand is free and belongs to me.”
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 27, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
My favorite:

Quote
Ernest Hemingway

“I knock,” Walt said. That was all.

Because it's dry and pointless, just like all of Hemingway's writing outside of Hills like White Elephants. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on September 27, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-highlight-vince-gilligan-next-project (http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-highlight-vince-gilligan-next-project)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 27, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
Jesse Pinkman has lived the worst life imaginable.  (Serious spoilers!) 

Mash it:

http://mashable.com/2013/09/27/jesse-pinkman-supercut/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=rss (http://mashable.com/2013/09/27/jesse-pinkman-supercut/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=rss) 

At first I was laughing but by the end of the video, I started to really feel fudgeing bad for him.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Lurking Tiger on September 28, 2013, 03:29:58 PM

Interesting read. The Shield was an epic show.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/09/breaking_bad_finale_is_poised_to_echo_the_great_fx_show_the_shield.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/09/breaking_bad_finale_is_poised_to_echo_the_great_fx_show_the_shield.html)

My favorite TV show is a Shakespearean tragedy in which the antihero’s sins, spinning out from a fatal decision he makes in the pilot, slowly destroy everyone around him. The main character insists he’s doing it all for his family—but he’s lying, especially to himself. There’s a lot of collateral damage, but this murderer’s worst crime might be the corruption of his vulnerable younger partner. The show maintains a remarkable level of quality throughout its run, and helped put its network on the map. It was largely carried by a great performance from its lead actor, a man previously known mainly for comedy who transformed himself into an Emmy-winning badass.

Of course, I’m talking about The Shield.

As Breaking Bad winds down, conventional wisdom says it’s a contender for Best Show Ever, along with The Wire and The Sopranos. No argument there. But major argument here: The Shield should be in that conversation, too. Shawn Ryan’s saga of Vic Mackey (Michael Chiklis) and the Strike Team, which aired on FX from 2002 to 2008, remains—pardon the expression—criminally underrated. It was every bit as riveting and consistent as Breaking Bad. And the two shows are also remarkably similar. In many ways, The Shield was Breaking Bad before Breaking Bad.

There are notable differences between the two shows, of course, but these are fairly obvious and largely superficial. The deliberate pacing of Breaking Bad is a long way from the frenetic action of The Shield and its shaky-cam visuals (developed by director Clark Johnson in the FX series’ pilot). The Shield is a cop show, and Breaking Bad is a criminal show—though you could argue that both are criminal shows when you really get down to it. The Shield also had more simultaneous storylines going on than Breaking Bad has. (The best of these plots were usually the cases worked by Jay Karnes’ Dutch and CCH Pounder’s Claudette—the show’s good cops, who were no less complex than the bad ones.)

The similarities, on the other hand, are much more extensive—and downright uncanny. They start with the backgrounds of their creators, Shawn Ryan and Vince Gilligan, who each learned the ropes of the TV business in the geekier parts of town (Ryan on Angel and Gilligan on The X-Files). Their stars also share unlikely career paths and transcendent skills. Like Bryan Cranston, Michael Chiklis won the Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series after his show’s first season, impressing the award’s voters with his versatility after years doing lighter fare. Cranston won two more and counting; for reasons I’ll never fathom, The Shield fell off the awards radar after a while. Both Chiklis and Cranston have a remarkable ability to convey the fundamental humanity of their characters, even while doing horrible, terrible things. We see Walt let a choking woman die and watch Vic burn a guy’s face on a stove, and yet it is nearly impossible to turn on them completely.

Similarly, Vic’s and Walt’s second bananas—rogue cop Shane Vendrell (Walton Goggins) and meth cook Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul)—evoke our sympathies despite engaging in many of the same gruesome activities as the big kahunas. Pinkman is so sympathetic and long-suffering you forget that the show’s “moral center” is a drug-making, drug-selling, murdering junkie. On The Shield, Shane Vendrell was even worse; he eventually murders team and family members. Yet his vulnerability, much like Jesse’s, never allows you to write him off as a human being.

These characters retain much of their sympathy for us in large part because they are manipulated and warped by their older partners. The two cops on The Shield have a big brother–little brother vibe; the meth cooks are more of a father-son duo. But in both cases the older partner ends up destroying the life of the younger, more fragile member of the team. Shane’s sins are, to a significant degree, Vic’s fault, just as Walt is largely to blame for some of the worst things Jesse’s done. And on both shows, the younger partner is more damaged and consumed by guilt than his mentor.

There are smaller similarities as well. Bumbling Detective Steve Billings on The Shield provided comic relief in the manner of Breaking Bad’s sleazy lawyer Saul Goodman. Breaking Bad had a severed head on a turtle; The Shield had severed feet all over the place, thanks to the foot-chopping Armenian maniac played by eventual Sons of Anarchy creator Kurt Sutter. Vic and the gang burned corpses; Walt and Jesse dissolved them. And Vic’s wife Corrine (Cathy Cahlin Ryan) was at times loathed by misogynistic fans, much as Walt’s wife Skyler (Anna Gunn) has been.

Lastly, both shows hit it out of the park in their final seasons. (Granted, the ball hasn’t reached the stands yet for Breaking Bad, but the trajectory is good.) “I’ve said for a long time that the best final season of any one of these kinds of shows is The Shield,” Alan Sepinwall recently told Bill Simmons, “and it’s such a good season that it kind of drags The Shield into the pantheon all by itself.” I disagree that The Shield needed to be dragged anywhere, but I can live with Sepinwall’s assessment of the current Breaking Bad season: “I think this year is a better version of that so far.” Both seasons are brutal, logical culminations of a series’ worth of conflict.

The reason these final seasons are spectacular is that they fulfill the Shakespearean promise of the shows’ pilots. Both protagonists doom themselves the first time we meet them: Vic shoots another cop in the face, and Walt starts cooking crystal meth. All the catastrophes that follow spring from these acts. Whatever comes next, Vic and Walt have only themselves to blame for their downfalls. For my money, this makes their stories more satisfying and rich than those of Tony Soprano, Dexter Morgan, Jimmy McNulty, Jax Teller, and so on—who all make terrible mistakes but seem fundamentally screwed by a set of institutions, their families, a personal trauma, or some combination of the three. Vic is a victim of Vic; Walt is a victim of Walt.

After Sunday night, we’ll be able to compare their fates and the shows’ finales. The Shield ended with a cathartic, karmic hellstorm that finished off the series unpredictably yet fittingly. We still don’t know if Walt will go to Belize or how he might get there. As with The Shield, I suspect the fate of the lead’s partner may be even more devastating than the fate of the lead. I just hope it works out for those crazy kids Lydia and Todd.

Whatever happens, Breaking Bad will have a spot in the TV pantheon—right next to The Shield.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: jmar on September 28, 2013, 04:54:39 PM
Bravo Lurking Tiger! Tremendous top-notch analysis comparing the two series. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 29, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Well then. That wrapped up nicely. Especially for Jesse and Walts family. No questions to ask really. Nothing obvious anyway. Pretty much wrapped up the loose ends. Bravo BB.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 29, 2013, 10:35:43 PM
Well then. That wrapped up nicely. Especially for Jesse and Walts family. No questions to ask really. Nothing obvious anyway. Pretty much wrapped up the loose ends. Bravo BB.

It kind of surprised me.  It was the most logical way to end it given what we knew up to the series finale, but I had assumed that Vince would end it with some unexpected twist.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 29, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
Perfect.  Just wrapped it up.

Who thinks Flynn accepts the money?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on September 29, 2013, 10:42:15 PM
Was a little slow.  But...

Very strong ending. Over the last four episodes I learned to hate Walt, grew to pity him and then was moved at his death.  Came to love Walt again.

Well done. 

Glad skyler didnt crap on things by saying she loved him.  I wish he would have shot her.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Prowler on September 30, 2013, 07:21:11 AM
All of Todd's Uncle's gang were wearing different colored shirts...I'm thinking a few of them made it.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 30, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Was a little slow.  But...

Very strong ending. Over the last four episodes I learned to hate Walt, grew to pity him and then was moved at his death.  Came to love Walt again.

Well done. 

Glad skyler didnt crap on things by saying she loved him.  I wish he would have shot her.

I feel like Ozymandias was the final episode in the series, and the last two were an epilogue to give the fans answers. 

I mean, concerning the entire series, what exactly did we learn that was new?  I can't think of anything.  It was just a follow up to let Walt take out the bad guys, give the money a shot at getting to his family, and put a final cap on the series with Walt's death. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on September 30, 2013, 10:38:13 AM
I feel like Ozymandias was the final episode in the series, and the last two were an epilogue to give the fans answers. 

I mean, concerning the entire series, what exactly did we learn that was new?  I can't think of anything.  It was just a follow up to let Walt take out the bad guys, give the money a shot at getting to his family, and put a final cap on the series with Walt's death.

Jesse needed to get a clean start and Lydia taken out. That's about what I got out of the last episode.

And also the method by which his family gets the money.

Pretty genius.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUownsU on September 30, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
The last episode is about the best way things could have ended for all the main characters, especially Walt.

Marie gets Hank's body back so she can bury her husband.

Skylar finally gets here safety she desperately seeked for her family.

Jesse got to kill Todd with his bare hands and is finally free.

Walt got to avenge Hank's murderers, leave a burden and fear with his old business partners, confess to his wife, see his kids again, secure their future by way more than he originally intended, and he didn't die on cancers terms.

And in Omaha, Nebraska Saul Goodman is selling Cinnabuns at a mall.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: The Six on September 30, 2013, 09:15:59 PM
At least it didn't just cut to black.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Lurking Tiger on September 30, 2013, 09:51:01 PM
At least it didn't just cut to black.

Would have made it a worthless show.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 10, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
Watch this...

http://vimeo.com/76287333 (http://vimeo.com/76287333)

Quote
When Stephen Colbert talked to Vince Gilligan about the song El Paso used in the season finale of Breaking Bad, he asked if Felina was Jesse or the blue meth, and Vince basically said Felina was the blue meth.. Viewed that way, the song El Paso matches up with not only the scene it was used in and the season finale, but the entire series. So I put together the rest of it to the whole song, at least as I saw it, before and after the actual scene from the finale.

Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on October 10, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/s85Xa.png)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 10, 2013, 10:44:21 AM
Uh.....
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on October 10, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
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http://vimeo.com/76287333
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 10, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
Code: [Select]
http://vimeo.com/76287333
Uh......
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUChizad on October 10, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
Uh......
Copy & Paste, McNurra.

The Vimeo video doesn't allow embedding. That was the only way I could post the URL without it automatically embedding.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 10, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
Copy & Paste, McNurra.

The Vimeo video doesn't allow embedding. That was the only way I could post the URL without it automatically embedding.

Ain't nobody got time for that!  I just want to click on something and it work!
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 10, 2013, 01:18:36 PM
Do you know how to post videos to Facebook?
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 10, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
My bad. Click the link, don't click the link.

It's pretty cool though.
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: AUownsU on December 16, 2013, 01:55:04 PM
A little insight into the spinoff Better call Saul.

 http://mashable.com/2013/12/16/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-spinoff-netflix/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link (http://mashable.com/2013/12/16/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-spinoff-netflix/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link)
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: chinook on December 30, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
just finished up.  incredible series.  it left you wanting more...but as all great shows it knows when to end.  cough, cough...walking dead.

fun reading up on this thread. 

townhall had very good analysis with  hits and some misses.

kaos trolls but ends up liking it.  i agree though Sopranos a much better series.

we!!! knows great TV and keeps it real by enjoying it.  thanks.

wes keeps things in line.

gh2001 late to the party and tries to fit in but falls short.

jumbo ...likes traffic lights. 


snags...still has no balls. 
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: Kaos on December 30, 2019, 10:43:30 PM
just finished up.  incredible series.  it left you wanting more...but as all great shows it knows when to end.  cough, cough...walking dead.

fun reading up on this thread. 

townhall had very good analysis with  hits and some misses.

kaos trolls but ends up liking it.  i agree though Sopranos a much better series.

we!!! knows great TV and keeps it real by enjoying it.  thanks.

wes keeps things in line.

gh2001 late to the party and tries to fit in but falls short.

jumbo ...likes traffic lights. 


snags...still has no balls.
As a rebuttal I submit:  El Camino A Breaking Bad Story and Better Call Saul.  
Title: Re: Breaking Bad
Post by: GH2001 on December 31, 2019, 11:03:05 AM
just finished up.  incredible series.  it left you wanting more...but as all great shows it knows when to end.  cough, cough...walking dead.

fun reading up on this thread. 

townhall had very good analysis with  hits and some misses.

kaos trolls but ends up liking it.  i agree though Sopranos a much better series.

we!!! knows great TV and keeps it real by enjoying it.  thanks.

wes keeps things in line.

gh2001 late to the party and tries to fit in but falls short.

jumbo ...likes traffic lights. 


snags...still has no balls.

Late to the party ya say?